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Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 11:41 am  Japan vs China is a real possibility, and we all know which two other countries will be dragged into the fight (Russia and USA) Plus there's Vietnam, Phillipenes and Malaysia all unhappy with the Chinese over the South China Sea. Looks like Eastern Asia is a new hotspot. People of SimCountry, what are your thoughts?
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 12:18 pm Are you saying, there could be possible war against China? Whats up with South China Sea.
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 01:45 pm It wont happen. China needs the US to buy there goods and needs us to keep taking loans. On top admittedly Russia/China would have the advantage of first strike but after that a war with the US would cost them dearly(we still got a TON of bombers/tanks that are collecting dust), on top of that the US might be in debt but the private sector would start mass producing weapons and ammo very cheaply.(If the US closes shop so do they and they are in it to make money). If anything it will turn into a cold war 2 scenario. Plus India and China are just(i use that term lightly) starting to get along. Those 2 have been in pissing match for over 1000's of year. A war would remove that. Point is all countries want to survive and non of them are stupid enough at this point in time to play with that fragile system we have now.
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 02:45 pm For more information on this matter: http://www.project-syndicate.org/focal-points/making-waves-in-the-south-china-sea
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 05:19 pm I would have to agree with "SuperSoldierRCP"...The USA it could turn into a Cold War 2 issue. The U.S. has a TON of stock in munitions. I mean a ton and our weapons manufactures are in the U.S..that means we get first dibs on the cool stuff. Besides our technology is beyond any other country. Russia has the only chance to actually hit the U.S from an outside attack, and that attack would only effect Alaska..Once the first punch is thrown..I hope the other country is ready for a fight. We'll take out your country and put you in the most strenuous economic choke hold known to man. Remember we have the worlds largest NAVY...we'll starve your country to death. We'll cripple your trade. We'll "FUBAR" you
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 07:12 pm If it was to happen it would be the U.S. Vs China and Russia... JSDF is Japans only Military Organization. Kinda hard to fight a cold war without a puppet military to support....
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| Saturday, September 15, 2012 - 08:29 pm strange seeing the red guard uniforms coming out during their demonstrations against the Japaneses embassy, I don't think we saw those since the 70s's..
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 12:47 am ya ask me, we are being staged for another world war. . Israel, and Iran, Syria conflict with newly problems including turkey who is just dying to make a name for itself. china and Japan. china moving against aisia Pacific land disputes with many countries. world economies on the verge of collapse. nothing takes care of Dept faster then a war. we will see i guess.
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 01:23 am US this, US that. Russia this russia that. If China went to war with Japan, US wouldn't give a toss. It'd sit back shitting itself unless called upon. Why? China is the new superpower. Every country knows this, if they were to go head-on with any country, they have the high probability of succeeding in war. If China went to war, India, unless called upon, wouldn't help them. If called upon, it's a triangle. China calls india, who calls russia, who brings ww3. They're the deadly circle. However, on the other end, you have, US, UK, US influence on EU. So you're looking at a balance of power everywhere. Then again, the UK would be nothing in war, it's a fact. Anyway back to the point at hand. China can strike at anytime, if it takes out Jap, America will be it's next target, or India. They'll go two faced on any country in a second, cause they can. If that happens, India and Russia like good ol times will wipe the floor with China. India and Russia are love birds. The US would also step in and help for no doubt a 'piece' of land to settle their military on. Uk would join in cause of the US. All in all, China is a very lonely country which can be crushed. What your looking at is another Hitler situation. Cockyness, deluded, and prone to destruction. On the chance it didn't target India, and looked towards the US... it's definitely a scary battle. Russia is building new destroyers and Aircraft carriers which are state of the art as we speak, and those would be given to China. India would try to stay out of it, because of the favours it's received from the US. However, i'm guessing if russia said move yer arse, it would. It has an obligation in some aspects. That'd be the turning point, cause they'd offer their navy and army to China. Now we're looking at some of the biggest war developed countries in the world with some scary weaponry. However, the US, if threatened, has the ability to launch a full nuclear strike at every country opposing it. Of course once they do that, every other country would aim at the US. Their other option would be to defend their coastline. This is what they're best at doing. Their fighters are on par if not better than russias Migs. Chinas, i don't know. The US have some of the BEST defence systems known to man, which if put into practice, could be the decisive turn in a ww3. They've also got a huge unemployment rate which means they'd be outputting millions upon millions of bodies to defend that country, which patriots would do with their lives. The US has that kind of motivation. If it was forced to defend, you'd see France aiding (if they paid them) and Israel helping them. Israel is a country that owes America everything, so it'd step in immediately. Again, tech in Israel is very advanced. They'd have some heavy weaponry on their side, but i'm not sure if they'd last that long, in all fairness. Back in the days... It used to be: - Land power - Russia Air - America Sea - America / USSR Now it's:- Land power - 33/33/33 % Air power - 33/33/33 % Sea - 33/33/33 % America, USSR, China. It's balanced. The US does have some heavy ground force, but it's not good enough for Chinas new tech. Have you seen their ZTZ99 :/ What the fudge. They haven't even shown half of their naval force, which is up to par with the US. Anyway, as someone said in a above post (sorry i can't see your name lol), war is very unlikely for now. Though China can strike at any moment, i don't think it will until every piece of tech is up and running for war, which by then, who knows, USSR or US could regain the superpower title. Maybe even the UK. BAZINGA! Any further thoughts? I love discussing stuff like this. It's interesting.
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 11:54 am Your forgetting the 2 big underdog's in World War 3 scenario. If came down to a fight US/ Europe/ Israel/ Japan -----VS----- Russia/China(Maybe India, thought they can been on either side but we siding them with china) 2 countries would join the US side and in the end win(granted it would take time but would come out in a win). US is in military alliances with BOTH Australia/New Zealand They would be massive players in military support they are close enough to strike missiles into the mainland of Asia but far enough to prevent land troops from attacking. Also they would be good staging points for navies. ---AND--- Brazil (Quote) "Major export products include aircraft, electrical equipment, automobiles, ethanol, textiles, footwear, iron ore, steel, coffee, orange juice, soybeans and corned beef." That right there says they can in a total war scenario EASILY support the US military if they needed goods. Also lets not forget they are in the top 10 oil producing nations. So they economic would GREATLY benefit the war effort. Again though WW3 wouldn't happen for some time all countries know the stakes of what a new war would bring and no one is ready to tip the scale yet.
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 01:28 pm I was going about the main countries that would be involved, but if we're talking about underdogs, you're forgetting a few. Cuba, Saudia Arabia, Mexico and Iran. Before i go any further, i don't have a grudge against the US, rather i'm just trying to predict the outcome by being unbaised. Anyway, Cuba is already on the doorstep of the US, and is known to have been supplied heavy weaponry from the USSR. Maybe not a extensive amoount, but they have got enough to strike at the US, hard. Not to mention if they did start, Mexico and no doubt the drug cartels in colombia would aid them. Colo and Mexi don't have a good relation with the US, i wonder why... If Brazil got involved, they might become the secondary target, unless they sided with the Asia group. Granted they have economical goods, but i think if Colo and Mexi was involved, they'd be of no use. Mainly because they'd block the transport routes via land and sea, and i don't think the US is going to send a great deal of naval forces to sort that out, not when it has China, USSR, India etc etc on it's doorstep. Then you've got Iran and Saud Arab, which the world knows is building Nukes without informing the UN. Wrong, yes, but they're doing it, and no one can stop them. In the long run, only their scud launchers and nukes would be useful. Scuds for defending the Asia group, and nukes for sending to the US and friends. It's not a lot of firepower, as nukes can be shot down early, but, there's not much else they have, that we know of. The US however, have got more underdogs than that. Aus would aid them, but unless supported early, they'd be crushed. Look at where they are on the world map. No early support? Bye bye Aus. The US could call on France, Germany, UK, Spain, and MAYBE Ukraine. Though i don't think they'll want to be involved as Russia would just spank them and take that piece of land back lol. France have some nice helicopters and firearms that would aid the US in the war, but not much else. Whereas, just like good ol times, Germany have the Land power that the US may need. Tanks, Art, firearms and transport vehicles. Their Art is outdated, but i'm putting it in anyway. UK, only good for human resources, we have nothing else to offer. Esp are great for both Air and Land. Currently they're being used by NATO in various places, but if recalled, we're looking at approx 200k soldiers in less than a month being draw up for battle. They're Land and Air is quite impressive to say the least. Anyway, It's balanced throughout, no matter how you put it. Underdogs or not.
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 01:32 pm Are you kidding me , China ,U.S ,Russia or japaan have no intention of going to war . China is on the verge of becoming a massive economic super power , they dont need a war . Russia is also on the up with there vast resources , they dont need or want a war . The U.S has far to much military in the middle east which are supplied from a very fragile line , they would be cut off and lost . If there was a war no one would win , do you really think we could beat and occupy two vast nations like China and Russia , come on get real , a lot of people would die for nothing . As for the cooment that UK is nothing , 65 million people would disagree .
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 04:49 pm According to the Bible and prophecy, there will be wars and there will be rumor of wars. These must happen and we must not worry. Well unless you are an evil person. ha ha ha ha I put my faith in God and don't concern myself with anything else.
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 06:00 pm No one said they had the intention of going to war, we're talking about the probability of what would happen if something did spark off. China isn't on the verge, it IS the superpower. Russia is a military run country. The vast majority of it's income comes from developing arms and selling them to other countries. The US as i stated before, could / may use those measures if a war was started. You clearly don't have a grasp of what 'winning' a war could entail. You don't always have to occupy a country for it to be a win. Jeez, research some more before you type trash like that, or at least gain some common sense. Your last comment ' As for the cooment that UK is nothing , 65 million people would disagree ' that truly is hilarious lol. You think we're actually, influential in a war? China would flick their boogie at us and we'd be stuck for a decade lol
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 07:20 pm Sunshine, are you from the UK? Where abouts?
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| Friday, October 5, 2012 - 11:45 pm Aye i am luv. Wolverhampton - West Midlands. Yourself? UK or US?
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 03:46 am "65 million people would disagree ' that truly is hilarious lol. You think we're actually, influential in a war? " WoW I was pretty impressed with 2 para and the marines I served with as a US soldier not sure they would agree nor I
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 05:15 am I'm on da other side of the big pond, in the US.
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 05:16 am No war going happen. China is never ever going to be an economic superpower, their government doesn't have an infrastructure for a very important resource needed, labor. Those that believe they are attempting to improve it, wages have actually been sinking lower despite news traveling Foxxcon and other reputable slave labor camps. The industries inside China have had a harsh first two quarters and so major crime is peeling back even more of that infrastructure. You can't run a country where the government decides people don't need any of life's essentials. If their was a war, Mexico would side with the US. Cuba would be a wild card, and come down to bribes. Saudi Arabia would side with the US. Pakistan would be a better projection, there economy is solide (compared to most) and have a huge manpower with a larger emphasis on the big picture over their own lives. South Korea and Japan are the most industrious nations in the world and both on the side of the US plus the dangerous situation would force Malaysia and Singapore into the situation though they can go either way I think they would back Japan because of recent excessive trade relations. These are important to fight but can work as backup heavy fuel sources as in the past decade we had found they may have as much oil as the Middle East. They wouldn't sabotage trade relations that had propelled their economy to incredible levels. No matter how you look at it, there would be no foot soldiers involved only attempted air raids against the US. Leading to a situation in which countries will suffer but no one will benefit. China would not enter into a war that they have 0 chance of winning. Especially since the US has 3 times the military forces, yeah that's fight 1/4 the people and 3X's military. This is actually a really dumb situation which would not have started if any of the leaders invovled had any sense at all. China invested money to a level that can not be paid back, that's dumb. So because they know their screwed they begin manipulating their currency. Other countries should have boycotted chinese production along time ago because everyone else is getting screwed over US's involvement in production and borrowing. They are because China is also trying to eliminate cross exchange currencies. Esentially they are hedging the Won, Yen, Euro, Pound, and anything else they have against their Yuan, just not the US dollar. They are pretending all of this money is Yuan despite the fact they are devalueing those currencies and they are raising volume of the Yuan to incredible levels as well. They are heading straight for a bubble burst. Hyperinflation that plagued Yugoslavia and WW2 germany is going to hit, and all their money is going to be worthless. China knows this and so they are merely trying to protect themselves, basically they are bluffing to save their country because of their continous flawed economic policies involved in pretending they're this awesome superpower. When in fact they are on the verge of losing their military. If any of you have any money in China I'd take it out or score big from the inflation.
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 02:02 pm Drew, I'm not sure how you can actually emphasize that China is not going to become a superpower. It already IS. When it comes down to war, any country would sacrifice a few pennies / cents for the larger pound / dollar, thus, i can't agree on the statement 'You can't run a country where the government decides people don't need any of life's essentials'. Mexico would NOT side with the US unless a large bribe was given. However, the US could call a clean slate or say it'd be a truce, by clearing Mexico officials from the 24th Aug 2012 shooting on their embassy vehicle if they agreed to become allies. Yes they have great ties economically, but not when it boils down to war. Cuba is with Russia, which is with China. End of discussion. No bribe could / would change that. Saudi Arabia wouldn't side with the US, unless heavily bribed. Again, they have good economic ties with the US, primarily through arms deals, nothing more. However, Saudi Arabia are in greater ties with Russia in terms of arms deals, economic ties and technical ties, which would make them a easier choice. South Korea wouldn't get involved, they have their own issues with North Korea. Malaysia and Singapore wouldn't even get involved, not sure what bought those to your mind? If anything, they'd only supply fuel, nothing else. I think i agree that not many foot soldiers would be involved, but i do believe China would try to establish a vast amount of bases near the sea. Air raids are most likely, and they'd be targeted at specific targets, Bases, Pentagon, financial structures etc etc. The US would do exactly the same. Erm, Drew, you do realize your info about 3x the military is wrong? lol They've both got around about the exact same size lol. The US have a bigger BUDGET, yes, but not a larger military, nor is their personal larger. Where did you pull that info from? 'This is actually a really dumb situation which would not have started if any of the leaders invovled had any sense at all'. Run for President, and let's see how far you get  ' they are devalueing those currencies and they are raising volume of the Yuan to incredible levels as well' Yes they are, i'm not going to disagree there, but in retro-spec, isn't that clever? The rest of that paragraph I've ignored as i disagree totally with it. 'China knows this and so they are merely trying to protect themselves, basically they are bluffing to save their country because of their continous flawed economic policies involved in pretending they're this awesome superpower. When in fact they are on the verge of losing their military. If any of you have any money in China I'd take it out or score big from the inflation.' Are you on crack son? You was talking some sense until i read that. So hold on, if you've found out you'd got a huge flaw in your economic plan, you dish out hundreds of billions more, to cover that up? Can i ask how that makes sense? Wouldn't it be easier to just sort out your income first, like they always have then build their army up from there? Oh wait, that's what they HAVE done. They're on the verge of losing their military, son, just... oh i can't even bring myself to say it.
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 02:04 pm Palm, i might change my mind, if i get into the RAF as a pilot :P Lore, come visit me! 
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 05:16 pm If we were involved in a new world war then yes 65 millin people would be influential in a war ,just like they were in the last two world wars , read youre history eh . The way i understood it , China is one of the biggest growing markets in the world , which is the reason why all the big corporatians wants in on it and the reason why they are doing so well at the present , while the rest off us are trying to stop the shrinking .
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 07:11 pm Listen, if The Cockney Army got involved it would be game over in a day.
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 09:05 pm Quote "You clearly don't have a grasp of what 'winning' a war could entail. You don't always have to occupy a country for it to be a win. Jeez, research some more before you type trash like that, or at least gain some common sense." So how would you invisage a win would look like with a war with China and Russia ? Quote " China would flick their boogie at us and we'd be stuck for a decade lol " So how would they flick there boogies ? by ship , plane or car ? Show me a war that did not have some form of land occupation ? I think you are very niave with youre comments . Quote " Russia is a military run country. The vast majority of it's income comes from developing arms and selling them to other countries." So what would happen if they cut off the Gas supply ? To say Russia ows must of its wealth to arms dealling is simply stupid .
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 10:10 pm Haven't you heard of China's new strategic weapon? The giant booger catapault.
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 10:53 pm Yeah, I heard about those, underwater booger torpedoes too, for taking out aircraft carriers
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| Saturday, October 6, 2012 - 11:35 pm Lol, oi! Don't take the mickey! lol M2M, 65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD Right, i'll give an example. I despise the c*nt, but it's relative to my point. Bin Laden planned an executed the attack on the two towers, and the pentagon. The biggest financial storage of data in the world, which truely, fudged the world. THAT could be envisaged as a victory. The bombing of the London underground, could be envisaged as a victory. You're probably asking, how? How? Because they set out with a plan, executed it, and got their predicted outcome. In the case of China Russia US UK etc etc, i haven't a clue what they'd target. Only they know that, and the outcome they'd hope from it, financially, or military-wise. The boogies could be flicked (lol) by any means. Maybe they'd put a dome over our little country (like in Simpsons the movie) and slowly pour it in?! I didn't say land occupations would not take place, read my previous comment. You clearly skipped parts of my text and just started typing something for no reason. Good point about the Gas supply. Totally forgot about that! You win there. 'To say Russia ows must of its wealth to arms dealling is simply stupid.' I'm not going to be rude, but please, don't call me stupid if you haven't done your research. Ted, those boogies must be huge?! 
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 01:46 am who called Sunshine stupid???!!! I am NOT happy about this! *Adds them to my list!
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 02:08 am ooh man I want to be on the "LIST"
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 11:11 am Jan sunny is a an idiot. I'm Manager of Asian investments andhe flat out told be I'm wrong. My philosophical believes are controversial and argument is fine. But this I know! South Korea can't do anything about north Korea because of Russia and north Korea would strike Japan first. They have thmanpower and the availability to be involved. But the emphasis is they have the ttechnology to manufacture against China Saudi Arabia is not willing to jeapordize it's trade relations with the US as they are also important intermediatary to Europe as some counties they can't trade directly to as it would have a harse political backlash. Not to mention arms trades have been in the decline as US have been offering much superior technology in comparison. Russia typically sells to more undeveloped countries because of a failure to compete with the US. But none of that really matters because so much of there GNP is dependant on the US I said Singapore and Malaysia would just be oil suppliers in the first place. But you need to understand the purity levels of rocket and jet fuel isn't something you can can buy on the open market As for Mexico im sure they'd love to take bribes but with thsir location technology and standing military do you honestly believe they will mess with the US? Cuba, Cuba's always been opportunistic if they aren't bought they aren't involved but it is true if it's against the US then it's. A much cheaper price As for China's military... China's military is the second largest employer in the world it's second to the US military by a factor of 3. This is true. If you consider funding then it is a factor of 10. It isn't to get this source information but what is really easy to find is that the US military has a budget that rIvals the GDP of the entire country of china. As for the strength of China's economy you go right ahead and follow public opinion if you want most idiots do. I have to go back to China in about a month and I can already tell you what the newspapers will read. So this leads me to ask w hat makes you an authority on foreign affairs?
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 12:57 pm Right. I was being nice, now i'll just tell you simply, something that will make you keep your trap shut. I'm a partner with Anthony Ponsford who deal in Import & Exporting as well as retailing across the world. We're now also moving towards becoming major shareholders within a dozen high tech companies across the world. Unless you have the facts in-front of you, keep that gobby mouth closed. P.s. That's my response to your post, as i totally ignored the rest.
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 02:09 pm Quote " I'm a partner with Anthony Ponsford who deal in Import & Exporting as well as retailing across the world." So what ! You would class 9/11 as a war winning victory for Bin Laden . What rubish . I cant believe u even wrote that , after all the deaths and chaos it brougth to both sides and u call that a vitory , it wasnt even the end of the war so wat are u on about , you say it " got their predicted outcome " -really , u think so , how would u know wat they wanted out off it , just to kill on U.S mainland is all they wanted . you keep telling my to research , something you have not done or you would of been aware of this - Russia is the world's largest mineral and energy supply and is known as an "energy superpower", containing 22% of the world's oil, 16% of the world's coal, and 40% of the world's natural gas. Very well known for its tree's, Russia has 1/5 of the world's timber and wood, no surprise. iron ore, nickel, coal, gold, diamonds, furs, petroleum, zinc, aluminum, tin, lead, platinum, titanium, copper, tungsten phosphates, and mercury are the most popular natural resources that Russia provides. Russia has many advantages, and a few disadvantages, for its very hard to mine up north rather then down south. Below are some short notes about the large amounts of natural resources in Russia: Has the worlds largest oil reserves Second largest coal reserves 1/5 largest lead reserves Largest reserves of water in lakes Largest diamond deposits Second largest potassium reserves Enormous fish reserves Russia's forest resources, also known as Taiga, are larger then America's mainland! Taiga contains 1/3 of the worlds timber, and is home to numerous animal resources Russia also has a population of 142,946,800. yet still u try and tell us that most of there wealth comes from arms dealling . It worries me that someone in youre position can talk such utter nonesense . Quote " 65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD " So Russia had no part in this then ? A war is fougth by the whole nation , not just the Military , from the industry to the merchant navy , the nurses and docters , the police the fire brigade , the farms and fisherman including all the small boats , like at dunkirk . YES the whole population of a nation can have a large affect on a war . Really get some sense and stop talking such rubbish . Please
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 04:40 pm Ugh, I can see this topic is going to start hurting my head. lol M2M, that statement was meant for DREW, unless you're running a dual account, keep your prissy little nose out of it. By the way, what do you mean by 'So what !' ? How stupid do you have to be to type that, and no realize what i was corresponding to? Right, now that's settled, moving on. 'You would class 9/11 as a war winning victory for Bin Laden . What rubish . I cant believe u even wrote that , after all the deaths and chaos it brougth to both sides and u call that a vitory , it wasnt even the end of the war so wat are u on about , you say it " got their predicted outcome " -really , u think so , how would u know wat they wanted out off it , just to kill on U.S mainland is all they wanted' You sir, are now the most retarded person on the planet. Not only did the UNITED STATES PRESS, economists, and GENERALS say it was what he had hoped for, but so did half of the worlds investigators. You are seriously, retarded. Sigh, So a simple search on google helped you with that eh? Okay, here is what i know without google. Russia are the top (or second, battle with the US) exporter of arms in the world. This is both from Tanks, aircraft carriers and aircraft. Russia is only well known for their Oil, gas, and lumber. However, they don't import any minerals, rather export them, primarily to the US. Their greatest exports in order of minerals are:- Gas Coal Oil Gold It has many other minerals, as your little research shows, but i'll point them all out when i jump on google. In terms of income, it's something along the lines of:- 1, Gas 2, Arms Deals 3, Oil + Lumber 4, Coal 5, Gold Okay, now for the google research. Russia is known for it's minerals, we know this, everyone knows this. Clearly with your research you still couldn't find everything, so i'll point them out, mr market researcher. Half of these i haven't even heard of in my life, but hell, here they are. This took me about 7 mins to find and confirm among other sites. aluminum arsenic asbestos bauxite boron cadmium cement coal cobalt copper diamond fluorspar gold iron ore lime lithium magnesium compounds metals mica sheet and flake natural gas nickel nitrogen oil shale palladium peat petroleum phosphate potash rhenium silicon sulfur titanium sponge tin tungsten vanadium As for the minerals you said are the most popular that they provide, completely untrue. Read up on the CIA website, and the Russian Business center statements / pdfs. They say exactly the opposite lol. Coal reserves, correct. Lead reserves, more or less correct. Reserves of water in lakes... where did you get that info from lol. Russia are not even close to Iceland, or Canada. Diamond deposits, can be negotiated between Africa and Russia. Potassium, correct Fish reserves, haven't looked into it. Taiga is known world wide. They're located primarily in Siberia, Canada, Alaska, North woods (located in the extreme nothern areas of the US), Sweden and few other areas. That info is researched. The fact that you said RUSSIAS taiga is larger than the US mainland, you should be slapped silly for that. It's huge, yes, but not that big. I don't know what their pop is. It changes daily, so i'm not going to give a figure. Again, i've stated and by doing research how THEY show their income. Maybe i was wrong in saying that most of their income came from Arms, but i was going off 2011 statistics. Though, i wasn't far off. 1 spot in my little table actually, not bad sunny, not bad lol. Then again, if i'm talking nonsense, then surely what they type out in press-releases and gov. statements is nonsense too!? What is the world coming to! 'Quote " 65 million people would not get involved in the war. I'm not sure how you can justify that, i really can't. As for the last two wars, it was the EU and US against 1 country at a time. We all know the second reason why the war was taken up by the US. I've read my history, and done the math, but thanks for trying xD " So Russia had no part in this then ? ' If i reply to that, i'm in a possible situation where-as either of my statements will be wrong, not falling for that. Thank you for giving me a lesson on who is involved in a war. I didn't know, seriously. I didn't even know that DOCTORS would be involved, haha. You clearly don't understand what i mean't when i said 65 million people would not be involved in the war. I think you need to read the statements a good few times, before even typing. It seems you cannot register what i am saying. As you said to me, in a truely unjust manner, 'Really get some sense and stop talking such rubbish. Please'. Anyway, this is getting off-topic. Someone bring it back lol
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 05:07 pm That was the best you could come up with . 1- You now agree with me in that most off Russia wealth does not come from arms dealing alone . thanks 2-You now agree that the population of a nation has a influance in a world war . Thankyou agian . 3- Quote "You sir, are now the most retarded person on the planet. Not only did the UNITED STATES PRESS, economists, and GENERALS say it was what he had hoped for, but so did half of the worlds investigators. You are seriously, retarded." I ask you agian , do you class this as a war winning victory for Bin Ladden ? 4- Why as a person off supposed inteligence do you keep resorting to such personal remarks . Quote " You are seriously, retarded ,Unless you have the facts in-front of you, keep that gobby mouth closed ,Are you on crack son? I think we all know why !
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 09:58 pm Oh for the love of god. I was being civil like 3 posts before this. 1, yes i do agree. you want a cookie with that celebration? 2, *sigh* *shakes head* 3, Do i class it? Yes i do. 4, It's not personal, i wouldn't type anything personal on this game. It's out of sheer frustration that i type some harsh remarks. I'm not going to reply to your posts M2M, it's doing my head in. I'd rather look back to what DREW was saying, as well as SS.
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| Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 11:16 pm OK i will let you of the hook after this . If Bin Laddens victory was to drag the U.S and its close Allies into the mother off all wars in the middle east , than it failed . He is dead , all the top men involved are dead , there organising is vstly reduced and the whole of the Muslim world has not erupted into war . The goverment that harboured them has been de-governed . It has been a hard figth and the U.S have taking the brunt of must of it follwed by its close friend us the U.K , but the 9/11 was no victory for Bin Ladden , was a bad bad mistake .he totally mijudged the reaction of the world . Surely you can see that . Thanks for the debate and i look forwared to the next . M2M
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| Monday, October 8, 2012 - 12:43 am *added PALM to my list. MantoArms, you better be praying that I LET YOU off the hook. You do NOT argue wif Sunshine like that. Only I can argue wif Sunshine like that!!!! You are now number 1 on my list!!!! Sunshine, KILL him!!!!!
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| Monday, October 8, 2012 - 12:46 am Drew, please be kind to my Sunshine. I have a soft spot for him and feel protective. But I loves ya, I would NEVER put you on my list. But this M2M person....they on da list!!!
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| Monday, October 8, 2012 - 01:07 am Ok , to get back on to topic . I do not profes to be a expert , just my thougts based on the info i think i know . If it came to a war . Lets but this into three stages . 1- Nukes , let us assume that if came to this then no one wins , god forbid . So assume were talking conventional war . 2- The intital skirmish with military and hardware allready in place . The intitail reaction off Allies . 3- The long term world war , Industry - how much , wat quality and how quick they can produce . The type of regruitment , numbers , capacity to train and quality . Who wwill win the numbers game . Japan and China declare war , I dont think Russia would jump in unless the U.S does , i think the U.S would be very reluctant but any attack by China would drag them in , dont think they would have a choice , japan despite having there Military cap lifted is still far outnumbered by China , the U.S would have to offer them protection , this would bring Russia into it . North Korea would instantly suppport China , in fact they would probally drag the U.S in well before any China Japan hostilities with an attack on South Korea . Not sure at what piont Austalia and new zealand would support the U.S and Japan , but they will . Singapore would be quick to support the U.S and the Chinese would be just as quick to attack them , there small but well armed and equipt woth a lot of motivation . Not sure about the rest Phillipines , Malaysa . India would stay out of it , they will be watching Pakistan , there actions will be a direct reaction to any moves Pakistan makes . Iran would jump at the chance , Turkey , Isreal and Saudi would prob dominate the middle east in support of the U.S . North Africa -Eygept , Libya .... and not sure . Europe would be pretty concerned with Russia , any move by them westwards and a lot of countrys are going to mobilise against them , think of countries like Poland and the late East Germany , they will figth tooth and nail . phew ..... my thougths on the start .
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| Monday, October 8, 2012 - 01:51 am To all of saying Russia would come for China, please explain to me why a war involving China and Japan would evolve into a Russian matter? What treaty have the Russian and the Chinese signed to warrant mutual defence/offence? As for my thoughts on the probability of war, they are slim to nil.
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| Monday, October 8, 2012 - 02:26 am I Agree , there is slim to no chance of war . I believe Russia would get involved as a direct reaction to any U.S involvment . I have noticed a lot more mutual supportive decisions being made by China and Russia of late . Althougth it has to be accepted that Russia and China historically have had a lot of disputes on there borders .
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 11:19 am Thanks Lorelei I don't know the buttons for the smilies. So (super big huge awesome smiley face) in text form ;). Sorry I haven't been in the chat or haven't commented on any of your fun conversations I've just been real busy lately. I hope all is well with you. I just like these threads more. @ Sunny sometimes I'm consciencous sometimes I'm hyped. Sometimes I try to be careful how I say things, sometimes I don't. I mean no real disrespect, but I don't think knowing volume changes or resource quanity makes you a better indicator of diplomacy, fighting ability, demographics, or a lot of things you claim. I started animosity off the bat, so I am sorry, but a lot of your information is flawed. Russis is a poor nation relative to most of Europe and the US. It cannot keep up with the US on Weapons technology, this is a very very true statement. This problem becomes exasberrated when it puts forth some of the programs it has been doing. Taking the forefront in space is expensive. Becoming the primary researching country of nuclear fuel possibilities is very expensive also. These statements are true. The amount of money the US invests in military research crushes the rest of the world. Unless the US has to go around hunting people they won't lose a war against anyone. <- That may be an exagerration but no one country is gaurenteed. I spoke my honest opinion about the other countries involvement, and I believe in those statements. Especially that of Mexico not warring the US. I have mountains of paperwork about the Chinese Economy with China's economic situation I feel I'm more informed about there financial situation then 99% of chinese people. So I do know what I'm talking about. It would really be nice if you didn't keep bringing my name up and yet not have the courtesy to read what I wrote for you, or what is written in direct response to your posts. Anywho have a good day. The reality of this mess is Laguna is almost assuredly correct. If Japan and China fought, outside of supplies there would be a very small chance any other nation would sacrifice their lives or their money to get involved. In that regard I think China would win, but the devastation China would take would be astronomically and there would no question of Chinas economic fate afterwards. Too many huge population centers for China do war anyone really without losing even if they win they lose.
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 02:29 pm I can see a few different scenarios evolving, depending on who is in power at the same time, and who loses their senses first. 1: North Korea decides to take advantage of the situation and invades South Korea, threatening japan with annhilation if they make a move. China supports N Korea, always has, and will probably lend a few million troops if the war lasts more than a week.Japan, justly terrified, calls on the U.S. for protection. The U.S. writes a strongly worded letter to N Korea, suggesting that it should play nice. No response except reprisals against U.S. citizens, S Korean civilians, etc. The U.S. bombs Nkorea to the stone age, China pulls back its forces, and everyone starts breathing again. 2: It is now 2025, no one remembers WW2, and there are now 2 Billion Chinese and 2 Billion Indians and pakistanis needing "Lebensraum" (living space, a la Hitler, 1938). Russia is still largely comparatively empty, so the hordes pour across the borders wherever they can, settlers supported by the military of the respective governments. (Yes, I know India and Russia don't share a common border, but envision large populaton displacements in that direction). China's reasoning would be that it has nothing to lose, and can afford to lose 1 million people every day. At this rate, it would take many years to reduce the population to a non-viable condition, as they would be being replaced by births. And they are not going to lose 1 million every day, anyway. Russia panics, tries conventional war, fails, and nukes china, india, and pakistan. china nukes Russia, india nukes russia and pakistan (their mortal enemy), pakistan nukes everyone, and in the melee, a few missiles go astray and hit iran . Iran immediately nukes israel just for general purposes, then suicidally launches against france and germany, thereby drawing the whole of europe, and by extension, the U.S., into the mess. Israel, meanwhile, has launched on warning, turning iran into a self-lighting glass parking lot. All of Israel's neighbors join in attacking israel, and the entire middle east is soon a festive bouquet of fireballs and mushroom clouds (sarcasm alert). The war finally ends with the middle east uninhabitable for the next 8000 years, china, russia, the indian subcontinent and most of europe devastated and crippled, and the U.S and the rest of the world thrown into total chaos from lack of fuel and "cheap goods". Society breaks down, people panic and slaughter each other in the streets, martial law is declared, and civilization is set back 200 years. - These are two extremes, but are both possible if someone loses common sense, or an accident or incident of the right magnitude occurs. Welcome to the new geopolitics, kids. Kinda makes me lonesome for the good old days of the cold war, when at least everything was predictable and the rest of the world just watched the two big guys on the block...
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 03:52 pm It's no problem, Drew. My life has turned super busy too........ plotting the demise of certain players in this game. Between that and painting my nails and deciding what outfit and boots to wear, I can hardly find time to post as well!!! :P Drew, dun worry. I like the less "intellectual" threads, ones where I dun have to think. ha ha ha ha But do come visit me on one of MINE. :P
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 08:30 pm lol i didnt even read this and i know sunny doesnt really know what hes talking about
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| Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - 10:04 pm You leave Sunshine alone, Alexandrov Stolin. You are already on my list of those to die. I just put another star by your name. Your death will be slow and painful, I assure you!
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 05:58 pm Holy hell, i'm away from this for a day or two and all hell explodes. Laguna, there is no PUBLIC treaty that can be looked at, or spoken of. What there is however is the RIC. Russia - India - China triangle. This is largely based upon their academic, industrial and business communities. They have already set up subsidiaries like RIC Trilateral Experts Meeting on Disaster Management, Trilateral Business Forum, and Trilateral Academic Scholars Dialogue, and held other trilateral projects and conferences in these specialised fields. It is this expanding component of trilateral initiatives that remain the backbone of their growing mutual comfort and expanding weight relative to their global perspectives and aspirations. That is what I BELIEVE would initiate the 'treaty'. I once again state, as i said near the beginning of my fudging posts, i doubt they'll even be a war. As you asked me not to bring up your name, i'll call you no.1, in a respective manner. 'yet not have the courtesy to read what I wrote for you, or what is written in direct response to your posts.' Please quote or direct me to a piece of text where i did not respond directly to what you said. I read everything people write, and i respond back to them in the manner that is deemed fit, at the time, if i'm not going loco. 'a lot of your information is flawed' The majority of my information comes from investors, the CIA database, and press releases from various companies. I do no stick to one company, i expand my search, and yes, in some cases, i randomly select companies and look at their data. If my information is flawed, then so is the information they release? In terms of weapon tech, i never said they kept up. I was discussing the SALES that Russia makes. Information relayed off the CIA database and world press releases. 'The amount of money the US invests in military research crushes the rest of the world.' I don't disagree, i said in a earlier post when mentioning China, (who is second) in budget, that the US is far superior. China is second. The US i think have a 900B$ gap between China? as of 2012? I'm not sure of the exact figure, but i could look it up. The US actually have 670b$ set aside for next year, whereas China only have 116B$ set aside. Still, a huge gap, and even further ahead of Russia. So no1, i don't know why you mentioned it, when i never disagreed with it in the first place... 'Unless the US has to go around hunting people they won't lose a war against anyone.' Exaggeration isn't even the word. Look what happened at Pearl Harbor. Shocked the world. It could have been it for the US, COULD being the key word. Before that, the US knew nothing but defeat. After, it knew nothing but victory, minus a few wars. Yes no.1 if you are specifically involved in Chinese affairs, you will have a better knowledge about them, than i. In regards to having more knowledge than the Chinese people, i'd say that's a little OTT. As i said, my information comes from companies and reports, and that's what i currently go by. I'm not going to fly out to China just to see 'what's up' unless i have time to burn. Have a good day, and i look forward to your reply, if you reply. Mac, haha that post made me laugh. It is extreme but i love this part the most lol:- Israel, meanwhile, has launched on warning, turning iran into a self-lighting glass parking lot. All of Israel's neighbors join in attacking israel, and the entire middle east is soon a festive bouquet of fireballs and mushroom clouds (sarcasm alert). The war finally ends with the middle east uninhabitable for the next 8000 years, china, russia, the indian subcontinent and most of europe devastated and crippled, and the U.S and the rest of the world thrown into total chaos from lack of fuel and "cheap goods". Society breaks down, people panic and slaughter each other in the streets, martial law is declared, and civilization is set back 200 years. Love it lol Alex, jump on the bandwagon with people who say i don't know anything. My information as stated to no1, is (read up). However, typing that, do you know anything about... well... anything? Lore <3 No need to add people like that to the list, they'll eventually go insane and nuke themselves :D haha I look forward to any replies. Good day all
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 06:16 pm War It's war, all out war Between me, myself, and I It's war, all out war Between the the needle and the eye It's war, all out war Between the voices in my head It's war, all out war Between the feathers and the lead It's war, all out war Between desire and sudden death It's war, all out war Between the woman and her last breath It's war, all out war Between the people clad in black It's war, all out war Between the love that they now lack It's war, all out war Between the man and his strife It's war, all out war Between his love and his new life It's war, all out war Between the heart and the head It's war, all out war As the man falls over dead Claire Borges
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| Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 08:08 pm @Sunshine, It's okay. I likes having a list... a loooooooong list. It makes me happy. :-) :P :-) @Crafty, Thank you for sharing this wonderful, poetic representation of war, and what it's good for. *HUGS* It inspires me to kill people on my list. 'course the only thing I gots out of it is War, War, War, War, War. :P Oooooooh were we talking about real life and not Sim life? Is Sim life not real life???? ha ha ha :P
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 05:03 am sorry sunny like I said I didn't read it because this whole topic is retarded
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:11 am Sunny, I was merely refering to the statements you made about not ready my posts.
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 04:09 pm Alex, I removed the star. Now you will just die. I'll make it quick. lol :P
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 07:16 pm Sunshine, where are you? Are you building a massive army of killers for me? I need a progress report!
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 09:53 pm EEEEKKK. I've been busy over the last few days, with playing Guild Wars 2 lol I'll get right back on it ma'am. OORAH to burning every little piece of money my country has!
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| Thursday, October 11, 2012 - 10:06 pm Sunshine, come to chat. I'm trying to get peeps to come there and everyone is ignoring me. I'm getting a complex and feeling unliked and unloved. *cries Stop playing Guild Wars 2!!! SCOWL! We have ppl to kill!!!! :P
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| Sunday, October 14, 2012 - 05:23 am Yay for me. Another popular thread creation. Team USA for the win.
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| Monday, October 15, 2012 - 11:47 am @Sunny: Yeah, it is a little extreme, but not implausible, imo. And I got a bang out of describing it, lol.
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| Monday, October 15, 2012 - 04:51 pm Hiya Tom Morgan. Where have you been hiding? Good to see you!
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| Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 01:24 am Lore, no-one is selling me weps No wep, no war, no war, no fun, no fun, no shopping, no shopping, NO SHOES OR COOKIES! Mac, haha good to see ya still cracking some jokes. Might come back to KB, and lower your financial empire to pennies! :P How's ye empire anyway bud?
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| Monday, October 22, 2012 - 04:05 pm Doing pretty good, actually. My enterprise is finally showing a decent profit, countries too. I do a lot of manual supply, to try to optimize profit. Still room to tweak things here and there, tho. How's yours?
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| Monday, October 22, 2012 - 05:16 pm To ALL of Simcountry, You best start selling Sunshine some weapons. If your lack of helping out my mate here affects me in not getting shoes or cookies, LORELEI WILL NOT BE HAPPY!!!! You all have been warned!!!
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| Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 10:54 am Manual supply? What the fruck... That must take up a good lot of your time? lol Fair play though mate, you've stuck by your empire and this game, which in turn, you've got the rewards for. Lore, no one is. I given up. How can i go to war without PB's lol. That's JUST so i can get to WL 3 fast :/ Meh.
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| Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 03:28 pm Pro-Japan! Oh I can't supply weapons...
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| Friday, October 26, 2012 - 01:56 am Credentials 2 BA's 1 MA Series 7, 64, 65 Fund Manager for Insurance Company The only one here who has 55% and above of what they are saying is right is Drew, and I say 55% because he is wrong in some parts. Drew seems to understand some notions of internation politics, economics and geopolitical issues. As for the rest of you where did most of you go to school. I went to USC, and did my Masters at Stanford. Look battles and major wars between the 4 powers and the solesuperpower will no longer be fought in major battles but will be fought in small battles across the world. Be it economics or actual small battles like afganistan, iran, libya, egypt, and so on and so forth. Before you all begin to question the might of the US military look at these weapons and some are not weapons but can be used as such. Boeing X-37, Gerald R. Ford class aircraft carrier and many others. The US is 15 years ahead of Russia in military tech and 25 years ahead of China. Also it is 25 years ahead of Russia in military capacity and 45 years ahead of China in military capacity. In order to project military force one must have military capacity. No other country comes close to the US in military capacity. Last but not least I will name the allies of the US and all possible allies. All Nato Members, Israel, India, Japan, Auzi, New Z, Mexico, south Korea, and like 35 others, but is there really a point to name them. The US has best location possible, its in between the two biggest oceans in the world, the pacific and the atlantic, it controls the worlds trade trade both by sea and land. The US is also part of the biggest free trade area in the world, Canada and Mexico with trade at 20T+, no others come close. The US also is deploying its new battlesships and aircraft carries over the next few years that will project military power over all the world. And with its new X37B and the newer models we can weaponize space without the world knowing, which is why many enemies of the US are scared of this technology.
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| Friday, October 26, 2012 - 09:42 am Japan is just a pawn of containment for the western powers. The West believes that if they control the countries around the SouthEast Asia, they can contain China. This is the World War 3 Senario. The US Economy crashes, and dollars are worthless. One world currency is introduced, which uspets China because they have the most dollars in currency reserves. EU becomes western Superpower followed by Israel, and the US, and its allies. Israel strikes Iran with Nuclear weapons. This nuclear attack is counted with a Nuclear defense rocket, and they kill all the life in the Euphrates river which upsets all the Arab nations. Turkey attacks Syria, EU attacks Libya, and that upsets Russia, even after Russia showed restraint when Israel launched nuclear weapons. Now you have Russia, China, Iran, and all non aligned Arab and Latin nations fighting with the East, and you have in the west The US, Israel, and the Arab monarchs, and the imperial latinos, lead by the EU who has a World Ruler at this point, and the Pope has now gained political power to shape world events, and has moved to Israel in Jerusalem in the 3rd temple they have built. This also angers the none aligned arabs. Now all the None aligned Arab countries attack Israel, and the EU and US defend them, and Russia, China, Iran, and the East all end up fighting in the Sinai Desert. Then comes the end.
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| Friday, October 26, 2012 - 03:27 pm Quote " Credentials 2 BA's 1 MA Series 7, 64, 65 Fund Manager for Insurance Company " WOW , that must make you so much better than all us . We bow to youre supremacy . LOL
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