What are we doing!? (Little Upsilon)

To all my US citizens. . .

Today has been an emotionally pressing day for me. Not becuase I'm moody, or in need of meds or attention. But for some very simple issues that I think are overlooked everyday in today's world.

After watching many news programs and other media sources on the net and such, I am overwhelmed with a tidal wave of emotions for so much BS in this friggin country its reeks to the High Heavens.

Most disturbing by unimaginable lengths, Children. A documentary on ABC, directly following my favorite program "WipeOut" featured kids, in detention centers. Man WTH, the $%^% is just a tragic mind boggling cluster *^&$ of Parents giving the STATE Property rights over thier children. These Kids don't need to be in jail, or any kind of detention. My biggest fear is that these kind of cruel punishments for our nations youth only serves to make hardened criminals of them. This kills thier self

Americans aren't in control of America, Wendy. These are things nations don't do to themselves. Things like jacking the corp taxes so high that corps leave the country to remain profitable.

The evil men doing these things work for the New World Order and they are nothing short of global fascists. They are eugenicists who believe we are cattle and that they are the ruling class being bred to be a superior species. These men, controlled by the darkest of spiritual forces, are responsible for the poisoning the American population with fluorine compounds that were first introduced by Nazi Germany in concentration camps to alter prisoner behavior. Compounds that are derived from metal refining and the production of material used for nuclear weapons.

America is going to be sheered like a sheep. These same creeps did it to Soviet Union too, they control the monies of the world. The 1929 sheering of America is why I'm at 35% i

I saw a little something on the News last night. An american women saying she was against obamas health reform saying it was like socialism and would take individual freedom away.
Me thinks poor woman has been brain washed with anti-socialism propoganda. How providing health care for the poor takes your freedom away is anyones guess! Sure it might cost you a little, but its just like any other tax.
We in the UK have the NHS and for those who can afford it we have private hospitals aswell.
Now the NHS is not perfect, You wont get the most advanced treatment in the world but who really needs it... a handful of people miss out on the best so the many can access the average. Now you might say what if you are one of those people who need the best... well if you are rich you can go private...if you are not, well lucky you have the NHS to give you the next best thing.
If I trip up and bruise my little finger I can go see a doctor for free... if I

It's not about PROVIDING healthcare, It's about not having to pay for the aging baby boom population which threatens the bottom line of the industry. It's always about the love of money.

Don't fool yourself, when it is worded like the laws that seized the health care industry in Nazi Germany, at the SAME TIME they are seizing the largest corporations in America (just like the Nazis did in Germany)...


You know? If it walks like a duck... and it talks like a duck... what do you think it is?

CT scanners...

America = 32 per million people

England = 8 per million people

Evil people are stupid, they should have degraded the system fist and turned it to crap so it actually did need massive overhaul.

WE DON'T NEED (obama)CHANGE!

Solomon, apart from your first post, I hope you are bing cynical and jokey,

"WE DON'T NEED (obama)CHANGE!"

Yes, we do.

We need change in healthcare, social security, education, etc. but we don't need more government.

My hope is that the capitalists who put Obama in his place have underestimated Obama as a person. And that when they show him the valley of the shadow of death to scare him into doing what they want him to do, he will not only fear no evil, but also be willing to die/sacrifice for the cause of Jesus Christ, our Lord.

If Obama shows us that he is willing to fight capitalist fundamentalisum as well as religious fundamentalisum, we too will make the sacrifices needed to make the change happen. For if our leader can do it then so can the rest of us.
But if he does'nt, the change will either not happen, or it will come from the streets. Which will get very messy indead.
And if that is the case, we all need to start going back to church. For the Church will show us how to fear no evil, giving us the stength to get through what will be a very hard time.

You think there were riots for OJ and Rodney King? I'm sure if anything at all happens to Obama, a new precendent will be set. Riot will be a gross understatement. Not to mention how many nukes I have. . . to put up all the would be vigilantes' arses.

It's "Yes we can!" not "Yes we do!" lol

Wendy I would be interested in some of your reasons why you say we NEED (obama)change.

I see one critical issue that isn't even covered. That issue is supply companies deliberately over charging for goods and services simply because they are going to the medical industry. The entire supply chain is corrupt this way and there needs to be laws put into place to force corps to charge the medical field the same as they charge their non-medical field customers.

If we only did this it would have a dramatic effect on what's really wrong with health care in America, the cost. Beyond the inflated cost, what else is really wrong? Everyone already gets free health care in America. Break your arm, you'll get a cast. Never pay your bill and break your other arm, you'll get a cast. My aunt had cancer, no insurance, she's cancer free, she was treated

Solomon, enough with phrases. Obamacare isn't a relative term in my dictionary. It is a term used by publicans to describe Obama's will to reform healthcare. I will never give you my reasons, becuase other than being proud that your poor grandma made it through our joke of a syste, is not a moral, nor valid reaszoning to NOT want to pass healthcare for anyone. Therefore by saying this, you have dodged my request of "Give me one reason", and without even trying, you throw a company line on the table. It is meaningless hot air. Pointless and nonconstructive.

The one half ass point you did make was the supply chain thing. But what does that have to do with passing the legislation itself? Nothing in reality. So you suggest rahter than focus on this serious legislation, all the lawmakers should begin distorting any false progress percieved to have been made, to undertake debating yet another set of bills, which you think would be neede

Wipe out's cool. Ours is recorded abroad so it does'nt cost so much in insurance I saw one guy run across all those red ball things the other day without falling off. Loved it.
Did you know that one of the reasons why they say some of the third world is failing?
They hav'nt put their women to work# Work force going to waste.
This is why our kids are messed up. No quality time with someone who loves them. If a child does'nt feel love it will never know what it means to love. Add on the fact that alot of the time there is no father to take the strain..........and it's not surprising mother's can end up in a state where they give up.

Fundamental Capitalisum knows no bounderies. Conquer or be conquered. By whom they do not know. But if they don't do it someone else will. Sad.
But not only will they make money from heali

You should be a politician Wendy. Obama could use some of that spin right about now. lol

Obama is doing fine, without me. I haven't found or heard one legit reason yet. I guess I'll stick with Van Jones and agree the republicans are "holes" and Obama isn't. The only spin is on the factor. I do like Bill "O". Despite his political orientation, he remains a half decent reporter, an excelllent entertainer. But Rush, "Beck"istani, and the whole host of looney toon radio show talk host for wink radio, seriously have their heads' securely up their own arses. They spit all the spin in America right now.

Come back Grundy with a real reason too, please, im not making an argument, i'm asking for a legit reason, to say no. Your concious will covict you. You can't lie to yourself. It is way to easy to tell others almost anything. Look at what is being repeated in town halls, SPIN^8

I agree with Wendy: while capitalism is a great system that is dynamic and flexible and creates wealth, "Capitolism kills." The more the government, especially the far-off federal government, mucks around with our lives, from purposelessly starting and extending wars to taxing peoples' incomes to both colluding with some businesses and hampering others, the more we the people tend to get shafted.

The proper question is not "Why shouldn't government get further involved in our health care system?", but "Why should it?" It's already heavily involved, and that involvement contributes heavily to the problems the health care system currently faces.

Why can employers deduct the cost of employee health care from their taxes as an expense, but individuals can't deduct their health insurance costs from their own taxes? Business bids up the price of insurance policies with their relatively healthy workers

Has their ever been an 'efficiently' run government program?

Wendy, the Republican/Democrat thing isn't real.

At least listen to what Governor Ventura has to say 4 minutes and 10 seconds in.

The Obama Deception

The best quotes I heard about the American healthcare reforms have been in direct comparison the the UK's system. The two most notable being,

"The UK government spends $20k per patient per year on healthcare. Go beyond this and They have decided not to pay for anymore. Do you really want to put a price-cap on your healthcare?"

OK then. Two things about that. Firstly, where did they get the figure of $20k from? Secondly, even if it was only $20k, wouldn't that be $20k more than the $0 they spend? 40,000,000 Americans without a means to get healthcare vs 60,000,000 Britons who get it all free? Hmmm... Not the best statement to make.

Then there was a newspaper article I heard about on a discussion program;

"If Steven Hawking had been British then the NHS wouldn't have been able to provide his healthcare and he'd have died long ago."

1. Steven Hawking is British.
2. He owes

have you noticed that many suggest the way to get out of recession is for we consumers to buy more. we need to change our priorities from consumerism to developing social capital (education, infrastructure, job creation in areas like environmentally sane industries, etc.) 60% of the fed budget is for things like ss, medicare, medicaid, interest on debt and 20% is for military. hidden in the other 20% is more military. that doesn't leave much to play with. in order to right the ship we're going to have to cut entitlements and military and then raise taxes on the rich. but all us old people don't want the govt to mess with our medicare and social security. that's got to change. and as far as rationing of healthcare, it's a fact and will be more so in the future. i'm 69 and it's stupid to give people 85 new heart valves or do transplants on them. when it's my time i hope my family says, "he's lived a gr

Wow, this is one of the most interesting conversations I've ever seen on SC...and it was started by a sworn enemy who I unfortunately mostly agree with on this one ;)

WB's 2 cents:
Being the only developed nation in the world that doesn't guarantee healthcare to it's citizens is disgraceful and disgusting. It has been said that capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others and this is true in many ways. One area where capitalism is definitely problematic is healthcare as capitalism essentially requires American corporations to avoid paying for as much as possible in order to turn as large of a profit as possible, this is dangerous and immoral (yes I said it Wendy).

What makes this situation even more ridiculous is the amount of money we currently spend on healthcare while providing the worst outcomes in the industrialized world. France has the #1 ranked healthcare system and they s

he said "sworn enemy" LMAOOOO

don't tell me that was rude and disrespectful.

Thx for your participation on this topic.

Dominican Republic has a better health care system than the US?? Come on, that's ridiculous.

Where would you rather get health care...US, or DR? Think about it.

I'm quite sure that the poorest Americans get health care at least as good as the middle class in DR. Any ranking system that places the US below DR should be viewed with extreme skepticism by any educated, thinking person.

I don't know what world they live in. Again, it is unlawful not to treat anyone that goes to a hospital in America. People being turned away is much worse than the situation we have now. If you're in America walk into ANY V.A. Hospital and tell me you honestly want the rest of the health care in the country to operate like that, talk to some of the veterans there and find out what they think.

LOOK! The friggin economy is collapsing and all the 'leaders' can worry about is another scam to milk more money out of the system and if you think this is anything more than a scam you're fooling yourself. Since when did these men stop loving money? Since when have they stopped screwing us? When have they ever put our interests before those who put them in power and supply their riches?

People are looking at the wool that has been pulled over their eyes and believe they see the world, that's troubling.

I can n

Whiteboy:

"Everyone is so afraid of any government involvement in healthcare, but I'm far more afraid of the private corporations who have no other goal than profit."

Dude, private corporations who have no other goal than profit own your government and evil eugenicists own the private corporations. Oh, and we should stop thinking that all of the men who own these conglomerates are even American.

OH THE FRUSTRATION!!! Am I the only one who sees them taking control of the largest industries in America? Now they're taking the entire health care industry and destroying the private insurance industry in their wake- and here I see those blindly willing to help them.

The US medical system is third world standard. Well it is first of the best if you have money to afford it. Otherwise I could well believe that the US health system is worse than the Domenican Republic for ordinary US Citizens.
A good standard of health is not a priviledge reserved for the rich - it is a right of the nations citizens.
PS I am Australian, we have a system like Jimmy Carter tried to set up, and Barack Obama is trying to introduce. But, we are pulling it down so we will have a shit system - just like the US