| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 12:25 pm 
Official Simcountry Exclusive Vote
Subject: Remove the limit on exchanging gold coins
Theres a limit in place where if "ANY" nation or CEO are in debt players are blocked out from the exchange markets. This means they cannot trade cash or GC. This is a grave mistake, most players in debt need to trade GC to get the cash to go out of debt, but because they are in debt they are blocked from the markets. I would like to ask the GM to remove this feature and allow countries in debt to trade GC for cash on the direct market.
The line in red is not true. This was discussed in chat with Supersoldier when he raised this issue a while ago.
Jozi or Tommi already explained this in some game news some time ago.
Players can Always exchange coins for cash, whenever you need the cash. The new popup from the country screen even allows you to exchange the gc for x amount of cash if you don't have cash on your direct account but you have coins instead.
What this feature does do is not allow players to abuse some features of the game and use the higher debt limits to play silly games with people using debt. It encourages you to pay your debts down instead of allowing you to log in and make more purchases which will only increasing your debt.
The feature does not ever stop you from exchanging coins for cash in a state of emergency. |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 06:32 pm
Wendy Wendy.
Someone/somewhere you where mislead on this function let me help you better understand this feature.
The safety feature the GM added only give you the bare minimum you need.
Lets say your 500B in the negative cash with 1T in loans. The game will ONLY offer you 500B to bring you into the green but that still leaves 1T loans, plus in the case of new players they will need spend it building an econ. This drives them into more debt without the chance for them to pay off the loan. Along with the constant reminder makes they fell worthless thous driving them away(this is been the case several time) A person sitting on a bomb saying "DEBT" isn't the best way to help a new player out. Point i was trying to get was that they either need to put the market back up to players in debt OR increase the cash for GC they give to cover the HOLE debt. It would be much more helpful if they offered cash to cover the hole "debt".
Hope this brighten your day and helps you get a better understanding of SC and its functions
Love
Super |
| Sunny (Kebir Blue) | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 07:24 pm
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| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 08:25 pm
You can gripe at how you don't like a feature, or that particular feature.
You can have any amount of debt and still cash GC in for SC cash to pay any amount of debt you owe.
This keeps players honest.
Your narrow view on the subject in no way changes that.
Having debt that locks you from the cash market in no way stops you from exchanging GC to into cash to settle that debt in order to access the other features available on the cash market.
I know it can be hard to understand complex features but this is so very basic Super, even you should understand. You do, and you only want to rack up debt, and still be able to exchange cash you have on hand for GCs for extensions and pop purchases. The idea as usual with you is totally self serving and you really convinced yourself that you are educating anyone but yourself.
1 + 1 = 3 according to super. Right.... |
| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 08:35 pm
If you are going to try and pretend to be intelligent you can't type stuff like
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Quote:over the HOLE debt.
This drives them into more debt without the chance for them to pay off the loan.
Players always have the option to pay off debt. Any amount of it. After they square up when the portal locks them out, they can go to the country and go to finance/loans/loans you received/pay off marked loans
Yes Super, you are so smart and everyone else soooo stupid. |
| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Wednesday, February 8, 2012 - 08:38 pm
The smartest thing you did was go into perma-war protection.
What is someone with a main with 2 quadtrillion complaining about a few trillions holding them from opening a country. Pay the debt off and keep it moving. You're whining over this like some n00b with no money. Even the n00bs have not complained.
Because there is nothing to complain about here. |
| Gothamloki (Little Upsilon) | Friday, February 10, 2012 - 04:23 pm
The real headache is that you have to hunt down the loans to pay them off before the system lets you trade cash for GCs, AND then there's a long delay between paying them off and when they update the page to lift the restriction. In the meantime, a single country or enterprise can slip into back debt, and you're stuck again.
It would be SO MUCH BETTER if you were offered the ability to pay them all off on one screen, AND if they updated it immediately. Sometimes the issue with a country is low pop, or renewal of a registration, which you cant do with cash, only GCs. |
| Psycho_Honey (Fearless Blue) | Friday, February 10, 2012 - 11:52 pm
I agree with the payoff all loans from a single screen. This is a problem, but not with what Super is attempting to imply.
I had the very same problem loki. The solution, is not allowing yourself to get in the habit of carrying loans. Especially when you know you want to exchange cash for coins.
Really, why should the game allow you to exchange coins for any purpose while you are carrying any debt?
If you hold debt, you shouldn't be allowed to exchange for coins.
As soon as I stopped carrying loans, I stopped having this problem.
When the game blocks you from entering your enterprise or country, it reminds you that you have an excess amount of debt. The system will not block you over 20B or even 1 trillion for that matter. It makes you pay the debt. This is a good thing. In the last month alone I have exchanged a ton of cash for another ton of coins. I went through each of my countries and enterprises and paid off the necessary loans came back the next morning and exchanged my coins.
Players should have a handle on their finances and this feature accomplishes just that by preventing your normal game-play until you address the excessive debt.
This is the responsible thing to do and it prevents players from ignoring huge debt that will eventually become unmanageable.
But I do agree with loki, the option to pay off all debt on all worlds on a single screen right right when you try to purchase coins would be real nice.
I can't stand when players distort their votes with half truths in order to influence their polls. It is irresponsible and if Supersoldier wants to be recognized as a veteran he should not intentionally mislead anyone especially new players on why he is placing a poll up for vote.
This kind of behavior has been going on for years and truthfully it is sickening. Distortions like what he posted in the polls and arguments like that have led to war levels. People exaggerating the situation to manipulate the gms to implement something they want that will only benefit them, or their agenda.
And trust me, there is always an agenda.
Kinda like the vote to remove war levels on FB, where Super, Homer, CP, and Jackspetic all have 10 c3 empires a region over from my empire like nobody saw them coming. Pathetic. Not of any consequence cuz I'd still Pwn all their axxes anyway.
But back to the Vote thingy, Super wants to buy more coins to extend his perma war protection, while holding debt, or enough debt that he doesn't want to pay off, and still afford the luxury of war protection. |
| Crafty | Sunday, February 12, 2012 - 09:26 pm
There is a pay all loans option isn't there?
Go to loans, inspect loans, payback loans, and bingo!!! you can pay as many off as you like in one go (providing you have the money). There is a small fee for paying off loans early. Maybe an immediate system recognition would be nice, but tbh I though you could buy again straight away, its only the cash market that takes time. Check the polls, I thought there was a vote for this last bit, if not, start one, if there was then email GM for update. |
