| The_Wicked_Lady | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 03:41 am 
Dear Sim Community on All Worlds,
I am a very strong advocate in giving security council aid to presidents who qualify, who need a boost. I have written MANY times my views on this topic, but there is still much resistance in providing this form of aid.
Security Council Aid is not just for new players. Established players can also qualify for this aid. If someone needs help, I encourage we help them. 2T is not a lot to give, but can certainly help. The game graciously gives us the ability to do this for players. It is what it is there for.
It has just come to my attention that a responsible player I know on White Giant, with a struggling empire, has asked for aid, and the proposal was voted down. Shame on you who voted NO. If you cannot help players, then maybe we veteran players should not help YOU with game knowledge, etc. I'm just saying. We need to be more supportive of each other. |
| davidclonan9 | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 06:30 am
True God bless you! but I still think SC should have an option whereby presidents can send money or aid directly to other countries, even if it has to be limited to a certain amount each game year. This is also fine in real life... The option will be very nice tho with measures to curb cheating.. the game master should look into this. |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 06:49 am
Yes, David, we had the ability to do this before, but it was abused by some players and taken away. It would be nice if one could gift things to others, but not sure how it could be done where cheating couldn't ensue. We can hope, though! |
| davidclonan9 | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 07:01 am
yeah we hope.. maybe gifting should be limited to a particular country each game year and maybe have a fixed maximum amount! from one country to another on same world.. think this will make the economic aspect of the game more active for some countries.. just saying tho |
| Matthew I | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 10:13 am
100 times YES.
People seem very stingy about 2T when hardly anyone asks for it AND White Giant is sitting on almost 500T of unused funds.
@The_wicked_lady
Maybe limit it to premium members or something? (I'm assuming the abuse came from people making alts and just funneling in outside cash) |
| Vlad48 | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 01:08 pm
Having 40 countries and paying trillions on government cost just for the sake of having 40 countries is not responsible |
| Lewis | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 01:37 pm
100% agree with this.
As a member of the KB Security Council, I have tried to send aid to countries hit by natural disasters, but this has been voted down.
We currently have 157.42T SC$ available.
Gifting could be allowed from on country to another on the disaster page, so money can only be sent to a country that has been hit by a disaster?
To stop people abusing the system by starting a country just to transfer the money out, make it a rule that you must be president for at least 100 days before you can send money. But to help new players you can receive money from the start. |
| Zakalwe | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 02:27 pm
You can send disaster relief to any country you like, just not in the form of cash. |
| davidclonan9 | Sunday, December 27, 2020 - 04:40 pm
I agree with you Lewis.. gifting cash maybe allowed for old premium members I think which can be sent to all players in same world and not on different worlds.. in real life countries can send money to other country.. maybe this gifting may require approval by the world's SC or GM to control cheating.. anyway there must be a way.. |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 08:03 am
@Vlad48
"Responsible"? So, exactly what are the qualifications for "responsible" financial aid? As long as you have less than 2T in net cash you qualify. Beijing did.
I struggle in vein to see the downside, again, 2T is chump change and not going forward with it is just petty. If an individual is in debt that cannot be reversed, 2T isn't going to help.
Glad it passed regardless, but members on the planet are far too stingy with little reasoning behind it. 2T there is for financial aid. Not giving it to a country in need is simply against the entire reasoning of it existing. |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 10:39 am
@Matthew I i think I understand where Valid is coming from.. what beijing needs now is to cut spending and build economy.. the 2T Aid is going to Solve nothing at all for beijing.. with over 713,000 Army!!! 7.32T worth of weapons for Leader Country.. he seriously needs to cut Spending..Giving Aid is good but learning to build a power stronger Economy is more better.. |
| Da BumB | Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 02:48 pm
So somebody who manages 38! countries badly gets lots of aid from the security council?
Interesting... |
| Matthew I | Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 07:51 pm
@david
Like I said, steps are being taken place. Not every province needs aid and not every province requested aid. I do not see where he is coming from since Beijing is taking active steps to get rid of said deficit. It is very very frustrating to see people ask for help and have it shot down for arbitrary reasons. It's TWO TRILLION we're dealing with and it's literally there to help other countries.
@Dabumb ANYONE that has less than 2T in assets can ask and we will vote for it as long as they qualify.
People are more upset at this than I thought and I can't really imagine why.
Did everyone prefer it when no one got aid? |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, December 30, 2020 - 09:15 pm
Not really Matthew No one is upset... just that beijing recieved 6T Said under 2 game months in 3 of his provinces... how many province are queuing up for more Aid? Am a sole ADVOCATE of philanthropy but we still need to apply precaution.. This said empire has weapons he can sell off and settle his debt in his numerous countries... hope you understand where am coming from Matthew |
| Matthew I | Thursday, December 31, 2020 - 03:37 am
I understand the concerns and I donât mean to come off so aggressive.
Its just with the state of the population, and the lack of a downside for both members and people on the planet at large, I feel like we can afford to give aid to countries that qualify. |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Thursday, December 31, 2020 - 04:30 am
I agree that the Security Council has to be responsible in who it gives money to However, you people who refuse time and time again are ridiculous. I mean if that is the way you want to be, then we might as well not even have a security council. Even your most responsible players need help from time to time, even those with larger empires. Get a grip, people! |
| Alexius | Monday, January 4, 2021 - 06:15 am
Just wanted to say, i saw the new UN vote for giving development aid to my leader country, thank you so much! I really appreciate this and promise to put the cash to good use! |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Monday, January 4, 2021 - 07:22 am
I am happy that the aid will boost you, Alexius! |
| Zentrino | Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - 09:23 pm
I vote yes on every SC resolution for aid. 2T for a country is like giving a couple of bucks to the guy outside the gas station. You can maybe do one thing with it but whatever it is, it won't hurt anyone and probably does little to fix the problem. |
| daniel howard | Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - 11:58 pm
Gg |
| daniel howard | Tuesday, January 5, 2021 - 11:59 pm
Gg |
| Amalie | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 12:00 am
@david
The weapons in my empire has nothing to do with the debt, my weapons and ammo are all equally distributed in my states for defensive and offensive purposes and hardly impact my military cost
As Gamemaster informed me that my empire government cost is so high that it is surpassing my monthly profit which is 30-50B a month
And I should focus on getting my empire profitability even higher than it is
Which i have been doing and it is working and the cost is slowly decreasing
The security council granted me those funds because, if you do not know, you cannot build any corps if your state is in debt
The funds are there to help any empire or single state why have it sitting there for all these years and not make use of it
I am one of the most helpful players on white giant
When i was in the security council you always use to see my name requesting aid for other players empires especially the ones that was impacted by the economic crisis
If you also check the disaster charts you would see i am the most helpful in disaster relief |
| Johanas Bilderberg | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 12:17 am
I need aid.
I am poor. |
| Amalie | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 12:56 am
What world you on?? |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 07:46 am
Am happy for you Alexius am optimistic that the funds will help you achieve your long term goals..
AU |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 08:05 am
@Amalie thanks for your good works African Union Commends White Gaint Super-Power Beijing for this.
Back to the Aid issue I personally do not think you qualify for any further aid henceforth. you recieved three SC aid worth 6T SC$ in two months one of which was giving to your Province (East Jiangxi) as at October 5 4450.. what happened Since then? 181,756B worth of materials was sold in this Province alone recently making the total material in this province to drop to -1.10T SC$ I guess you plan on keeping this Province, with a cash deficit of -2.58T SC$ and a monthly profit of -27.22B Sc$... I just guess my speculation are not true, a country with a total assets of less than 4T might still qualify for future aid?.. How many more of your province are queuing up for SC Aid Super power? One game month is enough to cut down your military Spending Heavily!! |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 08:06 am
@johanas Bilderberg the great Pinktator we hail theeð |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 08:13 am
2T is nothing to give to a country but all am saying is that this funds be channeled to countries who actually needs them.. A pandemic may arise someday when the whole world might need this funds.. let's protect our unregistered or unborn future players ðð |
| DETA | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 10:14 am
@Amalie
To me it seems that you just need to ditch a few countries. Your countries are in average shape. Some are good, some are terrible and some are ok. If you lose 5/6 of your worst countries (and sell of some military assets (which you can always put in your CEO)) you could cut costs enough to make most of your countries profitable.
We've exchanged messages before about how to turn your empire in a money making machine. But i geuss you've got a different strategy.
As for aid, I am not on the council in WG but I don't care either way about 2T/4T/6T etc etc it is just pocket change in this game. I do however understand the resistance here. Giving money to such a big player feels like giving money to the rich and powerful, it feels like a very American thing to do and that might not be everybodies cup of tea.
@Johanas Bilderberg
Stop trolling! :P You are probably the richest player in the game and you know it ;) |
| Amalie | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 11:23 am
@deta yes thank you friend for the help you have given me
It is actually working the debt is slowly decreasing monthly
@david please help me understand who give you the authority to pick and choose who gets aid and who qualifies for aid sir david
Is this money yours?
You are acting like you are the head of the security council and that money is coming from your pockets so can say who gets aid and who doesnât qualify for it
I am sure if the security council runs out of funds the game system will automatically refill it
I have not seen game master had any problems with the council and how much aid they disbursed
I am tired trying to put in your dammm head that the military cost is not what is cause some of my states to go in debt
I have moved all excess weapons and ammo to my ceo and only an affordable amount has been equally distributed in many states
Now you clowning cause i am a global superpower? Really
Jus the 3 months ago my empire was bringing in over 60T per game month
And I used my own funds for my empire before the security council offered to help |
| Amalie | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 11:32 am
Everyone will face their highest and low moments at some point
I was once in the top 5 on every single chart and collecting coins
My low time is now and i am handling it well |
| davidclonan9 | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 12:05 pm
Sure Amalie don't know how you're seeing this.. I sincerely want you to bounce back! No grudges whatsoever, besides what I said was my own personal opinion, No one gives me the right on whom to give aid! but come on! it's a free world.. Am happy you're on top of the situation.. best regards.. No strings Attached |
| user user | Wednesday, January 6, 2021 - 02:41 pm
maybe we can add something like you can give other players money, only if they have a cash lower than 3T or 4T to prevent cheating. |
| The_Wicked_Lady | Friday, January 8, 2021 - 05:33 am
@DETA I've been dying to ask....who were you in Sim past?? Did we know each other? |
