Unfair CEO bias

1. I am sick of not being able to do a damn thing about enterprise controlled corperations in my country. Please fix this so i can remove corperations i DO NOT WANT IN MY COUNTRY, BY FORCING THE CORPERATION OUT because i cannot buy the shares back.

2. "Sorry, you cannot close this corporation since there is a bid on this corporation. The only way you can prevent a hostile takeover, is by increasing the market value." - Kind of really stupid when you can check a box that will automatically increase the bid value. So theorectically; that statement is just a giant contradiction to make your accept your failed life. Has no meaning value what so ever.


What is this? I cant do a damn thing but sit back and let players take my stuff?? That is not fair at all, its my corperation why does someone have supieror advantage over my own corporations!?!?! This crap needs to be fixed, instead of wasting time on belly flop worlds. Seriously, i own and control my own corperations... Just because i forget to block CEOs and some fish comes try to eat them does not mean i have to suffer from it.



Countrys can function without Ceos, CEOS cannot function without countrys. Why do CEOs have superior ability to countrys?? Seriously please fix the game, make it more appealing. Thanks.

So to clafiy: I have to raise my market value!!!!!!!

But my hostile bidder just needs to check on box, and they are safe from that?!!!?! Leaving me NO possible options??

Crimson flop, waste of time and slop(if it would have not been 100 gold coins and free start; would have been better) . Seriosly do something for the game now okay? The population is finally getting fixed lets not screw something else, lets fix this stupid ceo problem that would make people quit in a heartbeat to know they are useless and never can do anything again in this game with such certain problems.

PS: not takeing "private corps: THEY ARE USEFUL!!!" as an answer. I dont want them and their owners who do not run them to my standard on my land. End of their stool.

You can turn off CEO access in your countries, so CEOs cannot bid on your state corporations. However, there's nothing you can do to protect your own CEO's corporations, although you do get paid a premium ($100B-$400B) when a player bids and wins your corporation. That also doesn't provide an option for CEO-owned corporations already in your country.

I agree that it is mildly annoying, but that's the way it is. It would be nice to have more options in the economy game, especially to deal with private corporations that are poorly run or neglected by their AWOL owners.

And I have no idea on Crimson One. It doesn't seem to have taken off at all.

It is true that you can block CEOs from setting up corporations in your country but it is also true that the most successful countries are doing good because of these CEO owned corporations.

these corporations are very profitable for the country.
they pay a percentage of their turnover to the country each (game) month.

You're in control of your tax rate. CEOs generally hate high tax.

As a CEO I love the messages from random players asking about a corporation in their random country. I have 1075 corporations in one organization. I am totally going to take the time to look through all of those to make some small change to suit a random person.

I also have 153 CEO corporations in my main country. I am always looking for more. Send them to me.

I make more money with my own state corporations than I do with CEO corps. I just run my corporations better than most players. The only advantage I get from having CEO in my country is to increase the number of house wives and disabled people I can get back into the workforce. I typically only have my own CEO build corps in my own countries to achieve that.

I agree with John G. Each of my counties make almost as much money as my Enterprise with a lot fewer companies. Once you reach the 50% mark on housewives you don't need more CEO corps.

The most successful countries are those run by good leaders not by having a lot of CEO corps.

The owner of a country should have the final word on what corps are in that country. I'll repeat what I posted awhile ago. The CEO owns the corp but the country owns the land it sits on. The owner of the country should have the ability to revoke the lease on that land. Give the CEO 12 months to move it or it will be shut down.

In one of my countries I have a CEO controlled public corp that I want to get rid of. The CEO hasn't been active in over a month. I'm trying to keep it short on workers and loosing money. With the crappy market conditions that's been tough to do.

Johan, why do you buy, build or relocate in an active players country when they do not want you? That person wants to run the country their way and they do not need your help.

The corp was probably there before you started. Otherwise you have the ability to raise taxes or block CEO's.

Either works fine.

Also CEO corps buy all their own materials, pay a percentage to the country for resources used, pay the workers salaries, and pay a tax. There is no possible way a country corporation can be more profitable unless you are a savant like John Gault.

What more do you want? A handjob?

He slithered in while block CEO was unchecked because my Enterprise was building in the country.
The CEO has not been active so the corp will not be moved because of taxes.

Country owned corps are more profitable. Look at the PE ratio for 2 corps, 1 state 1 CEO, with the same product and market value.
The added sales the CEO corp gets for the quality boost is wiped out by the country fee.

What I want is a way to either take ownership of or get rid of that company.

Here is an example. Check out my country Atlas Shrugged. It has finance index of 190 and welfare index of 137. Highest levels on LU right now.

State corporation: Atlas Oil 001, total profit after all expenses paid by corporation is 1.17B.

CEO corporation (my CEO): Vandelay Oil 001, it pays 0.733B in country resources + 0.229B in taxes for a total of 0.962B. Then it pays an additional 0.55B in profit to the actual CEO, not to the country.

So here is the kicker. If the CEO corporation belongs to you, it is more profitable to build CEO corporations in your country because it will pay 1.51B in profit to you, but split between your CEO and country. However, if the CEO belongs to another player, you will only receive the money paid to the country (0.962B), which will be less than what your state corporation can make (1.17B). The main reason why it is less is because state corporations can run at a much lower salary and still maintain 100% hiring because you will have complete control of education levels. 200 is the optimal salary to maximize profit. Try doing that with a CEO and you will see your hiring will tank, whereas with a state corporation, you can manage 100% hiring at 200 salary by running your country well.

So in conclusion: max out ceo corporations from your own CEOs. That lets you build 20 + 20 ceo corps in each of your own countries. This will allow you to max out your disabled and housewives. Then just mass produce state corporations after.

All of these numbers assume fully upgraded corporations btw. When corporations are not upgraded, it is better to have CEO because they always pay country resources used regardless of profitability. But who has non-upgraded corps anyways right?


Oh and one last thing:

I have my tax rate at 30% and it is still better to have state corporations. A lot of players run 0% tax rate, which is completely illogical and actually makes the gap between state and ceo even wider. 0% countries are missing out on huge amounts of profits. I wouldn't recommend that for anyone. I don't even build CEO corps in 0% countries anymore because they are so flooded with corps that they can barely manage employment levels even at 300 salary, and I have no desire to decrease CEO profitability even more by raising salary to keep 100%. I actually build the majority of my corporations in C3 countries because since the C3 updates a few months ago, they actually maintain 100% hiring and welfare indexes well above 100.

I am a CEO and I have three countries in my empire.

More than 300 state owned corporations and almost that ammount owned by my enterprise. I may agree with JG if you wanna spend a lot of time in managing and adjusting each corporation.

I was able to do that with 20-50 corporations. I don't do that anymore. Right now, I would rather set the major parameters and just sit down while the corps make the hard work themselves. In that scenario, I totally agree with Johanas.

CEO owned corps have a number of advantages: the quality and effectivity rates can grow to higher levels. It frees your country from putting extra money when the market goes down. It pays you taxes and profit, if you get a piece of the shares, as I always try to do. It employ people so you dont have to put money in building corps.
So, if it minimizes the risk and gives a good payback, I definitely don't see them as a problem - all the opposite.

That is why I encourage CEOs to come in. My taxes are set at 20% maximum and I will never raise above that.


Finally, just to also agree with Johanas against what was said in the original post: I dont think the CEO owned corps "steal" anything. They pay for everything that they take from the country...

Just my five cents...

I'm not sure what kind of micromanaging you think I am doing. I set my settings once and never touch them again. I will even share them for everyone so you can emulate for yourselves the profitability you can achieve with state corporations versus allowing other CEOs into your country.

Salary = 200
Supply Quality = 210
Purchase Strategy = Best
Sale Strategy = Best

Simple as that. Don't set salary to 200 with your CEO or you will go broke. This will only work for state corporations in a country that is managed properly.

Hi John Galt,

Would like to ask, with Salary = 200, what is the corporation 'Production Level' at welfare index of 137 (is this country welfare index or corporation welfare index?)?

Hi Yam,

It is 121%.

It is a nice try; but again there is not something people are understanding.

I do not care if i can block them or not, OR if they are more profitable then state corperations. Someone HAS BOUGHT SHARES from a corporation that i cannot ever buy back, and they are not keeping up with the maintence as well as with the rest of my country. So if the corp is unsucessful, or i do not want it i just have to deal with it? As to note; block CEOs does not work when it is acquired through share.

So regardless, if a corporation makes profit or does not; if i do not want it in my country; i just have to deal with it? Seems kind of unfair. But i guess thats non of my business. Its my country, why does someone else get to lock down in MY country??? Yawn.

I just do not like some enterprise-controlled corperations in my countrys. Oh and yes, john gault not just a savant; CEOs who do not optimize can be beat by those
players who do in state corporations. But a CEO who does optimize corps will always (ofcourse) be worth more as the product goes to a high standard then state (225vs200)

Natural Adder,

If you are the largest shareholder of a Public Corporation, you can close it. Even if you can't buy all the shares.

Even if you are not the controlling shareholder, then you can still Nationalize the Corp. Allowing you to do whatever you want with it.

You can block CEOs from your country. However, public companies are well... public. So if you take your Corporations public, any Enterprise or Investment fund is going to be able to buy shares. If you do not want this, then keep them as State Corps.

Signed President of DanNation on LU

My Two Cents on the subject

With the Exception of DanieL. I have haven't heard anyone mention that if you don't want your corps bought make them national. I have two countries and an Enterprise. In one country I have three National corps the other I have one. The rest are up for grabs if a CEO wants the others they can have them.

I look at it this way. If the buy a corp then I get the Market value a them some. The corp stays in my country so I get the tax plue the enterpise fee for using country resources, and get the Income tax from the citizens having jobs. If they move the corp out of my country I get the money from that and build new corp.

Also, as previously stated, public corps are, public. Anyone can buy them at that point. No rules that says you have to take a company public. I do when I can I have a two fold stratagy behind it that I won't reveal here don't want to give away all my secrets. But again if someone bought it I'd be fine with that as well

The line I draw is a don't hostile bid other CEO corp. As CEO's have no proctection or recourse for that.

One last thing. A question related two this. If a request a corp be build in a player country how long do they have to respond. If they don't respond. Does the request sit there, get approved, or get denied?

Natural, I agree with you. I have an absentee slumlord in my country and can't do anything about it until his account is cancelled. There should be a way for a leader to seize control of or destroy something in their country that they do not want.

Daniel, you cannot nationalize a public corp, it tells you that you must buy shares.

As John G said ceo corps are only more profitable within your empire because the added country fee goes to your own country.

Cannot nationalize corporations that are not solid in shares; and usually a share lock occurs were a player cannot achieve enough shares to become majority share holder so there for its up to the CEO. I do not understand what is so hard to get about that. If the an enterprise controlled corporation shares are locked, it is not going anywhere like a private corporation that is too high of level to bid on.

QUICK NOTE TO EVERYONE HERE: you wonder why no one plays anymore? Telling someone WHO OBVIOUSLY wrote in my first post I FORGOT TO BLOCK CEO'S keep on telling me "i can block CEOs" pretty much makes me think this game is nothing but broken records around me. If i was not playing for so long it would just be another reason on my list to give up. Seriously, what are you reading that i am writing??? Part of why new players just go "Okay.... lol" and never come back to this game. Do you read me? REPEAT: can you read me? New players aren't here to play peoples game, just the game.

Oh and yeah; if you want to stop a hostile takeover it is impossible to do so; which i think is lame as it is not really fair that CEO neither need any level to take a corporation while a country needs a level to take it back.

I give up on this at this point; I would have better results if i literally just pretend it does not exist!!! AND MAKE SURE TO NOT FORGET MY BLOCK CEO BUTTON LIKE I MENTIONED IN THE ORIGINAL POST but no one seems to catch and just keep repeating things then to telling me "accept it". Oh or go as far as to demean me as a player by acting like i don't know the consequence of public corps; i do.. that CEOs have non compared to countrys. Just another thing that benefits soul proprietary of CEOs; as if a country bys all the shares still easy for the CEO to sell them all on go on; the country though sticks with the corporation.

And evader, it takes about a day or so for automatic approval. Not that i really care about any secrets you are telling either. Thanks for letting everyone know though. note also

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unless you are a country like i am mentioning and dicussing; what you just mentioned is in situation of a CEO vs CEO; as those percussion do not revolve around country as far as i am concerned in this game.

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- JohnV

JohnV thank you!!! Finally someone gets it. That players are not only lazy, sometimes inexperienced but can directly be neglectful, even by what i just told evader can become a recurring problem by automatically placing corporations in CEO free country's and possibly creating worker disturbances. It can happen. Its not an issue for many and most CEOs do a good job managing so it is nice to see. Just a few things am noting that is problematic, in regards kind of one-sided. As noted; countrys take risk going public which is that a take over can happen, which resaults in the stalemate i mention (cannot be nationalized; majority of shares are owned by CEO).

I would like to see a little input from Andy something good; CEOs are a big part of simcountry you know, but remember who the CEOs need to function, and who don't need the CEOs to function

The first line of this post from Natural Adder is
" I am sick of not being able to do a damn thing about enterprise controlled corporations in my country. Please fix this so i can remove corporations i DO NOT WANT IN MY COUNTRY, BY FORCING THE CORPORATION OUT because i cannot buy the shares back."

It is NOT about blocking CEO's.
It is NOT about CEO corps being good for a country.
It IS about an owner of a country not wanting a CEO public corp in their country and not able to get rid of it.

The only options I can see are:
To wait until the Enterprise is canceled, which I believe takes 3 months of inactivity and if it transfers to a Gamemaster corp try to buy shares.
or
Keep it at 5% hiring by managing your workforce and bankrupt it. With a corp losing 3 B$ a year and needing to be 120 B$ in debt to close this takes about 3 months.

Why should I have to wait 3 months to get rid of this corp?

Countries should be able to nationalize public corps, be able to evict the corp or destroy it.

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- John V

Exactly, or as long as the will remain if the player becomes active enough to just restore use; prolonging such a process. Are countrys should be able to get rid of the corporations as needed. Most players at this time do not have this problem, but it can become more of a hassle in time and player increase.

Meliora Daily Telegraph, May 14, 4138
Country News
Corporation Closed
G Water maintenance Meliora has been closed.
Thu May 11, 4138 The corporation G Water maintenance Meliora in Meliora has been closed because there is high debt and low assets. 11581 employees were fired.

By controlling my workforce for the past 3 1/2 months I finally got this ahole CEO out of my country.

The funny part is you used to be able to sneak attack CEO corporations in other countries and people complained. You used to be able to attack other players for hostile bids. You used to be able to nuke a third country and the fallout would kill a secured player.

If the admins stopped litening to the whining and just made it a free for all I think problems would sort themselves out.