Everyone please read and sign if you agree. Then I'll shut up. (White Giant)

June 19, 2009

I attain level 7. It was at this point that I saw the nonexistent development index and started the poll to remove it. This poll passed unanimously but was never acknowledged in any way. Tom neither said it would or would not be removed.

Man of Peace (White Giant)
Friday, June 19, 2009 - 06:34 pm

Could you please ad the Developmental Index to the game, or remove it from the requirements to exceed level 7?

I have attained level 7 and since I have no clue what the Developmental Index is, I can't say what I would score in it. However All I need for level 8 is a few points on my FI and I am there.

If you want to keep players here you should really fix this. With out a goal what is the point?

Respectfully
MoP
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I agree.

MoP Spent time and money and was informed that he had reached level 8. He should get the reward the game told him he would.


IndustMech

I see no reason for extra compensation beyond that which was due for level 7, arrears have been paid. The proper thing to do is sit on your investment for level 8, Player, until it's implemented, it should be soon. (that's what you need to be on GM about, WHEN!) It's proper to wait, what if there is/were more than one person waiting? I see nothing wrong with paying you when everyone can get paid, if they happen to qualify.

I apologize to the GM for my rant on not answering emails in a timely manner, my mistake.

Also GM:
This is another example of the clean up that has to be done on this game, why was he told that he had hit level 8 when he couldn't. Why doesn't that agree with what you claim about the documentation? There are mixed messages Tom. I've ranted about this before... can we FINALLY, please clean it up? FIRST? before you add more stuff that needs fixing?

Nix001.
Come on GM. It's like buying a pair of shoes, getting home and theres only one in the box.

MoP --

I just want to say that despite the GM decision in this case, you should be extremely proud of your accomplishment. Just reaching level 6 myself, I can't imagine the dedication it must have took to reach level 8 requirements.

Also, how long has it been since the developmental index was promised? Weeks? Months? Years? If they aren't going to add it within a reasonable time span they should put in place an alternative way to reach those levels.

GS

@Solomon

"The proper thing to do is sit on your investment for level 8"

The problem with that is it cost lots of gold coins to maintain it. With no reward in sight there is no point.

@GS

Congrats on level 6. That is no easy feat either.

"Also, how long has it been since the developmental index was promised? Weeks? Months? Years? If they aren't going to add it within a reasonable time span they should put in place an alternative way to reach those levels."

Years!!!


Everyone please only post if you agree or disagree.

I am done arguing and have exhausted all alternatives.

I simply want to take a poll here.

Thanks
MoP

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@Solomon

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Thank you for the perspective adjustment Player. It appears that it should be retroactive.



GAMEMASTER??!

Disgruntled,

First, I think the fact that you and so many others can get so upset about a delay in the implementation of a game feature, shows what a quality game sim country is.

Second, your achievement is momentious. I think you are the first to meet the stated requirements (except the non existant developmental index) for level 8. For that, you should feel honored.

These things said, While I do hope the GM works to implement levels 8-10, and fixes the bug for those maintaining at level 7; I would rather this be done correctly than quickly.

Sim country is a complex game and I can see why new features need to be tested, debugged, prioritized, and worked out before they are implemented.

Frankly, you are the only person to reach this level, so (in practice) this is a new issue and I can see that it takes time to work out all the kinks.

What I would like for the GM to do is announce

Agreed, seems like a happy medium.

I have said before that in many ways SC is a beta. As players we need to understand that we are playing a beta version. This is a work in progress. I believe that they have fairly strong ideas on where the want to get to but that they are feeling their way along.

Some of the ideas were simply not workable, such as cashing out an empire. With limited resources that would be a huge drain on future development and simply suicide for the game in the long view.

We also need to be thankful that such a game even exists. Most of the other games that exist out there are simplistic silliness for the Nintendo/Wii crowd with short attention spans.

However, I understand the player frustrations. They bring out new features (space stations) before they fully implement features that already exist (levels) and this can be very frustrating to current players who feel betrayed at times.

Economically, their methods do make s

'Level hounds'

"Some of the ideas were simply not workable, such as cashing out an empire."

I think you couldn't be further off the mark. W3c may not be able to cash out all the empires. But this is where a player community comes in. It is our(Active Players') duty to continue providing a cozy place for new players to settle down and get into loving this game. This will bring in the needed cash for cash outs. New players aspiring to be great presidents will most certainly invest in this game and more directly from buying coins and country along with their assets from players. Or at least that is how it should be.

It seems we are far away from the days of n00b crushing, and now I see alot more new players with bagillions of questions and plenty of motivation. I have also noticed efforts by a few presidents who are active in being available to answer questions in chat.

Another thing I have seen and am guilty of myself is

Now I know why they call you Plato, Plato. lol

I agree, it behaves like a beta. I never thought about the evolution of the game and how that could be hindering it.

I never liked the idea of attempting to harness the 'love of money' attribute in the player base. Ask any reputable game company, money should flow one way. Ideally the players are left to ebay to profit from selling accounts and what other 'e-property' might apply to a particular game.

I do like being able to reduce our game cost to zero, but I do not agree with cash out what so ever. (I'll shut up now, I don't want to start a riot!)

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Player,
Your poll might be better in the public voting. Since I know you just set one up and it won't let you I will do it for you. There's no way we're going to be able to only post our "yes" & "no" here with out this breaking out into conversation.

Thanks Solomon.

I just posted a new poll before I read this.

We can continue to use this thread to debate.

Please limit the new thread to agree or disagree.

Thanks
MoP

There's no way that much information is going to fit, I got rid of every double [enter] only left 3 dash dividers between posts(---), to no avail. If you would like to leave a shorter version here I'll copy and paste it in the Public Voting for you. Leave me a title for it too!


Sol

This is what I just posted on the new thread.


Once again this is only meant to be a poll. If you have any comments or ideas please post them on the other thread.

I have streamlined it to only include what I am really asking. Which is, to make a long story short.

1. If you started a poll in the public voting and it passed unanimously. Then several days afterward...

2. You notice that the nonexistent index that your poll asked to have removed. Was in fact removed.

3. So then you think wow they actually listened to my poll.

4. You work very hard towards attaining the next level which is now very clearly advertised as being attainable.

5. You spend lots of gold coins in the process. Which you would not have otherwise.

6. You attain this very clearly advertised level.
You even receive a message stating that you meet all requirements.

7. You do not receive the very clearly a

Cool it's there. Everyone go vote!

@ Inanna

Cash out is unworkable because, according to the home page the "Fair Market Value" of all assets is about $350,000 US. If they carry that on their balance sheet as a liability, in SC terms salaries would drop to 30, debt would go up and you would have a red box warning about closure.

Right now there are 214 players online (with a minimum cash flow to SC of just over $1000). Even if there are a 1000 players, the income is only about $5000. Development and cash out simply cannot co-exist.

Just compare the off-balance sheet liability to cash people out with the real monthly income possibilities. They do not match. Look at the monthly income and take from it server expenses to see your max development budget.

The point is W3C probably has a tight budget. Just some thoughts.

Well lets try and get it higher than 214, help players protect their investment. And sell them assets in real cash. Coins are sold in RL all the time, and it should continue. I agree with you w3c has a tall order, but seriously, why would anyone who wants to play cash out the game in its' entirety. This isn't realistic. So it may not be the best example. If I could sell 100$ worth of coins to a new player, why would I want to cash out anyway? LoL I'd more than likely rinse and repeat. Wouldn't you? I'm just not hurting for cash in RL so i don't do it. I like the exciting part of the game, like war. Funny, it wasn't always that way.

LoL, it isn't a challenge Plato, no offence, you make a good point.

I agree. If the gamemaster can't keep his word when it comes to fulfilling the promises made within the game then there is really no reason for all of us to continue to pay to play this game.

No. . . !!!

The Levels were clearly not implemented. This was more than clear at the time MOP went for level 8. I am positive he has enough smarts to realize that there was one index missing at the time he went for level 8. I am equally sure he knows that W3c is busy, doing work on other parts of the game, has limited staff, etc etc.

MoP should get level 8 compensation WHEN level 8 is implememnted. Not Level 8 should be implemented as soon as MoP decides he wants to achieve a level that is nonexistant. Gimme a break.

Cut this whiny crap out already. MoP, I could pop up on WG and bring you down to level seven if you'd like. At least this whiny crap could be over with. WAIT until they put the level in.

Matt if you really feel that way, why haven't you quit yet?

I have 6 days left on my membership, so it is time to renew. Another 360 gcs. How should I use them? I know Im going to flip my lid if this kind

Player, Nanna can be beat, here's how!

LoL LoL LoL Solomon. . . Phunny Vid

BTW,

Renewed