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Population now cost 6 GCs?!!?!

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Gothamloki

All worlds
12 Apr 2012 01:16Link
This is too much... too much...
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SuperSoldierRCP

All worlds
12 Apr 2012 01:20Link
Whats the big deal. I used to pay 6-7GC when it was 460B per coin. Personally i think Pop should be 10GC per million. 1M pop should cost around 5T per, your econ only to, you should be able to bump out that kinda cash no prob.

If they going to charge us a stupid welfare reduction for selling i should get my moneys worth
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Scarlet

All worlds
12 Apr 2012 01:23Link
Yeah, population costs like nothing. Stop whining.
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Gothamloki

All worlds
12 Apr 2012 01:24Link
ha... you're right... we just popped with a 20% reduction in profits.... we're about to get popped with another 10% on the 17th... they refuse to consider a reduction in the cost of government not associated with country purchases... and they just upped the cost of population (the only real way to build your country) 20%... I really have no damn idea why I'm not jumping out my seat in joy.
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Redman

All worlds
12 Apr 2012 01:31Link
Just because gold coin value is down doesn't mean you have to go around jacking up the GC prices. ALL of the SC$ is down and harder to get now with profits being slashed everywhere. I can't even get my corps to increase enough in value to IPO them.

Whatever man. Do what you do GM's. Sidestep, skirt around it and stick it to us.
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maclean

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 01:50Link
Hey Super, I have pop you can buy for 10GC/M. How many do you want?
:)
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 06:55Link
Yeah if you are raising the price of everything based on GC going down it kind of nullifies the reduction in GC. It also lends ear to the argument that all this currency manipulation and market tanking have nothing to do with making things cheaper but rather to use these updates as an excuse for all our compounded losses.

If we are going in circles here with lowering GC then raising the price of everything to offset the changes, the only thing left to conclude is that this is just siphoning cash out of my countries and CEOS as we suffer through the seemingly endless small "corrections".

I don't know if any of you realize it but this what my account assets look like now. What about yours are you willing to share. I'd like to see how your account values in GC are growing or losing.

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Andy

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Population is the most important asset in simcountry and the base for making a lot of money.
Check some countries with 300M population and see their results.
6 GC is far too low but it is hard to make changes. everybody starts shouting.

Innanna,
a nice graph but it does not go far enough. where was it a year ago?
10.000 gold coins or less. Now it is all the way down to 39.000?
The total game value in gold coins went up from 3.5M to 12M+ in a single year.

Inanna and some other very wealthy players had the biggest advantage. Showing a declining graph of the last 6 days is not exactly a truthful presentation of the facts.
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nix001

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 14:20Link
You certainly have your work cut out for you hey Andy :)
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 15:45Link
Andy, have you bumped your head?


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Showing a declining graph of the last 6 days is not exactly a truthful presentation of the facts.<!-/Quote-!>



See Andy, I like how you try to make seem as if I am doing something wrong or juking the stats to support my statement.

But...

1. That is how far back you allow us to see. I do not control that, you all do.

2. The facts of this present themselves. The graph supplied by you has data recorded and eclipsed by you. I cannot change the values presented in the graph.

3. I actually did try to keep on topic and not let anyone become misled by the reflection of my CEO's being sold.

I actually said "Disregard the Large drop I just sold 2 CEO's....

But look at the slope and the rate of decrease.}

I only presented the graph you suppl
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Andy

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 16:11Link
Maybe I did bump my head when I read your previous comment on the declining values. I fainted.

I did not want to start any discussion on the huge increase in the value of assets in the game. I was surprised that you, as one of the main beneficiaries, started it.

Gold coins are now 80B down from 4.7T very long time ago and 450B more recently.
the values of corporations always fluctuated with the profitability of corporations independent of that exchange rate.
The reduction long term is the result of the rate change but not percentage point by percentage point.
At some time the rate declined and corporate values increased and at other times, like recently, corporate values caught up with the rates.

we are not turning the volume. There are many parameters in this game and this is what makes it what it is. A game with 6 parameters is easier. this one has 6.000. maybe much too complex.

Long term, corporate values
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 16:48Link
Without diverting from the main distortion you continue feeding an ignorant populace.

Explain how selling the the bulk of my coins when they were 400-600B a pop for !1! Gold Coin was some benefit or benefit or how I was a beneficiary when you tanked the GC price soon after all the way down to <100 Billion each? I had 1.4 Quadrillion in cash back then and sold way high. Actually by selling most of them before the decline, I was literally shooting myself in the foot.

You keep bringing the conversation to a place and point that was irrelevant to anything I originally posted here. I hope this example above demonstrates that the statement you are making is completely wrong and a distortion of fact at best. Now, this is getting nowhere fast, and is getting way off from the point of my original post.

Please.... without going off on a tangent about anything other than the point.

You made a statement that placed me in
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 16:53Link
I think the problem here is that we are getting away from the time frame mentioned. But if we should go far back 30 days will likely show the same trend, but a year ago changes the entire context of the conversation, and was not what I was intending to discuss.

I hope that clears this up.
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Andy

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 18:25Link
30 days?
no, the last 30 days saw a correction.

you know what it was several months ago or a year.
you know that all the cash you had, many trillions, in the account, the countries and the corporations, increased its value in gold coins over the last year. Also all the products in stock increased in value, the army etc. The value of the account exploded.

I am not blaming you of this.
we pushed the rates down and made many people much richer and we do not complain.

My comment related to showing a decline in the value over the last 7 days. It is a wrong presentation of the facts.
check the assets in the history tables.

The total world assets as they show on the scroll bar on the portal page are now showing $1.14M. This used to be 320K.

The entire increase is due to the appreciation of the value of game money, even though the base value of countries went down from 50T to 24T.
(this is a dec
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Crafty

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 21:20Link
Why are talking about account values?

I'm not much bothered by the value of my account, I would rather have liquid assets with which I can do things, buy things, expand, do more in space, have a stronger military/defence, run 300m countries and so on and so on.

Recently, like Wendy and Keto, I see falling account assets, I wouldn't like to say about comparing it now to a year ago as obviously I have grown my account in that time so it would be impossible to say whether any increase was due to game mechanics or my growing. This must apply to any account of a year or more old (except maybe nix's lol) so I'm not sure how you see what you do see Andy.

Anyway, as my purchasing power is erased, so is my enjoyment of the game, rich fat capitalist that I am, so this is what I see as the fundamental issue with the direction you are going. Who wants high value accounts but no $$$ to do anything?
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Inanna

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13 Apr 2012 21:35Link
Still no graph.

Andy I still appreciate your effort though.

If GC is not rising at the same rate that the account assets are decreasing in the same time frame, the decline is outside of the correction from GC. They've been rather stable between 80-90B A far cry from what the graph says.

The increase/decrease is artificial as it is moved by whatever the par for GC is that pleases you. This decline goes far out of the influence of GC.

You are battling with the graph, not me. The slope is down, then the value is down. If GC has not Risen in value to the tune of 20ish% than this decline is unjustified and represents real loss. Not market fluctuation. Nothing really more to say.

This is the argument we have in America and in Europe. You have turned a stable SC dollar with a fixed value into a fiat currency by allowing the price of Gc that backs the SC dollar to float, influenced by none other than central banks
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Crafty

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 21:43Link
See the problems of allowing people to earn loads of GC and sell them for real assets Andy? Now you're having them think they are entitled to that earnings and dont like it diminished.
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:07Link
I think the real important question is this. If you and us as players have gone through this extended era of decreasing GC why on earth are you attempting to offset those artificial decreases by raising the price of goods?

I mean what was the point then? It appears you wanted to decrease GC value but now you want to equate everything relative to what it used to be. Won't all this be a waste of time then? Why all this suffering and the slow and grueling pace of this progress to where you guys are satisfied?

And don't be fooled. Account Values have not increased in Value, This is hyperinflation is all you did by stepping in as a central bank does to weaken their currency so that the "internal economy(e.g. supply fairy)" could get a boost from exports, sim coins, goods, etc. traded to players.

In all reality no values went up at all. By killing the Gold Coin, the SC Dollar is suffering from hyper inflation. T
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:14Link
And to be really honest, CC this has absolutely nothing to do with the Sale of any asset gained in Sim for real money. You are the only person to consistently stamp that comment into every discussion of country profitability or asset loss as the source of the problem. This is not anywhere near reality or the truth.

The two are separate discussions.

You don't sell for coins. So why are you crying about profit or cash loss?

If they were to grant your wish, and float more cash, you'll turn it into the game, your choice. My choice is to help a player get ahead and buy some GC at a discount that they obviously need. But to state that as the cause for the discussion like I am greedy or something is pretty funny of you, for the 3rd time is it now. You just said you were some fat greedy capitalist, are we contradicting ourselves to suit the hour? Or were you really a capitalist, or just saying that because it sounded good?
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Redman

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:17Link
Andy
"Maybe I did bump my head when I read your previous comment on the declining values. I fainted."

Perhaps you can explain what you mean. You fainted by hearing this? Does the truth hurt that much?

Wendy is trying to point something out and you go out of your way, literally, to discredit her information. You show me what countries have not decreased in profit by a significant amount, What player's accounts have not shrunk, what ceo's have not lost Trillions and trillions of SC$ and I will do the fainting.

I was not joking in another post when I said I can not even get my corps to increase enough in value to IPO them. That is your doing! Not ours. YOU are doing this to the game and no matter what argument we present to you about the damage you are causing you continue to try to justify your actions by so much as trying to discredit valued players findings and information to suit your own Game Justifying arg
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Andy

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:28Link
do we want to decrease the value in gold coins?
I just said that the value in gold coins went up by a factor of three to four and that it was our intention.

what price is going up? all goods are now half the price they were before, including all weapons and ammo.
Oops, population went up by one gold coin. The real issue with the population price is that there is no market and supply is unlimited.
It should be limited to 50 millions per week or so.
As to all other goods, the capitalists among us can purchase much more for their money, not less.

I do not think we get anywhere with this.
The argumentation is not based on what really happened.

we will run this procedure through and in a couple of weeks, or months, when the dust settles, everyone will get used to smaller numbers and will juggle billions instead of trillions.

The problem with games without a periodic total reset, is that changes are a prob
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Crafty

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:33Link
2nd time I believe.

Yeah, I'ld put it into the game, hell, its a game, thats what the game assets should be for, I would have thought anyway. My point was and is that by making it so hard to have cash to do stuff in game but relatively easier to get GC, what are most people going to do? Get GC and try to liquidate them. No where have I stated is it the source of any problem, I have predicted it as an outcome.

Not selling GC for cash and not having $SC are the two seperate discussions, whatever anyone does with their GC is ok with me as I stated before.

Greed was not my accusation, thats your conspiracy predeliction showing. You were the one who said something about having your pension messed with.

Tell ya what, hows about you buy 1000GC off of me for 400B each then we can both be happy :) waddaya say?
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:37Link
I couldn't type a response I was laughing so hard hard at "oops... population went up 1 GC."


I knew 5 0 6 posts ago that this was going nowhere. But my post wasn't really directed at you Andy. I was asking players to share what their account graphs looked like because I wanted to see if it was isolated to me or if this was across the board. Which if true, would indicate I am not doing it, and I am pretty much helpless to stop it, so I can stop pulling my hair out trying to stop it with my best efforts. Which ain't much to begin with. I hate thinking so much sometimes I log in and log back out becuase I'm tired of fixing stuff almost daily that won't get level. Like my health index GAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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Inanna

All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:43Link
I'm pretty sure for the second time, my post was pretty accurate CC. We don't have to agree. I'm just getting tired of it injected into a conversation when you say it like this...

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See the problems of allowing people to earn loads of GC and sell them for real assets Andy? Now you're having them think they are entitled to that earnings and dont like it diminished. <!-/Quote-!>



I'm not blind and I have at least a minimal grade of comprehension to interpret what you literally meant when you said, how you said, and why you said it.

If this were an elementary school test, and we were doing that question that goes like this. In this group, which one doesn't belong.... Or which of these things are different? if we used that format on this conversation, aside from Andy trying to splinter the discussion 200 ways to avoid answering or posting the i