A raw deal from Admin.

I have been elk hunting for the past two weeks and haven't had much time to put my thoughts down on the proposed changes.

I seem to be one of the targets of these changes and as a paying customer, I have every right to know what they will be in order to decide how I spend my money.

Yes I have hundreds of trillions in weapons stored in my CEO and hundreds of trillions in ammo stored in countries. Yes I have an organization with over 1500 corporations in it.

With the removal of the ability to sell game cash for gold coins there is no incentive to do anything else with my cash.

1. I haven't been involved in a PVP war since my return several years ago. My weapons are defensive in nature. How does my storing them impact the game?
2. What is the plan to address my evil ways of peacefully storing weapons?
3. What is the plan for addressing the limits of CEO growth?
4. Will admin institute the old

Those were the days 10gcs got you 16-18T game cash from generous Vets. So much game cash being thrown around no cared for the losses in a war because you could build another war fighter in a week or 2. Countries with 100m plus pop being nuked to 7m pop c3s. Out of lack of respect for players. Those were the days.

I would like those days you could get 18T from 10GC

I (and many others) were able to build our first big empires quickly years ago because we were buying pop for something like 2-4GC per million and getting cash cheap as well. And then, we did the same for the next crop of new players. If we saw a good, friendly-ish player in chat or on the forums there were lots of people rich in SC 1s and 0s that would help. It looks like SC has swung so far to the econ-only side (I assume these and other changes were made to make wars/raids less frequent or less fruitful), seems like you might as well just eliminate the war game altogether.

Talk about... I started a country in FB last night, didn't buy anything, and I woke up this morning to a message that said I needed to spend 17 GC to cover $500 BILLION in debt... How ridiculous is all of that????

It's BS that starter countries suck so hard. It's BS that 17GCs gets you only $500B.

Border C,

I looked into that country.

you have spent 2000B on ammunition.

Nobody took 500B from a new country you started on FB.
New countries never spend anything close to 500B.
president do as you did.

I suggest you cancel this country ASAP.
don't spend 17 GC on a country, just started, that sucks 500B in several hours.

It might destroy your entire game assets in another 3 days.

While I'll give you adding a new empire on a new world can be tedious, they do not often loose money like yours did.

Jiggle, you did not read my comment above,

In that same month, 2000B was spent on ammunition

I didn't place any orders to buy anything on FB. If anything was spent it's because it was automated. In fact, first thing I did was to de-activate weapons along with shutting down those schools, hospitals, etc. If it was automated, then why? Why, as a new player, do I have to go in and fix all the bad settings to make sure the country doesn't fail? Again, I started a country at night, made those adjustments to curb spending, and then left it for the night. Woke up $500B in debt. Now, there's a solid case to say that I'm just a noob (and I am), but I haven't really had time to screw up my country yet!

You suggest cancelling and starting over to avoid the 17 GC. Doesn't it cost 30 GC to buy a new country to start over?

Also, if it's auto-buying these ammo, why are they even buying it for weapons I don't have? I don't have any offensive weapons. I have the defensive weapons I started with, and for some reason I have a strategic airport and base, and that's it.

Yeah, I'm going to feel really dumb when somebody points out something I did to screw it up (so I'm not discounting that), but I didn't place any orders for ammo.

No auto purchases for this kind of money.

The purchasing of huge numbers of ammo are all on your cash log.

I agree that they show up on the log. However, I didn't place any orders. Why would I even buy half this stuff? Again, I have zero offensive weapons (understanding you don't need weapons to buy ammo....), but I don;t know why I'm even spending time trying to prove I didn't do something.... Also, wondering why it says I bought train tracks when I was destroying them last night... not building them.

Andy isn't being helpful. Does anybody else have a clue?

Bought Heavy Tank Ammunition: 2853 grenades with quality 120 on the Market Feb 02 4605 -219M SC$ -481.85B SC$
Bought Roads: 200 miles with quality 120 on the Market Feb 01 4605 -3,989M SC$ -481.64B SC$
Bought Defensive Missiles: 49 missiles with quality 223 on the Market Jan 11 4605 -115M SC$ -477.65B SC$
Bought Anti Aircraft Missiles: 29 missiles with quality 224 on the Market Jan 11 4605 -61M SC$ -477.53B SC$

And apologies to J.B. for de-railing his original topic.

No returning player, no matter how long ago they played, would manually place orders for those ammo at those quality settings. That has to be automated. I have no idea why unless you have those weapons. You country will auto-order ammo for weapons you have even if you have auto orders turned off.

Yeah, I have zero offensive weapons and only what I started with on defense, which is very small (not more than 20 of anything).

You guys with all these weapons stored are only serving as an excuse to charge GC for storage in space stations.

i have said many times that military spending budgets should be reduced for new people. they have no clue how much stuff will cost and don't know that quality multiplies that even further.

they have no way of using any weapons cost 500B with their tiny economics making 5b max. so if they dont bancruipt because of buying, their economy is destroyed by military maintenance cost.

Right now I have 38 countries on 1 world. With each of those countries (including my first) I got the same thing.

What probably happend was the following:

You disbanded all units
- You deactivated all weapons (they still use some men and resoures but far less and so it saves you money)
- You log out and go to bed.

What you probably did not do is:
- change the settings for buying your suplies
- canceling all orders that were already placed

When you get a new country all the previous automated orders remain in place.

Example:
- Before you owned the country the system placed an order for 2853 tank grenades.
- You get the country.
- The order was not yet filled because of the shortages on the weapon market so it was still active when you got the country.
- During your night time the order (and associated costs) got filled.

You log in and are pissed b

I agree that what happened was probably about what you describe, DETA. And BorderC is a returning, experienced player. Imagine what happens to brand new players who don't know what to do or be able to comprehend what might have gone wrong. Perhaps new player help in the settings was left on as well.

Regarding Sam's post, it does seem to me like some arbitrary limitations are being placed on players. These limits prevents veteran players from having anything to do in the game. It seems like you won't be able to grow your enterprises. You won't be able to accumulate weapons. I'll echo Sam: What exactly is the point of making cash if you can't use it? There is virtually zero warfare, so limiting weapons seems... kind of pointless. It's already difficult to quickly move weapons from enterprises to empires. What's the point of logging in once you've built your countries to their desired size? What is there to do?

Forgot to mention:

also 550B worth of weapons purchased at the same time.

My point is:

The claim that 500B disappeared over night.

weapons are not purchased by the system.
the president must purchase them.

I don't see why your arguing this. Everybody else that has responded seems to agree it's possible the system is messed up. I don't even know why you'd claim your point is that $500B didn't disappear. Clearly it did, evidenced by the fact that I'm 500B in the hole, and that doesn't even account for the $450B starter cash value there was in the country (based on cash logs). So yes, if you look at those cash logs, the country actually spent nearly $1T overnight. Most of it was on ammo that was automatically purchased. Some of it is other odd purchases that don't make sense. (see below)

On this "also 550B worth of weapons purchased at the same time.", if you or anybody else looks at the country, you'll note I don't have any weapons. There aren't any in the cash logs either. Instead, there are things like:

Bought Def Weapons Maintenance: 1493624 units with quality 235 on the Ma

Editing, because the noob I am just realized there were a bunch of activated air wings and land forces that aren't counted in the numbers in my previous post. I've deactivated the units now. Still, I have not purchased any weapons since starting, as you claim, Andy. Neither did I setup these initial forces (I don't even remember how to deploy units).

The point remains, either the game is buying stuff on its own, there are stuff (wings, orders, etc) carried over from the C3 that I purchased to start on FB, or the initial settings of starter countries put me (and maybe other new players) in this situation. I don't know which of the three it is. My country on LU didn't have these problems, but maybe settings on FB are different.

Anti Aircraft Missile Batteries 180 0 150 Anti Aircraft Missiles 7,929 159
Anti Tank Missile Batteries 180 0 150 Anti Tank Missiles 8,496 154

I do not deny that you are 500B in the hole.

What I am saying is that you have overspent.
you have spent the money and you are playing a blame game.
The game did not purchase any weapons for you.

When you purchase products you can end up in the negative.

we have all the graphs showing the spending on ammo and weapons. The cash logs show the purchases in details.

The weapons were purchased as part of a setup of air force wings.

You are misleading others with this story about disappearing money.

we have here new players who are looking for someone to explain to them how it works.
what to spend and how to prevent financial disaster.

and then there is you, telling them that you are an experienced player and you have just had 500B disappearing.

You can argue about ammo.
but weapons are never bought for you automatically.
you have to click to purchase and you did.

All you needed to say was:

I did not realize I have spent so much money.

@BorderC

In one of my previous posts I tried to explain what might have happend. Now that I have read some more of your own records, what Andy said and by looking at your country it looks like you made a few mistakes that did not help your situation.

This is normal and happens to all of us.

If you need some advice or help getting back on track, or how to restart a new country feel free to PM me.