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[7:14:45 AM] <gunnysgt7> no lh kb needs you
[7:15:03 AM] <gunnysgt7> a strong & powerful leader
[7:15:07 AM] <zebcarter> afk a bit setting up pp sale
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[7:37:30 AM] <zebcarter> Hi ... so anyone have a creative idea on how to get people to leave my country? I overdid pop purchase, now my indexes are in the toilet ... would tax increase make them leave?
[7:38:03 AM] <tie592> wat country
[7:38:10 AM] <tie592> name
[7:38:35 AM] <zebcarter> LU republic of chiawa
[7:39:09 AM] <tie592> ok hold on so i can look
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I know. This forgiveness thing don't make no sense to me either. I think that's why Islam was created. YOU F&%K UP IN THE EYES OF GOD, YOU PAY FOR IT ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HELL.
This forgiveness, I feel, is why Christianity is so weak. You see, the Bad man wants us to forgive him so he doesn't have to stop or pay for his wrong doings. He can denounce God's will for righteousness and get away with it.

But soon the righteous will rise through despair of what the bad man is getting away with and Good will be all powerful again.

What do you think to Robbie Williams's new song Bodies?

much destructive behavior has been done in the name of religion. this is paradoxical in that the worlds great religions espouse love, compassion, and reconcilation. in spite of this i believe that the message is still relevant. just as science has shed new light on the universe, so Christian theology has shed new light on our relationship with ourselves, others and God. many of the beliefs still hanging around professed are ideas from medieval times that have not changed. this includes the idea that God is like some capricious grandfather, who resides up in the clouds somewhere and parcels out love and punishment on a whim. and there are great differences in interpretation of scripture.
Some things to consider, but not to be taken as dogma:
1. the Bible is both metaphorical and historical.
2. the Judeo Christian Bible is about humanities' relationship with God as both struggle a to find loving devotion to one another and God.
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1. The bible is Non-metaphorical, metaphorical and historical.

2.The Judeo Christian Bible is about humanities reconciliation to God, by God. (The Beatles were wrong Love isn't all we need)

3.Amen Preach it brother!

4. Uh... You're totally off base with this one. There were HUNDREDS of witnesses who PHYSICALLY saw Him raised from the dead.
If it were in a court of law it would be weeks and weeks of witness testimony. Don't you think that with all the people who hated
Him at least one of them would have taken this approach when the claims were initially being made? I wonder why there were none.
(because it was obvious... There He is!)

5. "God didn't sacrifice his only son." Huh?
First I would have you start with the understanding that Jesus Christ is in fact God the Father and the

It does my heart good to see historical, orthodox Christianity defended.

Many "Christians", uncomfortable with the God who has revealed Himself in Scripture, have been reinventing "Christianity" along more acceptable lines, such as "God loves the sinner, and hates the sin." Such useless platitudes separate the sinner from the sin so that sin becomes an exterior problem rather than a deep, inner brokeness.

I wish that people who want to reinvent Christianity and abandon historic orthodoxy would just go ahead and admit that it is a different faith.

I would also like to say to all Christians out there that the Lord, in books like Amos is speaking to the Church about the coming judgment on the people of God for their own personal sin. TOO often we want to apply Scripture to the world and people who do not know the Lord in an hypocritical way that makes us feel better.

If Christians would stop focusin

well, we continue. i imagine we both have had conversations with others concerning the issues herein. because of that my intent is not to convince but to develop a better understanding of one another and possibly involve others in the conversation.
on:
1. my concern with trying to view much of the bible as non-metaphorical is that it requires that one suspend logic and reason. much of the post Christian world views the Bible and the dogma of the Church as irrelevant and superstition. to me metaphor and myth are not about scientific truth, but the deeper messages contained in those stories. Nietzsche and Bonhoffer stated that man has come of age and no longer needs to explain things by calling upon/relying on a prime mover. but to me the opposite is true. in killing God we put ourselves or something else in God's place. Tillich calls god, anything that is "the ground of our being". for you and me, even though we may disagree about

Beware of what you call a Christian. All because you claim it... does not in any way mean you actually are!

since the beginning of the Church there has been disagreement about the dogma of the Church, what books were worthy of being canonized and what factions were to be considered orthodox. that's one reason why today in the US we have thousands of splinter denominations. even within denominations there is dissent about scripture, dogma, and social issues. i believe we see God through different lenses based on our experience of God. if i were to summarize what i believe the kernal of Christianity is, it would be Love God, Love Neighbor. that's what Judaism and Islam also hold to be true. that same theme is also expressed in the other major religions of the world. God reveals God self to me, but my revelation is not the only way, and over time i have come to know God in a deeper more personal way than when i was young. since we are constantly in God's presence a journey of faith can be dynamic, as well as grounded in scripture, tradition, reas

God can be seen thru many different lenses. Just like you can see the world thru many different prescription lenses. Altho, you may not be able to see clearly. The bible is a big book, and it requires study to understand it. Just like anything else. But what I wonder is, does God, the author of this book, agree that it's ok to have so many denominations that disagree about what he has written? Gods word is pretty clear, so is simply humans that confuse the matter?

Sure love of God and neighbor are important to Christianity, but obviously there is more to it than that! Otherwise why is the bible so thick? Those two teaching could be summed up in a short paragraph.

@Serpent. it's thick because it is the unfolding story of the relationship between God and humanity. in the process even God seems to change from being capricious fearful God to a loving graceful God. both humanity and God change as they struggle to maintain and grow that relationship. i would suggest that it was not written by God. it was written by men who interpreted and put down their revelation of God. the fact that humanity has struggled so much with this relationship would indicate our tendency to interpret these events based on our own human inperfection. when the canization of the bible was made in the 2nd through the 4th century there was much disagreement over what books to accept. and through the centuries the scribners, the theologians and the Church interpreted and copied the bible manuscripts in different ways. there are at least 5 interpretations of the atonement and the trinity is a construction by the early church. that doesn'