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Kitsune
All worlds
12 Apr 2012 05:57Link
It seems like almost all of my countries and enterprises are simply paying too much for raw materials.
Here is an example.
Corporation A (mine, "Vulpinian Holdings") makes Household Products in a c3 country and pays 300 salary. It orders supplies at 140 quality and pays ~2.6 billion per game month for these.
Corporation B (not mine) in the exact same country also produces Household Products. It pays the same salary, 300. It orders supplies at 160 quality, a bit higher than mine. It pays ~1.9B per month for this.
Why is my corporation ordering lower quality supplies and paying more for them?
I see this happen consistently across my enterpris
Here is an example.
Corporation A (mine, "Vulpinian Holdings") makes Household Products in a c3 country and pays 300 salary. It orders supplies at 140 quality and pays ~2.6 billion per game month for these.
Corporation B (not mine) in the exact same country also produces Household Products. It pays the same salary, 300. It orders supplies at 160 quality, a bit higher than mine. It pays ~1.9B per month for this.
Why is my corporation ordering lower quality supplies and paying more for them?
I see this happen consistently across my enterpris
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CorporatePartner
All worlds
12 Apr 2012 06:02Link
Agreed.
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Christopher Michael
All worlds
12 Apr 2012 06:19Link
Similar thing with me; have 2 CEO's on GR. I was comparing corporations in them, same country, same product, same settings, same taxes (0%), yet my 'cursed' CEO costs across the board were higher than my other CEO. I compared many corps., and it was the same. Coincidentally, Columbia Commerce Consortium's total market value for all corps have dropped close to 60% since the GM's started moving numbers down. It is down considerably more than my other CEO percentage wise (Carolina GCX).
I keep wondering, when does the devaluation of this particular CEO end?? And why are the cost higher, when my settings are exactly the same in every category as my other CEO?
I am not blaming the GM's for this, however. I may be doing something to cause this, though I have tried everything in the book so to speak, to at least slow down the downward spiral that CCC is taking.
Andy, if have the time, could
I keep wondering, when does the devaluation of this particular CEO end?? And why are the cost higher, when my settings are exactly the same in every category as my other CEO?
I am not blaming the GM's for this, however. I may be doing something to cause this, though I have tried everything in the book so to speak, to at least slow down the downward spiral that CCC is taking.
Andy, if have the time, could
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Kitsune
All worlds
12 Apr 2012 22:26Link
Bumping.
What's going on here? Why are certain private (and state) corporations paying so much for raw materials when others aren't?
What's going on here? Why are certain private (and state) corporations paying so much for raw materials when others aren't?
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SuperSoldierRCP
All worlds
12 Apr 2012 22:43Link
I agree with Kitsune
I've noted this a few times among different CEO's. WTH is going on
I've noted this a few times among different CEO's. WTH is going on
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Inanna
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 07:08Link
Yep. My minds eye caught this a long while ago. I'm exhausted at finding where my profits are draining to in my CEOs especially :S
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Andy
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 14:06Link
The value of corporations is declining with all other numbers.
Income and cost declined and the difference too so if earning per share is down, PE ratio restores itself by reducing the price of the shares.
measured in gold coins over time:
a year ago (or two) a very large corporations was values at 0.5-1.0 gold coin, not it is doing around 7.
We have not pushed this down, it is the result of declining numbers.
check the value of your account in gold coins. If you have done recently as good as before, the value has jumped in the past year.
the total world value used to be 3.5M gold coins, now it is 12M+.
Income and cost declined and the difference too so if earning per share is down, PE ratio restores itself by reducing the price of the shares.
measured in gold coins over time:
a year ago (or two) a very large corporations was values at 0.5-1.0 gold coin, not it is doing around 7.
We have not pushed this down, it is the result of declining numbers.
check the value of your account in gold coins. If you have done recently as good as before, the value has jumped in the past year.
the total world value used to be 3.5M gold coins, now it is 12M+.
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Andy
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 14:07Link
Raw material pricing depends on the market. create some corporations that produce materials your corporations use a lot and contract it to them at a good price.
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Kitsune
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 14:47Link
If you look at the "last price paid" column on the "available materials" section for each corporation, you will see this:
First Example Corporation, "Louth Household Products" from my enterprise "Vulpinian Holdings"
Product Avg Quality Last Price Paid
Chemicals 144 $3465
Electric Components 144 $1563
Electric Power 137 $165575
Electronic Components 146 $1813
Factory Maintenance Units 135 $4.19M
Glass 142 $2404
High Tech Services 142 $1553
Plastics 142 $2223
Services 139 $1576
Second Example Corporation, "Omega Household Products 15", in the same country as the first:
Product Avg. Quality Last Price Paid
Chemicals 167 $4052
Electric Components 154 $1514
Electric Power 154 $202253
Electronic Components 164 $2097
Fact
First Example Corporation, "Louth Household Products" from my enterprise "Vulpinian Holdings"
Product Avg Quality Last Price Paid
Chemicals 144 $3465
Electric Components 144 $1563
Electric Power 137 $165575
Electronic Components 146 $1813
Factory Maintenance Units 135 $4.19M
Glass 142 $2404
High Tech Services 142 $1553
Plastics 142 $2223
Services 139 $1576
Second Example Corporation, "Omega Household Products 15", in the same country as the first:
Product Avg. Quality Last Price Paid
Chemicals 167 $4052
Electric Components 154 $1514
Electric Power 154 $202253
Electronic Components 164 $2097
Fact
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Christopher Michael
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 17:00Link
I don't know how the question could be explained any better than what Kitsune stated.
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Crafty
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 21:32Link
Could it be buying strategies, paying more because you dont get it for a month or two? To compound this the slight difference in Q ordered may matter as from what I understand the game tries to fill orders of a certain Q with offers of the same Q, if this cant be fufilled then it will do a best match.
Hard to believe, but vaguely possible that a slightly different Q order would take longer to be fufilled??? and so the 8 or 10% strategy mark up comes into play. Probably I'm clutching at straws and hopefully Andy will find out and explain exactly what is going on.
Hard to believe, but vaguely possible that a slightly different Q order would take longer to be fufilled??? and so the 8 or 10% strategy mark up comes into play. Probably I'm clutching at straws and hopefully Andy will find out and explain exactly what is going on.
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Redman
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:24Link
How about this thesis. Older corps buy first. Younger corps get the scraps and higher prices if product stocks are sold out at lower qualities. The older your private corps the further up in line they are to get the lower cost supplies.
kitsune. How old are those corps? Is the older one getting the better supply prices? Just curious.
Cheers.
kitsune. How old are those corps? Is the older one getting the better supply prices? Just curious.
Cheers.
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Crafty
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 22:38Link
LOL redman, but hey, most people do make and offer higher Q product, so the higher Q requests are more likely to get filled first. I wonder if the box on the corp page shows the price at the time the order was first considered or if it actually reflects any markup due to your purchasing strategy.
Also, Is the production in these corps the same?
Also, Is the production in these corps the same?
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Kitsune
All worlds
13 Apr 2012 23:23Link
That's an interesting theory Redman. I don't think that is it though.
Corporation Start Dates:
Louth Household Products: March 15 2714
Omega Household Products 15: July 15 2015
Batangas Household Products: June 15 2843
The corporation that is paying more for materials is Louth, which is the middle child of the three. It is owned by Vulpinian Holdings which is my (renamed a few times) first enterprise on LU. Batangas Household Products is owned by Kitsunebi which was my second enterprise on LU. And Omega Household Products 15 is actually Laguna's corp and as you can see it is very old.
Production Levels:
Louth: 107.3%
Omega: 107.3%
Batangas: 111.6%
All 3 pay 300 salaries.
Louth and Batangas use very similar trade strategies so that seems unlikely to be the cause.
Louth: Start at 91%, increase by 9% each month.
Batangas: Start at 92%, increase by 8% each month.
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Corporation Start Dates:
Louth Household Products: March 15 2714
Omega Household Products 15: July 15 2015
Batangas Household Products: June 15 2843
The corporation that is paying more for materials is Louth, which is the middle child of the three. It is owned by Vulpinian Holdings which is my (renamed a few times) first enterprise on LU. Batangas Household Products is owned by Kitsunebi which was my second enterprise on LU. And Omega Household Products 15 is actually Laguna's corp and as you can see it is very old.
Production Levels:
Louth: 107.3%
Omega: 107.3%
Batangas: 111.6%
All 3 pay 300 salaries.
Louth and Batangas use very similar trade strategies so that seems unlikely to be the cause.
Louth: Start at 91%, increase by 9% each month.
Batangas: Start at 92%, increase by 8% each month.
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Redman
All worlds
14 Apr 2012 00:36Link
Another thing I noticed Kitsune is that with the market price for goods swinging Violently, one month a product is market price 4321 and the very next month it is 2432. The violent market price shifts lend themselves to this problem as well I think.
It's hard just keeping trade strategies set without having to change them, so our corps are getting the same when they buy supplies. With all the changes we are getting it's very difficult to adjust correctly before they change it again.
It's hard just keeping trade strategies set without having to change them, so our corps are getting the same when they buy supplies. With all the changes we are getting it's very difficult to adjust correctly before they change it again.
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Laguna
All worlds
14 Apr 2012 02:08Link
Oh! This is my corp. I hadn't noticed. I wish I knew the answer, but I don't.
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Inanna
All worlds
14 Apr 2012 03:08Link
Imagine if you never had a moment to look so deeply. Into the abyss....
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Scarlet
All worlds
15 Apr 2012 16:25Link
https://sim01.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=21145&miColumn=vEnterpriseMonthMaterials
It appears that this enterprise has become "un-cursed" after I purchased it. This seems relevant to this thread.
It appears that this enterprise has become "un-cursed" after I purchased it. This seems relevant to this thread.
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Kitsune
All worlds
15 Apr 2012 22:02Link
That is a very interesting graph.
I was hoping that I had presented enough evidence of a materials cost anomaly to provoke a serious GM response.
Since I did not get one, I am currently arranging a few side-by-side comparisons with the exact same settings on LU and GR to hopefully prove that Something Is Not Quite Right...at which point I will send an email to the gamemaster.
I'm not going to let this one go easily...it has been the death of a few of my enterprises.
I was hoping that I had presented enough evidence of a materials cost anomaly to provoke a serious GM response.
Since I did not get one, I am currently arranging a few side-by-side comparisons with the exact same settings on LU and GR to hopefully prove that Something Is Not Quite Right...at which point I will send an email to the gamemaster.
I'm not going to let this one go easily...it has been the death of a few of my enterprises.
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SuperSoldierRCP
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 01:13Link
Not only is costs going up but the GM DESPERATELY needs to lower the country resource.
With everything being dropped countries still make tons of that fee. The GM should lower them to 15-20% this would allow taxes to play a much bigger role
With everything being dropped countries still make tons of that fee. The GM should lower them to 15-20% this would allow taxes to play a much bigger role
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Scarlet
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 08:30Link
Super, we're talking about glitches here. Not about game balance.
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Scarlet
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 08:31Link
https://sim01.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=enthist&miKey=21362&miColumn=vEnterpriseMonthMaterials
The player that sold the enterprise seems to have had the "curse" moved to his other enterprise.
EDIT: I went ahead and sent the GMs an e-mail. I hope they fix this soon (and I hope the glitch isn't actually inexplicable reductions in the costs of raw materials, haha).
The player that sold the enterprise seems to have had the "curse" moved to his other enterprise.
EDIT: I went ahead and sent the GMs an e-mail. I hope they fix this soon (and I hope the glitch isn't actually inexplicable reductions in the costs of raw materials, haha).
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Crafty
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 18:14Link
Hmmm. I'm well interested to see how this one turns out.
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Inanna
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 20:35Link
Me 3
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Andy
All worlds
16 Apr 2012 20:46Link
Me 4.
I don't think there is any glitch here.
just erratic raw material pricing that will average out.
I don't think there is any glitch here.
just erratic raw material pricing that will average out.