| Friday, June 22, 2012 - 07:22 pm |
(Latest Market Price X Production X Quality)
PLus minus on trade strategy
Am i right to say that?
But I noticed the corp income is not = to the above.
If i reverse the equation
Revenue / Price and Production
I am suppose to get the quality, but it is also not true. Instead I get as much as 30 points below the quality.
Now I understand that maybe it was not sold and price drop every month depends on how much u set in the TS.
But I set them to -10 below quality and every 4th of the month, products were all sold. So the above equation should get a figure close to the quality.
Am i right or did i missed something. Some vets please comment.
| Saturday, June 23, 2012 - 01:01 am |
Remember not all the quality upgrade is inherent quality in the product. You also have about a 20 point quality "marketing share" which is all that does. Simply for when your end product sells. Great in a down market if you're selling to the open market, not so good in other situations.
I was working on it by industry type/specific corps, but got sidetracked into a bit more than I can chew off quickly and return to this.
So I'm still using the 20 pt difference as a rule of thumb.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 02:59 am |
My Corps are running into trouble the auto feature keeps selling my products dirt cheap. When I'm online I can put it at 200% and sell evening our profit/production cost ratio. Though when I log it sets it back down to 100 something. So all my high quality shit is being sold off cheap tanking the corps. Tried to go into auto setting it at 200%, but it returns the message 120 or below.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 02:42 pm |
Thats killing me too. I can't max my profit because the sale price resets to 10% below the quality of the product. Most of corporations are running red ink. I am losing the battle here due to my set prices resetting themselves. Can anyone help with this? I don't know if its me or a bug.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 05:04 pm |
@Johnny, if u are before 14 days, u can`t change the trade strategy.
After 14 days, then u can changed TS.
Anyway don`t bother with TS. In the above post I already say the sale price don`t follow the TS. Even when u can changed it, the selling price is still determined by the system, not what u set it as.
The only way for your corp to turn black is to ride it out. Wait til they r fully upgraded to max. Try to lower raw material cost, raise welfare. Go public(quality will raise while some cost will decrease)Some type of corp still can`t make profit, then close them.
Note: this is not true demand and supply economy. Alot of unknown are set by the GM. U can`t do it using real world logic and maths.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 05:24 pm |
Im in the 14 days. That system is silly. Players are not allowed to make a profit until the their dues are paid. Besides my country, my CEO is hard on cash. I am selling high and buying low but there is no stopping the bleeding. There corps are ones that are supposed to make money too. For example, Oil, Electricity, and Factory Units. I can't explain why one corps makes a profit but the another one in the same industry is in the red that month. The quality and effective upgrades are so close. Im using automatic settings. This is rigged!
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 06:55 pm |
Every corporation with default settings is profitable unless your education does not deliver the workers or the product is in severe oversupply.
We have reports from every game month showing that nearly all corporations are profitable.
so our advise is to upgrade quality, set quality for purchasing as advised by the automatic system and set the trade strategies back to the default.
All beginners have these settings and their countries are profitable.
once you really understand how it works, you can try to optimize.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 08:40 pm |
I will make adjustments and wait. All of my corps are 100% staffed in my empire. Its a waiting game for the getting population and having schools push out trained professionals.The top professionals have always been Tech Engineers, Mid managers, Nurses, and teachers. It doesn't make sense to build a new corp that wont have 100% staff. Although, my corp called Amon Train Tracks should be making a profit for the year but is taking a loss despite max upgrades bought and favorable market conditions where the products were sold 30% above quality. I used the default buy strategy of 108% plus 10 and a salary of around 300.That corporation ran a loss the whole year in a market that had product shortage.
The game has changed significantly over the last few years. Its really harder to make profit because of the narrow window between income and expenses. Corps used to be able to make on average 3.5 billion profit and could even pull 12 billion in markets with runaway demand. A new corp used to make a decent turnaround within a few months. This is tough.
| Sunday, June 24, 2012 - 08:49 pm |
Btw, I check that overall cost of the salary for the Train corp and it dropped from $491 Million to $481 Million. There was a $330 million loss for the whole year.
| Monday, June 25, 2012 - 04:38 am |
@Andy, over many thread, u kept advising people to set TS to default which is -10 quality.
U didn`t answered all our question. Johnny had said that his corp is all 100% staff but u say
`unless your education does not deliver the workers or the product is in severe oversupply`
When he already say few times that he had all the workers, that is not why his corp is losing money.
I had experiment with TS from -10 to +80. The corp always sells everything, nothing left on the shelves and the income and selling quality is always the same,doesn`t matter what u set.
My question was is trade strategy obselete. What is the use of TS when u can`t use it to optimize.
| Monday, June 25, 2012 - 08:07 pm |
Pe@ce, I think you have hit the nail on the head. A corp should be able to make a bigger profit if the sale price is raised and everything else is the same. It just seems like no mater what I did that corp refused to turnaround. As for my CEO, I am having a very hard time turning a profit. Please check me out. My Ceo Enterprise is General Lightning. The situation seems out of my control and I don't blame it on a hiring problem.
The Trade Strategy is broken and the system will sale it at the market price.
Btw, does anyone know how to stop the system from making corps? I'm getting screwed over by new automated defense weapon corps that will may take a century to turn a profit in. This started happening today and I did not make any changes to anything major.
| Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - 12:06 am |
To keep from producing new corporations - keep yourself short suited in a worker type in that country (if needed, dabble your toes into the war game to take a second country - then keep each one short one worker type. set appropriate education priority in that category to 0 in the appropriate country. this will help until you can get past the automation stage, and isn't completely foolproof. but will help immensely.)
The only time you should be selling at market price is until the 2 week period is up. If you're past that, you can sell to market ceiling.
Hope that helps the Man in Black,
| Tuesday, June 26, 2012 - 05:40 am |
I am already after 2 weeks. The products were selling at best price determined by the system, TS is broken like Johnny says. I think that`s why Andy kept saying set TS to -10 below quality,even after 2 weeks, coz he is the only person who knows it doesn`t make any differnce.
@Johnny, u can turn the automation off, set up new corp manually, don`t use automation. Corp will only make profit when it is upgraded near to 200 and above. Some corp like Oil and Services is easier and break even faster.
| Thursday, June 28, 2012 - 10:03 pm |
I agree, I set all my prices to 75% above market, they all sell, and I'm actually getting about market price.
That seems fair to me, but if Trade Strategies aren't actually being used, lets remove them?
| Sunday, July 1, 2012 - 04:51 pm |
Will someone please look at my Ceo General Lightning on LU?
I can't figure out why my CEO continues to bleed cash like no tomorrow. Only 2 out of my 67 corps made a profit last month. I need some advice to turn this around.
| Sunday, July 1, 2012 - 07:13 pm |
1) Your supplies quality is too low, at 150. Your quality max at 260+-, they can go higher. Raise your supplies to 170, u will see the difference in 3 game years.
150 will only work unless u use ASQ contract method. Details refer Wildeyes leaving guide.
2) Your salary is too high. Lower to 200.
It`s not worth the salary cost, your production level only increase few percent. Lower to 200, and u save 500 mil per corp.
| Sunday, July 1, 2012 - 07:44 pm |
Thanks Commander Peace!