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W3C - Game News Nov. 19 - Free Members (Little Upsilon)

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Tom Willard (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 14:20Link
Unlimited Free Membership

Simcountry now allows free membership for an unlimited period. Players can decide to play for free or become full members.

Free membership allows players to use nearly all functions in Simcountry but several limitations apply.

Free members cannot receive Gold coin awards, new level awards or obtain gold coins in any other way. Free members are limited to game levels 1, 2 and 3. There are limitations in the use of space functions and the production of nuclear weapons.

A detailed document, explaining Full and free memberships and the free membership limitations is available under the Memberships menu option on the home page.

Free membership is now part of Simcountry
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Psycho_Honey

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 15:27Link
Ah. Great Question here Tom.

If a promoting member's link directs a prospective new join to simcountry, but he/she clicks on the free membership instead of paid membership, will we be credited for that?

How long will they be tracked so that we receive credit if they eventually join we will get a promotion credit?

Also about some limitations. I have a problem with they are now, not sure how many others feel, but I will voice a few concerns nonetheless.

War levels, I don't think it would be appropriate for free members to engage in war of any kind against paying members.
I do not think they should be able to produce contracts for direct trade, nor join federations and provide air defense to paying members.
Maybe their war accounts would be subject war declarations by only free members.

I say this because I think their is a conflict of interest when we allow non playing players to offer material
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Tom Willard

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 16:05Link
Promoting members receive $ 6 when a reffered member is paying for the first time. there is no time limitation.

this remains the same. in the previous situation, players rarely started full membership. They tried out for some time and then decided.

now, they will do the same and decide to go for full membership or purchase gold coins.

in both cases, the promoting member will receive the payment.

On the limitations:

these are in general similar to the limitation of current new members only the free members have no way of winning gold coins.

New players have never been a threat to full members and will not be able to do anything serious with their limited army.

putting all new members on a single world would be nice for a start.
after some time, many will become full members and we will not have a free members only world any more. In the mean time, no one will join the other worlds as all new
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Scarlet

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 17:30Link
Tom, I was wondering if you had an end date for the recent round of major changes.

All I'm doing right now is waiting. There's no point in planning anything if everything can change in a major way tomorrow. I need at least a stable environment to work.
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Zeba (Golden Rainbow)

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 17:59Link
If a full member wanted to take advantage of the Free membership and they already had gold coins, would they lose the GC's they had...and / or would they be able to use them?
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Solomon Grundy (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 18:09Link
I believe the idea here is to have a new player not be locked out of their account or be ejected from the game entirely because they are unable or unwilling, for what ever reason, to become a full member.

I believe the idea is to eventually bring them all into full membership, so I would absolutely not support a planet all to themselves where people play for free in near purfect comfort never enticed to expand their horizons with new game features or a situation that makes it very easy to live without them.

I believe the cut off time was far too short. The thing that glues people into this community is the community itself and it literally took me months and months when I first arrived to realize that there was this kind of dialogue going on in SC.

Players start out very islolated and that is a counter-incentive to paying the same amount(or more) for a game that obviously doesn't compete with the bang up graphics, a
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Solomon Grundy (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 18:19Link
lol I'm waiting too Scarlet...

Lets see, I'm in the middle of waiting 45 days to put corps in player countries with my CEO.

...and because I just bought a country I'm waiting 'til Christmas to build my countries up, because if I level in the next month I won't get coins lol. So you aint the only one!(it's almost an inactivity incentive :/ )

~BTW it's not unstable to have a bunch of new players in your face, joining your fed, buying your goods ;) this will ramp our membership up over time.

Actually it's a bull's eye by the GM. Especially not allowing them into federations.(Kudos to Wendy) This means when I meet a non paying member that I would like to recruit into my fed I explain to him that it requires full membership but not to worry because we have folks in our fed that will help make sure he/she won't keep paying. SOLD! Brilliant... Score! Good job Wend
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 18:42Link
Yeah I like that idea Solomon.


And Tom to clarify, direct war isn't really my concern as much as a new non paying member having 5 or 6 countries and throwing up 40 or more wings per country and offering air defense to a real paying member. Those countries with added air defense can become a real problem, this can be exploited in many different scenarios and we should take precautions to avoid it. By keeping fed membership restricted to full members we would do away with the problem altogether.
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Laguna

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 19:07Link
What I like the most is the new button.
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Border C

All worlds
19 Nov 2010 23:49Link
I'm glad to see this. I'll probably continue to pay simply because I don't mind "donating" the money for this game. But, it the price has definitely kept this game from growing in the recent years.

Also, Wendy makes a good point, but I think some effort needs to be made to stop multis - period.

Really, if you guys could significantly improve the UI, I wouldn't mind if you would host advertisements to make more money.
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Laguna

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 00:24Link
I hope you guys did some really good advertising a week ago, to rip the full benefits of this change now. At the very least, start advertising now.

I do like the new button though.
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Jiang Hu Warrior (Kebir Blue)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 01:13Link
yeah buttons are good, as for multies or multi players the game master should ban them for ever , jeez wendy better get HIS accounts in order haha
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 04:00Link
chiwoo, something tells me you have some free time. lets see what I can conjure up.
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Solomon Grundy

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 05:55Link
Wendy? Heck Elavia/Xaladin are the most sucessful ever. Even if both of them are really real, it's still a multi, off of the same IP.
(no offense guys, you know I don't believe you're real lol)


Hmm, so if I have 5 kids I can just sign each of them up and have 5 accounts because my 5 kids are real?

They allow it for some, allow it for all. As long as they are not free accounts I say let them eat cake.

I have multi-ed in the past for no other reason than easy worker availability. This time I chose not to because I want my achievements to be more meaningful. 'Cheating' ruins that for me. For the naive... most players do.
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Parsifal (Kebir Blue)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 15:07Link
i think this change can have some real benefits. i welcome it and look forward to future tweekings of it. it should make a difference in the number of players in the game.

good show GM
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Border C

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 15:52Link
lol.... just saw the new button. it kinda sticks out
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SuperSoldierRCP (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 19:33Link
can commenting on the forums be for full member. Think of how many noobs will spam the forums with the same question every 10mins
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Parsifal (Kebir Blue)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 20:20Link
yes, let's keep this a closed little club. lol
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Søren (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 21:27Link
Are you kidding me? The forums need more activity. Not to mention the added knowledge base and community will help keep the new players around + encourage them to upgrade.

I still think it's a bad idea that new players have to wait before viewing the forums. Maybe restrict posting for 2-3 days, but everyone with an account should be allowed to view.
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Parsifal

All worlds
20 Nov 2010 22:20Link
Soren--if you mean me, yes, i'm kidding. we need more input and participation.
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
21 Nov 2010 01:30Link
lol. W@e don't need more newbie like Super asking to nuke forts do we ? cOmOn!!

Imagine what I would do with that!
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SuperSoldierRCP (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
21 Nov 2010 01:47Link
Wendy why u whining I'm giving u business lol

My point is let them be able to view the forum, they can still read issues and everything just not comment. Theres always someone in the chatroom willing to help. My only issue is the forum would be being spammed daily with the same comments. Making it harder for us to address or find threads of real importance.
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
21 Nov 2010 02:23Link
Joking yeah, whining? No. Not saying or being mean, I would bet a majority of the players that play would put you in the same category you are placing new players. This is a conversation board, not the 'joy luck' club. Everyone who plays has a right to use the board and speak. This is why we all get a turn at Jozi chats.
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White Darkness (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
21 Nov 2010 20:29Link
Let them make comments. Let them come into chat.
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Keto (Little Upsilon)

All worlds
22 Nov 2010 02:50Link
I agree WD, chat is the one way for new players to meet the veteran players and learn a thing or two