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Religious Discussion!!!

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Solomon Grundy

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26 Nov 2010 17:53Link
It's too bad only the edited version is available. I'm shocked that CNN would post this. How they decided to name it "Was Jesus a communist or a capitalist?" is beyond me. It has absolutely nothing to do with either ideology.

It hits the nail on the head and it probably is the "silver buckshot" this country needs to kill this beast. They didn't get it exact though, it is to love your neighbor as yourself. Now I've thought this one through in the past and I've determined what it means for me.

Example:

Paul: a guy we all grew up with that is irresponsible, doesn't hold a job and generally uses others around him to get by in life.

This means that when Paul wants a ride to the store for beer my attitude needs to be the same as if it were me, myself, wanting to go... AND THAT'S NOT EASY!
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Serpent (Little Upsilon)

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26 Nov 2010 18:06Link
There is absolutly nothing wrong with charity. But maybe you have heard the saying that you CANT help somebody who will not HELP themselves. That is the problem we have today with charity. Not everybody deserves charity. Charity is just a temporary fix, not a solution. Each individual person is responsible for the SOLUTION to their problems or issues.

Otherwise you get people who begin to depend on charity. They will say 'I have a 'right' to a home, YOU provide it for me. I have a 'right' to a good education, YOU provide it for me. I have a 'right' to helth care, YOU provide it for me. I have a 'right' to a good paying job, YOU provide it for me.... etc.... This is where we are at in regards to charity. They do have a 'right' to those things, they have the 'right' to provide it for themselves.

In your example about 'Paul' who uses ppl around him to get by in life, is it really a
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Psycho_Honey (Golden Rainbow)

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26 Nov 2010 19:04Link
NO NO NO nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Parsifal (Kebir Blue)

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26 Nov 2010 19:52Link
I agree with SG that the name of the piece is completely wrong. But i guess they want readership.

Jesus meets a man by the pool who is an invalid and has had his friends carry him there daily to be healed. Jesus comes to the pool and heals the man, but then he says, "pick up your mat and go" (paraphrase). To me that's indicative that people need the healing hand of charity etc. but then they need to help themselves. I work with an organization that has as it's Iron Rule, "never do for others what they can do for themselves". As we interpret that, it means that we should help provide the means for a person to advocate and help themselves. This is most often through organizing with others to bring about change.

But we often are more willing to give a check or a hot lunch or some old clothes, but if the person says, will you help me change the system that keeps me oppressed, we pull back. It's
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Scarlet (Little Upsilon)

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27 Nov 2010 03:11Link
"Paul" would not get a ride to the store to buy beer. If I am to treat him as myself, I would not drive myself to the store to buy beer because I do not buy alcohol any longer.

If there is a qualified applicant who has done everything right the first time, is it doing him justice to hire the less qualified applicant that screwed up and is looking for a second chance? That is a more difficult question or an easier one, depending on your perspective.

As far as my opinion, I have absolutely no problem with charity... so long as it is always voluntary. EDIT: The only difference between a capitalist or a socialist viewpoint is whether this charity is voluntary.
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Maestro2000

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27 Nov 2010 04:22Link
I'm not interest in a religious discussion.

but...

I'd like some free beer or for a nominal GC charge a six of Bud.
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Parsifal (Kebir Blue)

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27 Nov 2010 04:29Link
give him cake
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Psycho_Honey (Little Upsilon)

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27 Nov 2010 16:51Link
Yellow Cake :O