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Monday, November 8, 2010 - 05:20 pm  What are the pros & cons of selling SimCountry to a software engineering firm?
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| Monday, November 8, 2010 - 10:54 pm since i don't know what software engineering firms do i can't make an intelligent response to your question. but for some time i've thought that they were in a defensive mode to get SC in a condition to sell to someone. but who wants to buy a Socialistic game that used to have a lot of snap and excitement, that is now dull and lifeless.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 12:14 am Either the company wouldn't make substantial changes and people would still be pissed, or they would make substantial changes and people would miss the old game and be pissed.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 01:00 am YEAH! If you dont like it,you can always LEAVE! BUT somepeople dont why? The makers are trying hard and they do listen to different points of view and if its possible and worthwhile changes will happen in simcountry, BUT there's one change thats happened recently here in simcountry and thats the war levels, people or most of them arn't happy why? they say they cant play as they used too. People ought to remember when simC first started most of the things then, its come along way and still people want even more, sometimes not for the better, pro's and cons of selling Simcountry, The pro's of selling SC HEY JOZZI makes a little profit. The cons of selling SC, some monkey org gets it cheap from there point of view and they aint got a clue, what US THE PLAYERS WANT AND THEY FRAK IT UP EVEN MORE
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 02:57 am This is probably not a good conversation.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 03:09 am The game is far from perfect but it has captured a sizeable chunk of my recreation time....and will continue to do so. I hope the makers of this game ignore this thread. Maestro
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:10 am LOL! You think that if we all think they should sell that they will? We're only sending them a message.
I ask you, who is proving that they don't have a clue? See here: 1. If I get invaded on WG from LU my enemy can produce 200% what I can with the same assets. 2. A new player can NOT choose his/her world or country. I was dumped on WG. Anyone not dumped on LU gets screwed. 3. This new information isn't offered up until you buy in, get dumped on a world, and get to the forum to ask to find out,(good thing I knew to ask) by that time I had invested in two enterprises and sold coin to fund them. A brand new player will invest months of his time and THEN become aware that he's getting screwed. -that's cold 4. To now be able to play on only one world and not be at a severe disadvantage I will have to repurchase my first country when almost everyone else got to CHOOSE theirs for free. The 2 enterprises on WG are no good for LU, that's another 60gc. I also have to live with the faster time which I didn't want to, I'm busy! YEAH! Something's wrong! They must be assuming we all want to make this game into WORK and manage 5 planets? So what? I would have ended up on LU anyway? ...um no. I am frustrated because this was adressed by me to the GM in email and on the forum many months ago when they first announced the expansion and it was ignored/passed over. So, okay, is this the picture of someone in charge who has a clue? (I gave them a clue and they don't have one!) ANYTHING is better than this crap! What are you worried about? Even if new owners are as you discribe that only means it's business as usual.
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Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:18 am
They will.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:28 am They're good for that, hence my frustration. The fact that I emailed my concerns makes it worse.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:53 am I really think they should sell. I think it would be best for everyone. Either that or they find their way... somehow.
A software engineering firm is a 'game company'. Electronic Arts is a software engineering firm.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:56 am No one would buy it. I can't think of any reason why someone who had the money to would want to buy an old, outdated game with few subscribers. Can you? Better to just make their own game.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 08:34 am I know, it's down right sad, isn't it? Then they need to hire software engineers or at least submit themselves to someone who can call the right shots. Maybe they're too emotionally tied to SC. We need to get them counseling! 
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 08:37 am Okay so what do I do? Demand gold and threaten to murder one sim every hour until my demands are met?
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 08:47 am Would that be one sim every LU hour or WG hour? Will you need twice as much gold for LU sims?
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 09:13 am LMAO! (dude I can't afford LU they want 120gc to purchase a country) sigh... I can't believe how much worse it got... They're retarded... It won't sell... I'm out of options. I'm left with recommending full frontal LOBOTOMY (sorry) Too retarded for me... That was the end of Solomon Grundy
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 04:26 pm Solomon if you have 50 coins I can give you a country for free. I'll put it on the CM and Place 50 coins worth of cash in it for you. Maybe a few other goodies to set you off on a good start. Sound good?
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 04:31 pm Just because they don't see things at your own light, it doesn't make them retarded. Although I'm yet to know at which light they see things. And no, this is not a productive conversation. I have already looked into what happened to Simcountry's competitors. It should suffice to say they sold their games only to buy them back or have them closed.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 05:24 pm From what I could tell it's still 30GC to register a new country on a new world. I didn't go all the way through the process, but I don't feel like adding another item to the plate right now. At the moment, 3 is enough.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 06:17 pm Laguna, I agree completely, it's not the fact that they don't see things in my own light that makes them retarded. I see productivity here. If you don't think SC is at risk of being down to a skeleton crew of codependent members in 5 years you're fooling yourself. These problems are part of the cause, or they're the symptoms, either way they need to be brought to light. As a leader in this community I challenge YOU to do more in these matters. This topic gets much attention simply because of the subject matter. Now, I knew you, Laguna, would have a stroke upon seeing the topic, but it's harmless. At what point did the GMs stop being in control? None of us can MAKE them sell. Wendy  Wendy, Wendy, Wendy... You know what? I'm going to hang out because of you. I was going to leave but when I find someone who genuinely puts others before themselves I take notice. So, yes, please do hook me up with a country I guess beyond all the mire and muck it's not "the game" that's important but who we're playing it with. That is if we can dumb ourselves down enough to... (shut up Solomon)
It friggin went up! I won't say it... I won't... even though we all know it is!
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:11 pm lol. Okay give me a few hours to fizzle something meaningful together. I'm going out for a bit.
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| Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 07:16 pm when this noob starts being intelligent let me know
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 05:24 am What noob are you talking about Super?
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:35 am Putting it metaphorically: It might be an interesting show to watch a WWE pro wrestler beat on a circus midget, until it just gets THAT pathetic. "Two finger bodyslam! Yeah! Oh wait... that poor little midget." You have something of any substance soldier?
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:39 am STEP INTO A SLIM JIM! OH YEAH!
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:40 am the person wanting to sell SC i have issues with the game but selling it to a firm to fix the issues is just stupid
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:55 am Yes & No Pros & Cons Tell us why you think so soldier. I'll probably agree. There would be many good and bad things. If it was honestly the only way to fix SC then I would be all for it. Not that it would ever happen, SC is obviously someone's baby. (they are endeared to it) Oh, and take your time Wendy, at your leisure. I'll be here, this week end is fine ;) & thank you. (no sprucing required BTW)
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:04 am lol, ok. I've been half distracted lately.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:46 am Wow okay, new info... If you delete your last country then your next one is free. That's right I just walked on to LU without cost, accidently. I wanted to see what they would charge from that menu after I deleted on WG. I clicked and expected a confimation menu giving me the cost but it simply gave it to me. Apparently if you delete your last country you're good to go. Who knew?! Wendy, would you like to sell for profit instead? Okay GM, you're off the hook... for now. Though I will make you my circus midget if you don't fix what you know is wrong. There's whining and then there's broken.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 02:16 pm SC has become a socialist regime which tries to create a leveling effect for all players but ends up hurting everyone and because it has taken out the challenge of its original intent which was to create wealth, and offer ways to be in relationship with other players primarily based on fear of losing to a rogue war lord. there may be another factor at hand. the world of internet gaming has changed dramatically in the past five years and it may be that the SC concept no longer is competitive with other games. the social atmosphere and the technology may have passed up the SC game which would render it un-marketable. ps--i'm leaving the game at the end of the month. anybody want to buy my account for $100. US. boy, i really gave the game good sales pitch didn't I. lol
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 03:47 pm lol.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:00 pm More new info... Enterprises on WG begin with $500B Enterprises on LU begin with $1T I wonder what the
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:37 pm What kind of population masses are we talkin' Parsifal? ...and why the hell are you abandoning us now?
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:41 pm Yeah, we need people like you to stay, and you just celebrated your B-Day with us. Now I feel like we are losing a Father in the game. Comon hang around with us!
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:42 pm Solomon, I am setting a country up for you now. What continent are you on Currently.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:43 pm NO NO NO! This isn't the "Pros & Cons of YOU selling SimCountry!" I think you misunderstood.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 06:44 pm Centura Donna Region: North Franklin
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:01 pm Excellent.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:35 pm SG--My main is Knights of the Round Table on KB with 70million pop. I have about 4000gc/s and about 130t in weapons. I've been in the game for four years at the end of the month and the game has become too socialistic. Very little challenges are left and there's little incentive to play. I appreciate a lot of the "remaining" players, but that's not enough to keep me involved.
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 08:51 pm Damnit!
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| Wednesday, November 10, 2010 - 09:15 pm Sorry gang.
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 07:42 am I'm sorry too... I've been a bit hard on the Gamemasters. My 'in your face' approach is really only an attempt to shock you forward and I'm sorry.(please excuse the cattle prod) We, the players, need you to finish what you start and realize that when something isn't working properly it needs immediate attention. Up to and including it's removal if it's intended purpose(s) isn't met. When things get ignored(or even if it just looks that way) it gives the impression of a game owner who's out of touch, not interested or doesn't care. Not that they don't care or they aren't interested only that's the impression it leaves. Since I have your attention will you please change the space graphic on the SimCountry Portal? Honestly? It looks bad. The ship looks like it's from the 1980's arcade game Asteroids. It gives a devalued impression of SC. Makes it look cheap. How about a still shot of a space shuttle launch or something? Thank you for your patience and consideration. (and don't think I wasn't serious about the circus midget thing!)
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 08:04 am Thanks for the info Parsifal. The coins make me drool but KB is a bit out of my way. You know? how about leave of absence? You have a pile of gold there, sit on it for a year... two... pop back in, in say 8-10 months and see if our heads have exploded yet or what. Then if you decide to return you're not in my boat, starting from scratch.
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 02:06 pm SG- I've been downsizing for about 6months going from two CEO's to -0-, and ten countries to 4 and 8000gcs to 4000. So, i've been taking a very passive position and things have continued to deteriorate. I guess i'm spoiled from the old days when we could amass a lot of wealth with little effort. Now you can't amass a little wealth with a lot of effort. I was hoping the GM would make the C3 war effort more appealing but it seems to be a step backwards and towards more control. The new game rules make me see why Socialism makes economies so lethargic, stiffeling competition and creativity. Only the GM can tell whether the bottom line and internals are better, but from the looks of things by players it seems dramatically worse.
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 05:06 pm Maybe it's simply time for a new approach. First, I know for a fact that our higest ranking players don't squeeze as much as they can out of their empires. I know this because I can still rank with them with 2/3 their population which means they could be setting things up better. Yeah, I think the GMs may have spoiled us a little. 8K is a boat load of gold. Look dude, this game is flexable. Change your approach. You've reached the penicle of your economic sucess so change your goal, break out and start something new. The bottom line is that we're here to have fun. If building wealth is how you have fun, great! but when it wears off simply change your approach. It really is wide open. "What are we going to do tonight Brain?" "Same thing we do every night Pinky, try and take over the world!"
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 05:31 pm "The Emporess needs a new name"
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 08:06 pm and how do you have fun? on SC that is. lol
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| Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 11:19 pm Does my post sound like a stroke to you? It surely puts things into perspective. When I started, there were only a couple of registered countries in my continent. There were far fewer players than today and membership wasn't mandatory. It survived well to 2008 and to this day. This talk of selling the game was very common as well. Even so, as one can see today, nothing was achieved. I've tried to help this game. But when my words fall on deaf ears, that's when I silence myself. Besides, whatever I may have to say now is in no way different from what I said last time. I'm not going to repeat myself just to be ignored. In the meantime, my efforts are better spent in civil society. It's easier to change the world for better than to change this game in any meaningful way.
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Friday, November 12, 2010 - 07:18 am
Themes & roll paying. Themes especially. One of the draw backs here is the lack of possible creativity. Post a pic or 2 and that's it. Most of our creativity is off site, that's a shame. The church of sim country is a theme. New Little Upsilon Order was a theme. Not just a fed , a cultured theme. (even though NLUO was pretty crazy) Over all our community has always been weak in this area but it really does generate alot of fun if you have creative friends. (so did the crying little girl work on ya?)
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| Friday, November 12, 2010 - 11:33 am Laguna, Why don't you just go away. I ask you this about one time each year and you don't go away and you keep coming every day. The only things you have to say are not helping anyone. "Put the war engine into the bin" is one of your famous contributions. nobody even stops to react on it. you don't say anything positive, ever, and you never quit. You are sure that you have all the wisdom so why don't you go away, and join Adam Velma and together, in 6 months, make a much better game. you can't. words only and worthless at that. As I remember, your main income is interest on money you made in the past, before they plugged some loop holes. I am sure nothing changed. You want to make the impression of a great player but subtract the interest and I am not sure you are doing that good at all. I play many years, on and off, and although I see mistakes they make, the game is better now than before. There are many who love it and many who do not a leave and there are some who obviously love it, but feel free to spread nonesense and never say a good word. like you. I see the game news, some good developments recently but no word form the wise forum members. just crying and complaining on the one detail that they don't like or just following the crowed. I am sure the game will be much better off without you.
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| Friday, November 12, 2010 - 07:38 pm Whew... wow... Are we being a Negative Nelly Laguna? lol I said I knew... meaning in advance. It's just you spoke up. I never thought for a minute that you'd come the forum and say: "OMG!! NO! don't sell SC! I'm a moderator can't you see that?! I'm in with the big dogs... don't screw with the program! New owners might not give me attention!" LOL (I'm pokin fun at ya) No, quite the contrary, I totally expected a well formulated argument to be posted about 20 minutes after the left side of your face started to sag.
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| Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 01:02 am SG- she's cute. i've reinvented myself at least three times in my life, so maybe i'll reconsider and try to come up with something of interest. i can always pontificate as in "Aristotle on Politics". but i sometimes take myself too seriously. I believe that my life is broken into seven year cycles and that these nodal points require a reappraisal of where one is in their life. So, at 70, i'm reevaluating. But technology is kind blurry. I can't even get my messages off my cell phone.lol
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| Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 01:15 am Drop the facade, Romeo. Deceit is despicable and pathetic when obvious. Yours is particularly poor tasting. You read what you wanted, not what I wrote. Ergo, your post does not deserve a response, but I will take it as a cue to rant on. Sociologists always agree that a fundamental difference between modern and traditional society is the increasing degrees of complexity that appear and settle in. As one wouldn't say a city is necessarily better over a village, one cannot say a more complex game is necessarily better over a simpler one. Proof: Tetris > Simcountry There are mistakes that are simply pathetic, Romeo. I don't even know why you chose that name. Yes, Solomon, I too knew I would reply to a topic on this forum. Amazing.
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| Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 02:02 am -2 points Romeo, I smell a hint of jealousy. What a passionate post. Lol I remember, Laguna's "I don't want you gone Romeo, I want you *GONE* gone" post. Didn't know what you did to piss him off at the time, but I see the passionate discourse hasn't subsided. With an objective eye, I disagree with you, LG can be quite helpful and PRACTICAL among other things. Many of the game's changes are impractical. It is natural to show some dissent once in a while. Especially when it is warranted.
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| Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 06:12 am lol hey don't blink again Parisfal! I have things formulating myself Parsifal but I'm not sure that there'll be enough players around to do what I have in mind. So keep in mind that if you happen to come up with something you'd like to go with give me a hollar and run it by me, I'm not tied to anything right now. If I end up in a more extensive planning phase for what I have brewing you are definately someone I'll be in touch with.
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