Attn: GM - Possible War Maps Error? (Little Upsilon)

I have played two player vs. player wars where I have allowed my enemy to paint my territories. When countering, my special forces and land units have failed to liberate any painted areas of the map. I have sent my special forces and land units back in forth across the maps several times in each case, but they do not regain territory or (un)paint.

Is this an error or unexpected result or did I miss some game news?

Currently the active war you can look at is for reference is "Simplistic" Vs. "Raid Center" on Little Upsilon.

This was noticed on White Giant as well.

In the same war I referenced. My fleets have failed to repair for 3 consecutive game months.

Is this perhaps another error that has not been reported yet. This has happened to me several different times over the course of my game play in the last few years.

I hope this is an isolated issue that will work itself out. If not now you GMs know.

I can't say for sure, Wendy, but I have a feeling that areas are only un-painted when your troops destroy one of the enemy's Special Forces (or other unit) occupying the area. Thus, if one SF unit has painted 4 areas, you can only un-paint one of them by destroying it and the other three remain painted. If you don't destroy it, you don't get to un-paint anything.

Can anyone confirm this?

Hugs and respect

Jo

Yeah maybe that is "supposed" top be the way it works but I destroyed all the special forces that painted the map. Then "attempted" to repaint.

Then, if I'm right, there were no SF left and so un-painting wouldn't work any more. Did you un-paint one sector each time you destroyed an SF unit?

I know from experience that marching your own troops across a painted area doesn't do anything ...

Hugs and respect

Jo

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In the same war I referenced. My fleets have failed to repair for 3 consecutive game months.

Is this perhaps another error that has not been reported yet. This has happened to me several different times over the course of my game play in the last few years.

I hope this is an isolated issue that will work itself out. If not now you GMs know.<!-/Quote-!>

I can now report that my fleets have not repaired in the last 7 game months. No action on my opponent, me fleets just won't repair.

Given how the game is designed as far as the war engine is concerned these kinds of inconsistencies or errors are unacceptable.

If players are to expect honest wagers of war, the bugs need to disappear. If they don't it is hard for me to want to consider placing real assets "on the line" or risking their loss in any event.

Just some food f

Jo, I have fought possibly hundreds of token wars. In my experience, Special forces do unpaint. I am not assuming, this is fact. I had fought a 6 hours c3 war with Homerdome some time ago, where we did just this back and forth. It was a shining moment for him. He overcame, it just took a while. We took turns painting and unpainting the map. With each update time and less paint my war index replenished.

I really appreciate your attention to this matter Jo but I would really like to hear from the gms and not be the cause of confusion to other members who may read.

For example, if you were right about the population issue, your advice(which I have considered to be the solution) to reduce my health index, directly contradicts what Andy has stated about population loss.

We only heard that you need higher index numbers to "maintain" the age groups from 0-4 and 4-8 and that the stabilization of these groups were direct

As I said in my first post, I'm not sure about my theory on un-painting, which is why I asked if anyone else could confirm it. All I can say is that I have always failed to un-paint by just walking units across a painted map, and that applies over a year and a half of fighting PvP wars. Not as many as you, granted, but still consistent. But maybe I was doing something wrong. I also watched Serpent fail to un-paint any more of his country that I had painted, once all my SF had been destroyed, although maybe he just couldn't be bothered. I'd really like to know myself from the GMs, but unfortunately they rarely answer forum questions. Let's hope they answer this one.

As far as the population bubble is concerned, I probably didn't make myself clear. There's no contradiction between what I am saying and what the GMs are saying. If you have too many old people, they are going to die. That's the problem. If you maintai

Oh yes Jo, I got what you were telling me in the first post. Your advice is much appreciated. I usually have to take the word of an experienced player because the GMs do refrain from making things clear.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. The advice or solution you gave was opposite of what the gms said. The case may be the same. But you highlighted what the problem may be. And gave the reason behind your suggestion for a fix. You explained what the gms failed to mention to dboyd, myself, and others when we made forum posts about it.

Andy failed to mention the issue of overall aging population and the solution, or suggestive solution, would only prolong what you have told us is the real problem. He said raise your health index. Or didn't, but rather hinted that this was the problem.

Remember right after that I asked him what was considered to be high? And what is a baseline? No answer.

This I see as a problem.

Yep, SF have always unpainted for me. I haven't tried in the last year, but this was the case. Maybe it's just an unforeseen side effect of the map upgrades, check the WI of the country as well to see if maybe you are actually reclaiming the territory though the graphic doesn't reflect it.

I did CC. The War Index recovers around 2 points per game month where it should gain 20 - 30 points if the painted areas are reclaimed. This is why I brought the issue up. I got really close to allowing my enemy bring my war index under 20 so I unpainted the map, and to no avail. It went from 18 points to about 20, then 23 the next month, but I think those small increments were the result of cities and cap healing after buying the necessary construction.

There still seems to be a problem with SF's reclaiming painted areas of the map. I have run them back and forth twice over the map after destroying the unit that painted.

They reclaimed an estimated 25% of the painted areas, but I have run them over about 85% of the total painted area. Is this just a browser issue and they are really unpainted. Clearing my cache and all didn't help.

I'm using Firefox.

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