What the FUCK is wrong with the Christians? (Kebir Blue)

John 6:37
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.� (ESV)

Romans 15:7 “Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.� (NASB)

“‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Can somebody explain this? Christianity was founded on the principles of acceptance and love for all mankind, but throughout the bible there are passages saying that not only is homosexuality an abomination, but anyone who fucks someone of the same sex should be killed. By stoning, I believe. WHAT? THE? FUCK? There are probably hundreds more examples.

"While the Synoptic Gospels tell of Jesus quoting part of Leviticus 19:18 as the second greatest commandment, most Christians believe much of the stipulations in Leviticus have been superseded by the New Covenant while some Protestants believe they've been abrogated and replaced with the Law of Christ. Christians who claim the necessity of obedience to the Mosaic Laws which are found in the first five books of the Christian Old Testament are referred to as Judaizers.[41] Conservative Christians also believe that the ban on homosexual activity in Leviticus 18 and the New Testament still applies to Christians today."

How convenient that the contents of the bible can be bent and interpreted as one choses. So the heterosexuals conveniently dropped all the "laws" that restrained their own lifestyle, while the "laws" pertaining to homosexuals are still considered valid today. That's one of the reasons why I dislike (most) religions. They are used to justify discrimination against others and are changed and reinterpreted to fit the needs of the heterosexual majority.

I'm surprised Double-Bob is allowed continue to posting like this unabated.

I will not make religious post on the simcountry board. (Pro or con)

It's not game related.

But, I will make an exception for karaoke.

There is an Elvis in everyone here.

Cheers,

Maestro

Obviously there's a lot of disagreement among Christians around the issue of homosexuality. If you believe as I do that Mosaic law was Israels understanding of God's law and that it's necessary to look at scripture as an evolving understanding of God's will then things like homosexuality, poligamy, dietary laws, become less important than the call for persons to show compassion for one another and to obey God's law, which may be beyond the laws written down by man. As you will note, Jesus never mentioned homosexuality and often went against the prevailing laws of the priests. His call was to obey God's law which was beyound man's law and to show compassion for one another. His call is more important than ever as humanity bumps elbows with one another. The question that Jesus asks even today, is "how will we live together".. Interestingly, this is the same question asked by all the great leaders of the worlds religions. It's not just about the hereafter; it's about the here and now.

It's not just homosexuality. Gender and race were common targets, but with the civil rights act, all they can do now is yell at homosexuals, anyone who has ever had anything to do with any abortion at all, and other religions. I was bullied in the third grade because I was, and am, an atheist. The THIRD. GRADE. If that doesn't tell you something, then it'll take a sledgehammer to pound the evidence into you.

Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

From what I make of the last line, that's basically saying that anyone who talks about the ideals of another religion and agrees with them will go to hell. That doesn't seem very tolerant to me.

John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

See, by that, I'm going to Hell. Just because I don't believe in all the Christian magic mumbo-jumbo. And you know, I bet that if you ask a Christian fuck (not every christian, just the ones who bring religion into everything- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=christian%20fuck) if their parents were also super religious, they'll say yes. And brainwashing can go the opposite way, being brainwashed into not believing. I myself wasn't brainwashed, I choose to be atheist because I don't see any evidence. Sending someone to hell because they were brainwashed? WHAT. THE. FUCK?

I'm impressed that for an athiest you are so well informed about the bible. As a Christian i won't try and defend those who abuse religion whatever their brand is. I'm sorry you were abused as a child. that's not right. for me, Jesus was a revolutionary who showed humanity a different way to live. and part of that is to Love God and Love Neighbor. he showed us that we're not in charge, that the Law is there for us to accept or deny, to understand or to misinterpret. i ask you not to get hung up on certain verses like those who you condemn and who would condemn you. as you might guess, i am not a literalist. i see God's blessings in every form of life and in the possibility of Grace in all human experiences and relationships.
as a twenty first century man i have to de-mythologize scripture that was written by people seeking to understand their relationship to their environment and to gods/ God. my interpretation and understanding is incomplete and probably somewhat inaccurate, but it is the basis on whih i try to live my life.

and without that all i've got left is FUCKING

People of all religions - even atheists - are capable of being assholes who bring religion into everything. BBJBS brought up the dichotomy between the New Testament and Old.

My concern was not with the subject matter, but rather with the language that was and is always used by Double-Bob to add spice to the topic. For the record.

@Pars, I wasn't abused in any way as a child, and don't make insinuations about the parenting skills of people who you have never met. I agree, Jesus was a good person, and I agree with his ideals, I just don't believe in the existence of god. I see no evidence and never had. If Christianity didn't have the God/resurrection/water into wine bullcrap, I might be able to get into it. But if it doesn't have magical bullshit, it isn't considered religion, is it?
@Psycho: I'm sorry, I'll try to cut back on the language. And I was lying.

i was referring to your comment that you were bullied for being an athiest in the third grade. i stand corrected about the use of the word 'abused'. But to me being bullied by children or anyone is abuse.

if by God you mean an old man up in the sky with a beard controlling everything, i don't believe in that either. that's very limiting. it's impossible to grasp that which is both the creator and sustainer. for me God is "the way things are" and "the passingness of all things". but even those definitions are limiting.

as far as "magical bullshit", how about mystical wonder. to me life itself is a wonder and a mystery. every day i meet the resurrected Christ in the possibilities of life, whether it's in the joy of relationships or in the tragedies of life. even in tragedy there can be blessing. but it requires that we open ourselves up to those possibilities for Grace to happen. the real tragedy is when we close ourselves off to one another in anger and decide that we can't trust or that life is nothing but shit. trusting another human being or the possibility of something existing beyond ourselves requires a leap of faith.

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I agree, Jesus was a good person, and I agree with his ideals, I just don't believe in the existence of god. I see no evidence and never had.<!-/Quote-!>

Considering that Jesus claimed to be the son of God and relied upon God as the standard of value in his morality, if you don't believe in God, then shouldn't that raise very serious questions as to whether Jesus was a good man and his ideals were correct?

Bah! The whole 'Immaculate Conception' thing is just a lie that got out of hand.

Joeseph, "WHAT! You're pregnant! But we haven't..."
Mary, "No, it's fine. God did it. Yeah, that's right. I'm carrying the son of God. That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

Oh for God's sake, someone ban this guy from posting on the forums.

BBJBS, I could sit here for half an hour and compose a reply to your obvious troll, but, well, it's a troll, and it's not worth my time. A bit of sensitivity wouldn't go amiss. I've got nothing against you for holding an opinion, and I admire the fact that you're considering theological ideas, but you really, really went about this the wrong way.

I guess all I'm saying is that this is incredibly offensive. If you want to have a discussion about something like this, maybe start off on a friendlier note?

@ Parsifal: whoops, misunderstood. Also, life IS shit for most people. Just look at a newspaper. You'll probably see murder reports, obituaries involving cancer and building fires, genocide in some African country that you've never heard of before, disease, war, poverty, drugs, flooding, earthquakes and other natural disasters, school shootings, childhood and adult obesity, scams, unemployment, corruption, lack of health care, foreclosure, and those are just things that would be in the newspaper off the top of my head.

@ Scarlet: I kind of meant if you got rid of all the God/magic bull. The things about love and acceptance for all mankind are good.

@ Accordion: Call for a ban as much as you want, I'm entitled to my opinion and freedom of speech by the constitutions of the United States and the Netherlands. I can use every word in the book to describe every other word in the book, and since the server is located in the Netherlands, it's protected by constitutional law. Banning me to prevent me from making posts would be a form of censorship, and therefore illegal.

people get banned from the forums all the time. so, you should watch what you say.

and if life is shit for most people, is that God's fault? tell me about the god you don't believe in.

@ Pars: if there is a god, and he's all powerful like the Christians say, then yes, it is his fault. The god I believe in is real life. And people know it exists. Kick YOUR ass.

Seriously BBJBS, quit whilst you're behind. Freedom of speech is legal; religious intolerance is not. I daresay that one of the conditions of posting on this forum is that you do not vilify races or religions. It is not unconstitutional to ban you from a forum, because this is the private forum of W3C and not your hometown. You are posting here at the liberty of W3C, not at the liberty of your constitution. I'd also think you'd find that you're under Netherlands jurisdiction here, not United States, since the server is located in the Netherlands. Just for the record: if the server was located in Australia, you would have been insta-banned for inciting racial/religious hatred. Just sayin'.

As for your blatant attack on my God; once again, I don't think it's worth my time to address this because you are clearly either a troll or incredibly close-minded. In the spirit of brevity: it is questionable that God condemns homosexuality, there are many Christians who believe that Jesus in fact affirmed "born eunuchs" (homosexuals) and did not condemn them. In terms of your ignorant accusation that the Bible incites religious or racial intolerance; the Bible tells us to be caring and not to judge others, whether we believe we are right or not, and therefore, to be religiously tolerant. It was also very explicit in telling us that ALL PEOPLE ARE EQUAL regardless of sin or race or whatever. Funnily enough, there used to be this whole thing about "Jews" and "Gentiles" that Jesus was explicitly against; He affirmed the equality of mankind. But, of course, none of that easily acquired information readily available all over the internet matters, does it.

As for God being responsible for all the shit things that happen in life, once again, you are completely incorrect. It's rather easy to argue that, if God is all-powerful, why doesn't He just end all suffering? The fact is that to end suffering would be to show Himself as God, and to show Himself as God would be to force all people to love and worship Him out of necessity rather than free will. I don't have the time to argue the theology of this here, but, essentially, most of the world's problems are created by sinfulness or accident, not through God.

For example:
1) World hunger happens because of a mix of historical factors like imperialism and modern day factors like the greed of first world nations.
2) Killing happens because people kill each other.

You'd probably claim that the Japanese disaster was an "act of God" and that it was therefore his fault. That's an oversimplification; yes, in a way, He is responsible for the earthquake/tsunami, because He created the Earth and its natural laws. But maybe we should acknowledge that, as human beings, we chose to build our homes in locations vulnerable to such natural disasters. I'm not saying it is our fault; I'm just saying that natural disasters are natural and maybe avoidable.

Theological arguments aside, I don't think you have any right to incite hatred against the world's largest faith just because you find it hard to grapple with some theological issues. If you actually care about these issues, maybe you should find a pastor who can discuss them with you; although I doubt you came here to learn.

God bless.

You know what, you guys are right. I've been a douche, and I'm sorry for that. I became the very thing I hated: someone who wouldn't rest until I'd at the very least pissed a bunch of people off. I swear that if I ever start another thread like this then I'll leave my federation, disable war protection, get rid of my nuclear defense and let anyone who wants to nuke the hell out of me. Well, not really, but I'm sorry.

Hey, everyone says things that aggravate other people sometimes. Pretty much every thing I ever say aggravates or irritates someone :P If I wasn't econ-only, I would've been clusterfucked by nukes a long, long time ago.

But thanks

Yeah, I guess you're right.

BBJBS just keep an open mind and keep growing. as a Christian i recognize that there may not be a God and that Jesus was not the son of God. and if there is a God, there's no way for me to wrap my head around the concept. But when you think about it quantum theory and super string theory are continually pointing us toward something beyond oursleves and i'm a part of that magnificent creative process. But i've chosen to take the leap of faith since it is through my experience of God's grace through the life, death, and resurrection (as i understand those concepts) that i have become whole. (not perfect by any means)

Blessings to all on this July 4th that celebrates that we all have rights bestowed on us by our creator.

you aint nothing but a hound dog....yuo maestro was right