Jozzi Chat, 10th of January

After a long break, the next and first Jozi Chat of 2010 will occur on the 10th of January, a sunday, on Genie's TNN Simnews IRC server. Coincidently, the first Jozi Chat of 2009 happened on the 10th of January as well.

Jozi is the owner and until some years ago he used to read and post around the forum. So, if you would like to discuss and offer suggestions or report bugs in real time, this is the time to do so.

This meeting will take place at:
- New York: 10am
- Los Angeles: 7am
- London: 3pm
- Amsterdam: 4pm
- Sydney: 2am


This meeting will happen in a IRC server and, as such, you will need an IRC client in order to be present. One of the clients you may use is mIRC or ChatZilla.

Once you have one of the client set-up, in the lower bar, type:
1. /server simnews.mine.nu
2. /join

Good job Laguna.

I'll be sure not to miss this.

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I would like to formally request a proposal to be presented at the Jozi chat:


The Proposal:

When offering a direct contract from a corp to a country (not local or common market contracts, you all know the difference), I would like to see an option to sell products "at cost" or some sort of other discount.


The Reasoning:

My reason for requesting this is a result of the impending implementation of quality for weapons and ammunition. Even in the small-scale upgrades I have started on, 250Q has shown itself to be stupendously expensive. Anticipating this, and also anticipating the fact that conditions on the world market will exacerbate the expense of buying high Q, I have started a modest program in my own CEOs to gradually supply myself with high quality armaments. This also anticipates that less will be needed at high Q, therefore it's more feasible to supply one's self.

Neverthe

I'd also like the issue of WP to be brought up before Jozi once again, especially considering the new "peaceful" game levels. There are several suggestions floating around amongst players that would abandon WP (such as all-or-nothing peaceful & war modes), or that would radically modify WP (such as forfeiting WP across your empire by declaring war on another president).

Logs? I somehow missed it.

I sure am slow, the 10th isn't until tommorow lol.

Timezones can mislead easily.

It's still the 9th for me and you, Wendy. My post says the 10th, but it is on CET (Central European Time). The session will begin at 16:00 (4:00 PM) CET. That is, it will begin in 16 hours.

I will post the logs, of course, when the meeting is finished.

One hour.

7 minutes!!! comon now

Dam i missed it too...i thought it was on the 15th.

Did you see the part where we discussed me kickin your teeth in and you not being able to whine about it? I think that would be the most important part for you to consider.

During the last chat, Jozi promised a reaction on the forum on several issues that were discussed.

This is a bit late but we needed some time to review the consequences of all these features and also, Jozi is overbooked and we had some difficulties scheduling a quick meeting on this. I apologize for the delay.

Peaceful countries and protection from war

When players play the peaceful game, one country if always in secured mode and if there are more countries, they can be protected by the temporary protection feature that requires boosters.

The request was to make the protection simpler or actually cheaper.

There are two problems:
1. You can now easily switch between the two modes and be peaceful or not peaceful any time you want. Specific features for one type of players do not make sense.
2. Peaceful players have an advantage as they do not have any army and no workers tied up in the army and unable to w

wo0t! a 'real' war world....

thanks Tom

Tom - This stuff sounds great for the most part...thx for listening. I'm hoping we can influence one more change to war protection...if not on all worlds then at least on FB.

Currently players are able to keep all of their valuable countries in war protection while using 'worthless' or worth very little c3 countries to cause damage to other people's countries which are not in constant war protection. These c3's can be quite effective because weapons and ammo can be transferred into them from the big/valuable countries quite a bit more quickly than they could purchase themselves. The end result is wars dragging on for real months and months while players 'hide' in war protection waiting for their enemies war protection to drop and then declare on them with c3's.

I'm sure you have heard about this scenario previously but it is really a poor part of the game that causes people to not be willing to neg

The HLW bugs still have not been taken care of no matter how much you think they have been.

I'm thinking you have never embarked on a mass C3 mission WhiteBoy. It takes commitment, patience and more important, Time. Some of us have no intentions of spending loads of money on this game to compete/defend against those who either have more money than sense or those who just have loads of money. C3 warfare is one of the only ways people like me have to hold our own against VISA Warriors.

The retribution is the amount of time spent implementing C3 warfare. As you said. It can take months.

Nix - It is absolutely ridiculous that you believe it is good for the game for people to hide in wp risking none of their assets while destroying other people's assets and hide behind the 'well they spend more money on the game so I'm justified' argument. Plus, wp itself comes with a cost, on most worlds it's the equivalent of ~$460B per real DAY PER COUNTRY on most worlds and $690B for LU...that's alot of GC being spent by people hiding in wp.

Perpetual wp creates the kinds of situations that just occurred on GR and have been going on on FB for months and months now, wars lasting forever with no real purpose other than to destroy other people's countries and assets, waste people's time and keep people from coming to meaningful peace agreements.

As far as what I have or have not done, I was an extremely active participant in the 3M vs NV wars on FB that are still quasi going on today coming up on what 8-9

I have to wholeheartedly disagree WB. Forget the reasons why you attacked several prominent members of the LU community. Lets forget about whatever the justifications were.

Lets focus on why removing the war protection is dangerous. Many people would counter your argument that some players , regardless of how, have amassed nice war slaves and nice assets to fight with. No matter who the victim is, they would would be jumped if they could ever give a good challenge to certain players. With that in mind, now you go and take out Alarich, after 3 of you softened him up. Regardless of how he fought, he would have lost, and if he ever appeared to be able to defeat you, certainly he would have been jumped on by more than you. Then you went on to Aqua who had nothing to take to begin with. Again, this weekend, one player was deprived of an entire empire, by more than three or four players. The excuse was inactivity, but you have made clear in other posts

First, I have no issue with people who want to play the peaceful game and have lobbied heavily on their behalf and believe that I am one of the main voices that has the gm's acting on extended wp for such players...I don't remember a whole bunch of other people arguing for them...not even themselves for the most part. The issue is not peaceful players, I'm all for them enjoying the game in their own way and have declined to go after any of them, I was asked by a long time vet yesterday to hit up a clearly defenseless econ empire for assets...the person was active and I said no...I don't hit active people who are defenseless and minding their own business enjoying the game in their way.

Second, I'm offended by the implication here. On FB I was beat up pretty badly by 3M for the most part, I got in a few licks but I took a lot too...so I'm assuming that's not what you are talking about. On LU, Beast (EO) and I

'All I am asking for is a rule that says if you dec on another player you can not have countries in wp, this will not affect the econ players because they don't dec on other players...'

Sounds fair enough.
What happens if someone attacked my slave, and then sits back and waits for me to not be able to attack one day, which risks the dec running out, allowing them to hide back into war protection?
#cough#Booboo#cough
What I'm saying is, if I'm dec on, would I be able to keep the dec going with another slave and still be able to keep war protection on my main?

I think it is perfectly reasonable to have a 'main' in wp on FB, all other worlds your main is secured anyway and I wouldn't want any changes to those rules. To be honest I could completely see the argument to make this rule for FB only...I'd accept that resolution as well. I would even be reasonable enough to say that any country with a def index less than 200 could remain in wp so that people can protect their econ slaves from war. It really isn't unreasonable when you think about it.

Alternatively, what if air defense in war protected countries could not participate in air defense and you were not allowed to transfer weapons from countries in wp to countries that have active war declarations?

The Welfare Index - promised during the Jozi chat

We have promised to describe the welfare index in more details.

The welfare index depends on several other country indexes and will in most cases have a value range of 50 to 130. In some cases it can have an even higher value.

The welfare index, along with the salary levels is an important factor in the productivity in corporations. The productivity index in corporations can vary by up to 14 points as result of changes in the welfare index and our intention is to gradually increase its influence.

The welfare index depends on the minimum value of the health index, the education index, the transportation index, the employment index + 40, the supply index + 30, the social index + 10 and the salary index. All these values are taken with a minimum of 50 and a maximum of 130.

In addition, the welfare index also depends on the number of population sales by t