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Sharp drop in income tax

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Jo

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08 Feb 2013 17:32Link
Something must have changed in the game engine ... :(

Every single one of my countries, 16 in total, on WG and GR, experienced a sudden drop in income tax. This amounted to around 3B SC$ a month in my 100M pop countries on WG, and around 1B SC$ per month in my 57M pop countries on GR.

The drop happened in October 3099 on GR and in September 3027 on WG. Has anyone else seen that?

Some of my countries have experienced earthquakes or lost corps recently, but others are incredibly stable. It's definitely not anything I've done. Is there a GM around who can tell us what was changed, and whether income tax payments will gradually move back to the original levels. It's playing hell with my FI ... :(

Hugs and respect

Jo
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Laguna

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 18:23Link
After nerfing the pension funds and leaving them at that, this must another entry in the "You're too successful for my taste" series.

However, my countries on LU haven't experienced anything.

Also, I still don't see why the Finance index isn't just a ratio of income/expenses. This isn't a service, so it shouldn't exhibit diminishing returns.
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Stephen Ryan

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 19:15Link
Im running at a loss something is afoot lol nothing new here hard to make a buck easy too spend it game is just about done compared to when i first started 10 years ago i dont have too explain myself.
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Crafty

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 20:01Link
Drop in income tax noticed on GR too Jo

Employment rate not changing, hence total income of workers not changing.

Along with the drop in tax income is the drop in contribution to health and education.
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SuperSoldierRCP

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 20:58Link
I noticed drops to

My thought is maybe the GM is lowering Taxes in order to allow populations to buy higher Q consumer goods? If they are there still needs to be a few more revisions done before that will happen,

OR MAYBE THEY LOWERING IT AND NEXT UPDATE WE CAN SET OUR OWN TAX RATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rick

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 22:51Link
Same here, Oct 3099 on GR

Drop in tax, and contributions to health and edu.
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Crafty

All worlds
08 Feb 2013 22:56Link
GR needed an economic stimulation package. More free cash - more spending - more GM er... world growth. Anyways, I love GR for its money.
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Jo

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 00:07Link
Thanks everyone for confirming, and Rick for noticing the other factors ... yes I can confirm a drop in education and health contributions at exactly the same time.

@SS ... if this is a prelude to us being able to set our own income tax rate, then I would be VERY happy. Otherwise ... :(

@Laguna ... I'm not that paranoid and I'm reluctant to believe that this is personal. Surely the GMs wouldn't do that just because I was getting very close to level 16? But it's true that the drop may make the difference between me achieving it and not achieving it :(

Has anyone else on LU seen a drop, or is it just on WG and GR?

GMs ... Andy ... Robocop ... please can you explain what is happening!

Hugs and respect

Jo
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Crafty

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 13:05Link
Pffft... there ya go, Rick rolled claiming all the glory again! It was humble little CC posted about the health and edu first :p, but I'm not a uber famous pop star am I? oh no, the minions dont count, all about the rich and famous... (turns my back and walks away mumbling...)
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Andy

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 13:31Link
Tax numbers are now less than 50% of what they were a year ago.

We are measuring income and cost.
both continue to drop and profits remain constant or increasing.

Please read recent game news and explanation of the long term trends in numbers in general.

Discussing reduction in income without any mentioning of even larger reductions in cost prevents us from going into details and from providing exact figures of what and how much.
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Jo

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 17:43Link
Ooops, yes you did mention it first, sorry for missing that. And you'll always be a pop star to me, Crafty ~hugs~

Thanks for the explanation, Andy! Are you planning for us to be able to set our own income tax anytime soon? Perhaps linked to welfare so that there are penalties as well as benefits?

Hugs and respect

Jo
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Laguna

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 18:36Link
Stuff like this is never personal. Nor is there any reason for it to be personal. They do, however, hit the most successful players more frequently and more intensively.

The way this will work will be pretty much the same: events that departure from the mean will be even scarcer.

At least we aren't linking costs (or incomes) to the financial index. That would just be a cliché.
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Josias

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 19:38Link
with the last update, over all, all my countries are making the same, or more than they were. some, a really good chunk. i guess it comes down to how you run your country.

the only thing that concerns me, and i have yet to mail the GM, is tht my countries are now auto buying upgrades that i did not order, or set in the the order strats.
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Crafty

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 19:58Link
Forced military quality upgrade? You know it makes sense.
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Rick

All worlds
09 Feb 2013 23:48Link
OK, I'll fess up. I didn't actually notice any changes, I just copied craftys post.

Ya know, forced military upgrades make sense....care to comment on that Jo?
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Josias

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 01:49Link
not sure forced military upgrade would be how to say it. I set the upgrade levels to all my stuff to max. Knowing that i would never be able to afford to keep enough upgrades to keep up. but would be able to buy chunks from time to time. but for some reason, the country recognizes the gap, and is auto-ordering the upgrades.

i've cancel the purchase orders, (one country had a several pending orders for 38M AQU,) so far they seem to be ok. if it continues i'll ask the GM for help, i mean, i want the upgrades, but i can't afford them at that speed.

i've also lowered the fighting Q for allot of units, to see if that helps.
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Jo

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 03:42Link
LOL Rick ... this game is better, the more decisions that are left to individual players. So I wouldn't support 'forced' anything.

Hugs and respect

Jo
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Rick

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 05:28Link
Ah hell Crafty, Jo doesn't agree with ya!
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Andy

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 10:46Link
The purchasing system for all products you use is automatic unless you turn it off in the settings.

The ordering is based on the number of products your country uses each game month and you can set order strategies in the trade menu.
If any upgrades have been ordered, it means that there is a monthly use.

products you may have and are not used on monthly bases, are not ordered automatically.
Anyway, you can set your own strategy for each product.
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Crafty

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 12:34Link
It's ok Rick, you can think and speak for yourself, honestly, you can.
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Josias

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 16:08Link
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Anyway, you can set your own strategy for each product. -andy <!-/Quote-!>



yes, andy, in the order strategies, i chose to not order quality upgrades. nothing changed, except my country ordering them, with out me telling it to.

it was working one way, and with out me doing anything, its working another way. as in needing them, not having them and not ordering them to them being ordered with out me even knowing. several of my countries took severe cash hits, and debt.

i want the upgrades, but i can not afford them at the speed they are being auto-ordered
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Crafty

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 21:54Link
I think it must be like the ammo thing that happened Josias. It was recently made that if your country is using something it will auto order them. All you can do is toggle the upgrading buttons I suppose.
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Rick

All worlds
10 Feb 2013 22:59Link
Thanks Crafty, I think I can...I think I can.
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Jo

All worlds
11 Feb 2013 01:34Link
/shaking finger at Crafty and Rick

Now, now, gentlemen. I am used to people of the male persuasion fighting over me, but I refuse to be made to be the referee.

Be nice guys! I love you both equally, in different ways ;)

Hugs and respect

Jo

PS: I'm really liking the tone of the forum these days. Much more respect, positivity and rationality, and much less trash talking ...

#theworldisbecomingabetterplace

:)
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Josias

All worlds
11 Feb 2013 05:10Link
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PS: I'm really liking the tone of the forum these days. Much more respect, positivity and rationality, and much less trash talking ... -Jo S<!-/Quote-!>



you know, allot of people like the trash talk. with out it, no one can actually do anything.

stop crowding it out. you are shooting yourself in the foot.