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Andy
All worlds
22 Oct 2014 22:53Link
When countries are close to bankruptcy the system tries to save them.
This "Support" function has been there for a long time and we have now made an effort to improve the process.
The repair process as described below is in place for a long time. We have now tested it for a very long period, and have tuned it at some points to make sure it continues all the time until it is completed.
What is "Close to Bankruptcy"?
When cash is lower than a certain threshold (currently -1T) OR the total value of materials in the country is negative, we call the country "Close to Bankruptcy".
(The negative -1T may move to -2T but currently it is -1T).
When cash goes lower than this limit, the system starts making an effort to repair the finances.
Purchasing of products stops, part of the army goes into the reserves, units are dismantled and more weapons go to the reserves.
Mobi
This "Support" function has been there for a long time and we have now made an effort to improve the process.
The repair process as described below is in place for a long time. We have now tested it for a very long period, and have tuned it at some points to make sure it continues all the time until it is completed.
What is "Close to Bankruptcy"?
When cash is lower than a certain threshold (currently -1T) OR the total value of materials in the country is negative, we call the country "Close to Bankruptcy".
(The negative -1T may move to -2T but currently it is -1T).
When cash goes lower than this limit, the system starts making an effort to repair the finances.
Purchasing of products stops, part of the army goes into the reserves, units are dismantled and more weapons go to the reserves.
Mobi
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Lucky
All worlds
22 Oct 2014 23:13Link
1T close to bankruptcy? That is a pittance Andy and should be much higher. I have went into that amount negative many times by accident. Buying up weapons and such.
To think that my units will start dismantling etc isn't cool.
I will add, having been in war with 8 countries. This neg ammo is a real pain in the neck. Having to make sure every country has positive ammo always or risk loosing my army is hard to manage and so easy to make a mistake. We need atleast a little time to fix it before the army goes?
To think that my units will start dismantling etc isn't cool.
I will add, having been in war with 8 countries. This neg ammo is a real pain in the neck. Having to make sure every country has positive ammo always or risk loosing my army is hard to manage and so easy to make a mistake. We need atleast a little time to fix it before the army goes?
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Andy
All worlds
22 Oct 2014 23:51Link
It was -3T for a long time and we had not even one complaint.
prices are now at least 50% lower than at the time it was set to -3T.
also of course, you can take loans.
loans are limited too but 10T of loans will get you very far.
negative cash does not exist.
you cannot spend when there is no money, you take a loan.
so the limit is not -1T.
It is -1T plus all the loans you can take.
prices are now at least 50% lower than at the time it was set to -3T.
also of course, you can take loans.
loans are limited too but 10T of loans will get you very far.
negative cash does not exist.
you cannot spend when there is no money, you take a loan.
so the limit is not -1T.
It is -1T plus all the loans you can take.
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Lucky
All worlds
22 Oct 2014 23:58Link
If you's didn't have a complaint why change it? -3T is much more of a buffer than -1T.
So it's -11T before weapons get deactivated? Does the auto loans still kick in when Neg cash?
So it's -11T before weapons get deactivated? Does the auto loans still kick in when Neg cash?
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Lucky
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:00Link
Andy pls see my post in the Problems page about invincible mobile units.
Stop Ignoring me
Stop Ignoring me
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Andy
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:08Link
You need to ask for the loans to get them.
the loan limit is probably higher than 10T but even at 10T is it huge.
the loan limit is probably higher than 10T but even at 10T is it huge.
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Lucky
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:11Link
Ok so I think -1T is to low in that case. Deactivating my gear because of a meesly -1T shortage is harsh.
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Andy
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:12Link
The numbers in the game decline.
prices used to be 10 times higher and much more.
-3T was a small amount.
we decrease the numbers gradually to get into more "realistic" figures.
a precision bomber used to sell for 1.5 Billions.
1000 used to be 1.5T.
everything came down, spending limits too.
prices used to be 10 times higher and much more.
-3T was a small amount.
we decrease the numbers gradually to get into more "realistic" figures.
a precision bomber used to sell for 1.5 Billions.
1000 used to be 1.5T.
everything came down, spending limits too.
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Lucky
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:19Link
Yes I've noticed the falling numbers and I'm unlikely to fall that far into neg numbers. But still, maybe I do by not logging in for a bit. Deactivating or force selling my stuff is extreme.
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Andy
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:27Link
Selling your stuff does not happen for a very long time.
You should really make sure you can transfer money into the country if needed and prevent the support functions from going into action.
make sure you have +5T in cash and everything will be fine.
countries these days can be very profitable and it is improving all the time.
You should really make sure you can transfer money into the country if needed and prevent the support functions from going into action.
make sure you have +5T in cash and everything will be fine.
countries these days can be very profitable and it is improving all the time.
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Lucky
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 00:49Link
I was referring to the neg ammo with regards to the forced selling. I thinks it's too harsh.
Suggestion. Why doesn't the game take out auto loans? I'm pretty sure it used to when you went negative? Take out loans up to the max 10T to pay for any neg ammo or supply the neg cash.
After 10T loans then start selling/deactivating.
10T maybe to much. Make it 5T. Just give the player more of a chance to fix the issue.
Suggestion. Why doesn't the game take out auto loans? I'm pretty sure it used to when you went negative? Take out loans up to the max 10T to pay for any neg ammo or supply the neg cash.
After 10T loans then start selling/deactivating.
10T maybe to much. Make it 5T. Just give the player more of a chance to fix the issue.
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Andy
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 08:19Link
You do not have negative ammo.
you are warned long before it happens and you just make sure you have ammo.
why do you need weapons when you do not have ammo?
this case is closing as many are buying their ammo now and the negative numbers gradually disappear.
There was only a small group who "used" this "feature" and in all cases we have seen they had lots of ammo in their empire.
There were many complaints against auto loans.
they are available in some cases but experienced players are required to manage their finances.
Also here, many of the countries with negative cash are part of empires with huge amounts of money available.
not fixing these countries is a choice.
not a very good choice.
If you have an empire, you must take care of all the countries or discard them and keep those you want to develop.
you are warned long before it happens and you just make sure you have ammo.
why do you need weapons when you do not have ammo?
this case is closing as many are buying their ammo now and the negative numbers gradually disappear.
There was only a small group who "used" this "feature" and in all cases we have seen they had lots of ammo in their empire.
There were many complaints against auto loans.
they are available in some cases but experienced players are required to manage their finances.
Also here, many of the countries with negative cash are part of empires with huge amounts of money available.
not fixing these countries is a choice.
not a very good choice.
If you have an empire, you must take care of all the countries or discard them and keep those you want to develop.
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Jackwagen
All worlds
23 Oct 2014 21:36Link
How can I take loans if I can't log in
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Jackwagen
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 04:55Link
" Thank you for trying to help. I paid $36 USD to play this game, and now any of my entity that's below -1T debt has been blocked from me to play. Yet the W3C keeps on playing these entities to when they reach -14T before turning them off from me? Everything the current procedures do have not help me, including building corps to have zero production or corps which have large surplus on the market, or these state corps just get destroy by rebellions. Lowering salaries to destroy my welfare indexes, raising tax to deter CEOs to build in my countries, and so on. My assets in SC are more than 5.6Q SC$ while total debts less than 275T SC$, so what is the logic that I cannot repay my debts?
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craigwilliamson79
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 05:07Link
Hmm...It would make sense to allow players access to indebted countries as often as they like...how else can they turn the debt around?
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Rage Fury
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 05:21Link
I agree with Craig. It does not make sense to cut them off from the entire thing, they should at least have access to the systems they could use to turn the debt around with.
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Andy
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 15:13Link
Not true and confusing players.
You can easily login into any country if your assets are as you describe.
If you have the money, you can transfer some to the country and make it cash positive.
make sure it has no material shortages and all GM interventions will stop immediately.
Instead, some are keeping huge amounts of money in some countries and keep other countries far below zero.
Bankruptcy is disastrous as the debt of the country is transferred to the main country.
we are trying to prevent it by invoking these procedures.
The support system, is building profitable corporations, reducing cost and in time, repairs the country economy.
If you think you can do better, you are welcome to do it yourself.
We have now seen a case where a badly dented country that should have been bamkrupted, was improving steadily, improving employment and it would eventually come out of this situation.
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You can easily login into any country if your assets are as you describe.
If you have the money, you can transfer some to the country and make it cash positive.
make sure it has no material shortages and all GM interventions will stop immediately.
Instead, some are keeping huge amounts of money in some countries and keep other countries far below zero.
Bankruptcy is disastrous as the debt of the country is transferred to the main country.
we are trying to prevent it by invoking these procedures.
The support system, is building profitable corporations, reducing cost and in time, repairs the country economy.
If you think you can do better, you are welcome to do it yourself.
We have now seen a case where a badly dented country that should have been bamkrupted, was improving steadily, improving employment and it would eventually come out of this situation.
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Andy
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 15:22Link
We will let players and the automatic support function some time to repair countries.
At the end however, we will require players to fix such countries or drop them.
A country that has a negative assets value should be either fixed or abandoned.
Most countries with negative assets are part of large empires. Small players rarely have such situations.
At the end however, we will require players to fix such countries or drop them.
A country that has a negative assets value should be either fixed or abandoned.
Most countries with negative assets are part of large empires. Small players rarely have such situations.
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Andy
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 15:25Link
Most countries are currently very profitable if played reasonably or less, and hugely profitable if played well.
The rules for bankruptcy have been shifting in the past years as we tried to prevent it from taking place.
in the coming weeks, we will exactly define and publish the conditions for country bankruptcy and for "Near bankruptcy"
We will also describe what exactly happens when a country is bankrupt, in case it is the only country or in case it is part of an empire.
We will preannounce dates for implementation and then put these functions in place.
The rules for bankruptcy have been shifting in the past years as we tried to prevent it from taking place.
in the coming weeks, we will exactly define and publish the conditions for country bankruptcy and for "Near bankruptcy"
We will also describe what exactly happens when a country is bankrupt, in case it is the only country or in case it is part of an empire.
We will preannounce dates for implementation and then put these functions in place.
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Rage Fury
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 16:42Link
Ahh so players can log in and fix things. I have encountered negative cash situations and transferred an appropriate amount of cash to fix it. It seemed odd to me that they couldn't do the same. Sounds more like the player did log in and FUBARed things even more, then got slapped on the wrist. Tough luck, no sympathy...
If it works as you have just described, then I have no problem with it at all.
If it works as you have just described, then I have no problem with it at all.
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Andy
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 17:01Link
Most players if it happens to them at all, do just this.
they transfer the amount, most times a small one, go it and fix what needs to be fixed and become profitable.
there is always a way out.
we did not just blocked the way for a player who wants to repair.
they transfer the amount, most times a small one, go it and fix what needs to be fixed and become profitable.
there is always a way out.
we did not just blocked the way for a player who wants to repair.
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Jackwagen
All worlds
24 Oct 2014 18:29Link
Yes I think his situation may have been poorly explained an he doesn't understand the function fully but you can't argue with the principle that people who pay to play a game should actually be able to play it.... Locking people out of their countries and calling it bankruptcy is not a feature
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Andy
All worlds
25 Oct 2014 01:06Link
You can ALWAYS play your countries.
You just need to move some resources into the country.
In that specific case, the player himself stated that he has huge resources.
He just does not want to move some to that country.
It means that he is giving up on the country but does not realize that when it is bankrupt, these negative assets will move to his main country.
If you have an empire, play it and take responsibility.
You just need to move some resources into the country.
In that specific case, the player himself stated that he has huge resources.
He just does not want to move some to that country.
It means that he is giving up on the country but does not realize that when it is bankrupt, these negative assets will move to his main country.
If you have an empire, play it and take responsibility.
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Jackwagen
All worlds
25 Oct 2014 01:19Link
why did you edit my october 24th 4:55am post andy
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Andy
All worlds
25 Oct 2014 01:29Link
Publishing unacceptable text in the name of others does not remove your responsibility.
I wanted to prevent someone here who is watching over it from removing you from the forum or removing the entire post.
Please don't publish for others.
I wanted to prevent someone here who is watching over it from removing you from the forum or removing the entire post.
Please don't publish for others.