Should This Be Allowed?

Hi, this is Jan, formerly known as KissOfDeath, and I am appealing to the Sim Community to speak out on this issue and voice to the Game Master as to whether this should be tolerated within the game.

As all of you are aware, I have no respect for a certain player in this game - WildEyes/BaneSlayerAngel/BrokenAmbitions (whatever name you like to think of her as ). She and I have had an ongoing fight in this game for some time now, and there has been quite a bit of bashing/name calling and idiocy. I also know that my game behavior is not exempt, in light of me holding my friend's (Blueserpent) account 'hostage' because he and I had a fight over this very player and her implicating him in some nasty game antics.

However in spite of this, I think that threats in the chat room that goes outside the game should not be condoned and supported by this game nor its community, especially when it openly discloses where t

Perfect example of 'Spin'.

Did I ever say threats were 'acceptable' and 'justifiable'? Or..... did I say that things like threats happen online everyday, and there is not much anybody can do about it? Maybe you can go back in your chat logs, look and see, and correct your statement.

I don't mind if you quote me, cause I say what I mean and I mean what I say, but please make sure it is true.

Serpent, I believe you condone it by passing it off as a joke or inconsequential. Your failure to take a player to task, your fedmate, implies you support her behavior. So if you find this behavior wrong, then I would like for you to state so clearly here in this forum. There is something that can be done about it from a game standpoint. The Game Masters can take control of their game and take a stance on it. In my real life, legal action will ensue should something occur. So, my dear, yes, something can be done about it. :-) Oh and more accurately, I did not quote you or I would have used quotation marks. I paraphrased and summed it up.

Just so everyone isn't confused, I'm WildEyes and she is wild_eyes_wannabe.

If Jozi feels the need, he's welcome to ban me from chat/forums...

Quote:
"I have taken the opportunity to discuss the issue with some players in the game, and not to my surprise, those who play the game fairly said the action is UNCALLED for and should be reported to the GMs."

the issues with some players in the game..so it's a game chat, not a chat room, you quit the game, and now all you do is come in on about 100 different nicks and cause havoc with everyone...

When you aren't ruffling my fathers, I'm there helping new players, and answering questions.

Perhaps you should steal another account so you can actually play.

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To correct a couple of her statements,

She is WildEyes and wild_eyes_wannabe is a friend of mine and not I. Good job, Jess. Another correction, I have ONLY caused havoc with you and have addressed only those who choose to get involved, such as Keto and Serpent. I have no issues with any other player in this game. I don't agree with how you play the game, but to each their own. But the issue I have, which I find valid is you violating my right to privacy. I believe I have a legitamate stance on that one.

So color coat it as you will. Your action was wrong.

Oh and lastly, I did not "steal" Rob's account. He gave me his PW a long time ago. So I find your word choice laughable. Had I wanted to steal anything, it would have been obtained for material gain as I had the account for more than 24 hours and access to it for about a year. He got it back untouched. Wanna know why? He and I were friends. You screwe

Oh, so now its no longer Serpent said 'this' or Serpent said 'that'... now it's a matter of how you 'interpret' what I said.

If you want me to state what I think about threats and such things that need to happen in chat... then here it is: (And you can quote me on this)

"1. I do not think its a good idea to make threats to anybody in this game.
2. I think that everybody should use appropriate language.
3. If you are in school and play this game, make sure its only done after your homework is completed, then you need to be in bed no later than 9:00pm so that you are not to tired to learn.
4. Although a little bit of trash talk is fun and can be enjoyable, don't take it to far.
5. If you hurt somebody's feelings then say 'I'm sorry'.
6. Always say please and Thank you when somebody offers you help or advice.
And by all means...
7. 'Love the N

Lol, wrong or right..I couldn't care less. If you poke and prod at a Bull..you are going to get the horns, I vent on you maybe once every month or so, the rest of the month, is filled with snide remarks, unlike you, i dont get hung up on chat drama. It's a game. I could careless with how you feel about how I played/play the game.

Point and case: It's a game, a game in which you don't play anymore. Jozi is welcome to ban me from chat as I said if my actions aren't ' justified '

But then again, there is no plee for taking a friends account.. But as I said, right or wrong i couldn't care less.

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Serpent, I said I did not quote you verbatim. If I had, there would have been quotation marks around that statement. I merely did as all writers do, summarize the outcome of a conversation.

I agree with all your points, 1 thru 7. Well said.

As for drama, nah, this isn't game related or for a dramatic effect. I'm dead serious about my complaint here. It should not be allowed to happen.

Jess, I'm sorry, I wouldn't expect you to say anything but. lol Furthermore, if you had been on ignore, you wouldn't have made such lovely conversation in response to my friend. :-)

Anyways, this is my last post. The issue is on the table. I'm not arguing it any more. I don't have to. Just think the GMs should clean up the chat and the forums and enforce the rules and regulations. Is that too much to ask???? Why does that upset you, Serpent and Keto??? Hmmmm perhaps because ya'll are the ones who abuse the game?????

As for whether you play the game or no? I don't care. But, I don't think this form of "play" should be tolerated. You want to call me names, threaten to kill me, my friends in game or whatever, FINE, but you have NO right to post my personal information in a public forum.

Oh I play the game. I have a country. :-) I look at it daily.

All my best,

If this isn't sim-war, sim-politics, or sim-econ, I'm staying out of it. Leave me alone. I don't want to be involved. I'm here to play a game. I'm not here for personal issues that aren't game-related.

With all due respect, then don't involve yourself in the future, Scarlet. You chose to butt in and offer your two cents. Your wish to remain neutral is well noted.

He does that a lot Kissi. That is why I'm going to kick hes pansy arse when he ever goes to level 3.

Apparently this type of behavior is allowed, as the GMs don't even have the decency to reply to my complaint and apparently the Sim Community doesn't seem too concerned. As such, I am withdrawing from this game.

GMs, you need to clean up your game. I have never seen such poor management of an online game or the handling of complaints. Two weeks or more is ridiculous for a response. I'm still waiting to hear back. This puts forth the message that you are partial to certain players and "ignore" situations. Not a very good business practice. Furthermore, interesting that players know you by name. Most online games, the "owners" do not play or interact with the players, so to speak. Big potential for unfairness and conflicts of interest.

Just my thoughts. Wish you well. You lost a 4-year paying customer.

So, wait.

"Blueserpent told me he asked where the information was obtained and the information supposedly was obtained from research on my employer's website."

Isn't that the exact opposite of an invasion or privacy? You know... when you look at publicly available information?

There are two issues here.

The first is the threats. Did they or did they not take place? It's very difficult for uninvolved players to be sure what actually happened. Jan posted a conversation from chat. Did it take place exactly as posted? Did she edit it? The only people who know for sure are the GMs ... assuming they log the traffic in that much detail. We, as players, can't know. Maybe even the GMs don't.

Secondly, a threat is a threat and an action is an action. Many people say silly things in the heat of the moment. Do they follow-through? Sometimes. Sometimes it's just a game of psychology ... who can intimidate the other the most. Sad that they need to, but unfortunately some people like to win status games by dragging the other person down, rather than building themselves up. Be that as it may, I'm in the UK and, here, the CPS tend to wait until someone actually does something before they will ta

Exactly Jo. This is just a game and should be treated as such. What has happened here could be very serious and has got carried away. I myself would be scarred out of my wits if someone got a hold of my personal information. This is bordering on identity theft.

I believe you all have missed the point entirely. I don't know who this girl is... whether her threats are just hot air or what. Personally, I think she is all hot air, but from my experiences, she's a nut job and that is what several players have told me, so I don't know what she is capable of or no. I don't know who she is outside this game. I don't know who anyone is outside this game, their character. I don't know that 5 months down the road something might result from this. Who knows.

My gripe is she had no right to post in a public forum the name of my workplace for anyone to have easy access to my real life. THAT is not public record, Pink Floyd (Soren), friend of WildEyes that you are. So by your argument, that gives me the right to take any one of your names, research you and post your private information in public chat. For example, I know Serpent's full name, the city he lives in, and the ty

Is this for real or is this just some insane set-up for an awesome April Fools joke in a few weeks?

You dont know my middle name!

Serpent, you just don't know to what lengths I would go at this stage of my vegan life for that steak dinner! :-P For the record, I would never do that to you or anyone.

Well BC, I think the Sim Community sees it as a joke. I however do not. You all just get a laugh over it, because you don't like me in the game, and that is okay. If it had happened to another player in this game, I'm sure your attitudes would be a lot different.

It really doesn't matter any more, because I'm dropping my complaint and have withdrawn from the game. No need for future posts for my benefit, for I won't be around to read them.

If someone knows your name, then they can google it.

If google turns up your personal information, then it is in all likelihood already in the public domain.

Your employer listing you on their website is an example of this. It's your own responsibility who knows what about you and what information is out there. Unless actual private information was accessed, nothing "wrong" occurred, and you're just being butthurt.

Have fun with your most recent withdrawal from the game. I'll see you when you come back.

Speaking of ButtHurtz ,You might not have such a loud mouth by then floyd.

Are you threatening my 1's and 0's?

Threats no, promises...always. I won't disappoint. I was never fond of legends and fairy tales.

Should this be allowed? I'll say no. Keep your real life and your game life separate.

Don't use (real life) info as leverage (in a game). There's a word to describe such an action: pathetic.