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Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 03:37 am Click here to edit this post
its just that, not meant as anything other than a discussion.

first, i'd like to introduce you to a concept i'll refer to allot.

the rule of one thousand.

it makes long term estimation easy, as many things can change in the long term of sim country, that is 2+ years. any kind of ruff estimate is just that, and going into enth detail is pointless, when figuring the long term detail, how ever ruff estimates can certainly effect our direction.

so, here it is.

one rl day is 6 GM
one rl year, is 365 days, 2190 GM
half of that is 1095 GM or 6 months, you could figure it the other way, but the point is, 6 RL months is close enough to one thousand, that any GM profit can be converted to a 6 RL profit.

a country that makes 7B profit a GM, will make 7T profit in 6 GMs.

this also help estimate costs, a military upkeep of 35B a GM, will cost you 35T in 6 real life months to maintain.

now their are ways to manipulate this.

second their is the backward rule. the backwards rule, is... if every one in simcountry is doing it one way, the GM WILL create "easter eggs," of hidden fees, and costs to go along with it. or basically, if every one is doing it, the GM will try to stop them.

so if every one does one thing, doing the opposite is the best thing to do!

hey, it works! but it really works when you change like one thing at a time, and pay attention to various effects. and read everything you can, some one might say something you had no clue could even be done!


Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 03:42 am Click here to edit this post
manipulating military

many ways to manipulate your military ranking, but i was always a no gimmick type guy. so i'd figure what i wanted for garisons, and air defence, and go from their. i could always maintain my military at 50% the cost of others, by keeping gov salaries low.

by keeping goverment salaries low, it lowers the biggest cost of the military, that is the soldiers and officers. ofcourse i had to lower corp salaries to match, but the lower production was greatly outwieghed by the savings in military, gov, education and health savings.

also, make sure to buy 120Q military supplies and services, this will further reduce your military costs.


Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 03:54 am Click here to edit this post
a good garrison trick

put up garrisons of just light tanks and light artillery. and buy high quality ammo, the monthly use of ammo by your garrisons will draw allot of supplies, drawing high Q ammo through your supply units, raising the supply units, and all ammo transfer quality.

you could even buy cheap LQ ammo for your d batts, add them to you garrison, and eventually the HQ LT/LA ammo will increase your gar Q. works wonders with NDM


Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 03:55 am Click here to edit this post
buy HQ weapons, only.


Sunday, July 28, 2013 - 06:17 pm Click here to edit this post
thanks for sharing your knowledge josias these are the types of tips that the newer players need and appreciate. Im very glad to see vets like your self helping others and giving back to the game. i think it will be good for the game in the long run.


Monday, July 29, 2013 - 03:07 am Click here to edit this post
thanks muchly jack

i'm wanting to talk more about salary manipulation

because their is more to it than that.

first off, i say go low salaries, i have to first say that the GM recommended is 300-500 for corp salaries. corps are most productive, according to them, and most players go high salaries, the 300-500 range.

my theme is 100/120 for gov and corps.

if you looke at a corp, the 2 highest costs, are wages, and material. by lowering your salaries, it will save cost, both in salaries, and material cost. if you are spending allot on raw material, this could improve your over all profit, by reducing cost over the lost production. by following this concept, naturally, your gov sals of 100 compaired to 226/300 greatly reduces military cost, maening the lower production is out weighed by the lower cost in gov, health, and education.

you replace higher corp taxes for the lower population income tax.

its just another way to go.


Monday, July 29, 2013 - 03:12 am Click here to edit this post
their is a trade off, your welfare index will be a bit lower, you'll have less population contributions to health, education, and income tax. also lower contributions to the investment fund.

High Tech Seniors, the bulkiest pay range is HTS. they are the meat and potatoes of your economy. Over all, they command the largest percentage of the salaries. and because of their high pay rate, account for the largest portion of the very things i mention above. so by building allot of AQU, WQU, Solid missile fuel, and shuttle corps. they use TONS of HTS, building these corps can some what compensate for the lower salaries, or augment a high sal country

Also, they will help with country supplies


Monday, July 29, 2013 - 03:42 am Click here to edit this post
my current test is to see if lowering the life expectancy of my population, means i'll need a higher education priority for things like Exectuives. because they are older anyways, shorter life spans would mean a shorter career. thats the theory anyways.

kinda trying to feel out the effects of a low health index, in relation to my education needs.


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 03:18 am Click here to edit this post
raid buy transfer

you can transfer considerably more into a country, than you can buy, instead of buying

in a pinch, you can take over a bunch of C3s, and buy a ton of stuff, and transfer

a better way, with some planning, you can set up stock piles of ammo in your countries. and slowly fill in your defense, to match your country size, and ability. if something happens, you can manually sell weapons from your ceo, (that you can stock pile with out upkeep or manpower cost,) then transfer to the countries in danger.

i like to keep my odd ball stuff in my main country, attack destroyers, and attack torpedoes, seal units, these things can make a nasty surprise for some one, but it doesn't always work, so i only need one set for my entire empire, things like that i'll put in my main. and plan on transferring them as needed

shuttles bypass spending space entirely, and allow you to barrow defense from another planet, if you're on another planet. this can be signifcant, its bailed me out at least once!


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 05:02 am Click here to edit this post

when determining what to put into your garisons. pick you most likely enemy, for lack of an actual enemy, locate the most military powerful country near you.

when looking at that countries home page, their are some things to note. note the financial rank, and the war rank. consider it in comparison to yours.

click on that countries employment link, and at the bottom, it will display the soldiers and officers of the country. if their war rank is lower, (better,) than yours, and you have the same sized military, they have a heavier defense. if they have the same sized army, but higher, (worse,) war rank, they have a heavier offense. by relative comparisons, you can gauge the relative strengths of 2 countries.

also something to note, is how many unemployed MLM and LLWs works they have, as well as their education priorities. it will give you an idea of what they are doing. and what they can do, if needed, allot of unemployed MLM, means that they can dramatically increase their military.

next, click on their capital, and send 2 long range radar planes. they will never know. this will tell you what they have up for garrisons. and clue you into what they are expecting to get hit by. which is also likely they believe that is the strongest attack, and will attack you the same way. make sure to check 3-4 of every target type, cities, bases, forts, factories, towns, and counties.

this doesn't always play true, more experienced war players will have a variety of offensive and defensive options, how ever it is still info to know.

this is also a good time to check the world map, and figure out the range, how you can shorten that to your advantage, or visa versa.

by looking at their deployed air defense, likely, because of upgrades, their reserves will not really match. same with garrisons, fresh garrisons hurt a country, but after a while they settle in. if your target doesn't have garrisons already set up, you can consider that into your calculations. that they will probably set them up, but they will be poorly set up. although, again, vets will not be so transparent.


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 05:22 am Click here to edit this post

allot can be said, because it also invites an offensive discussion. how ever to simplify...

if you have allot of state corps, when in a sudden dire state, you can set all your corps to 10% hiring. This will reek havoc on your country. it will be difficult to rebuild. how ever, it will take like, what 5ish? hits to equal the war index damage, than before. this works because when a factory is destroyed, it kills a percent of the people in it, if the corp is at 10% hiring, you're talking 10% the pop damage. and you can put minimal garrisons into them, to block painting, and give your opponent a head ache.

also, it will free up allot of officers and such, allowing you to just amass a huge army. again, this will destroy your country, even if you win.


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 05:35 am Click here to edit this post
Light Tanks, and Light Artillery, LT/LA tear apart their offensive versions, HT/HA. Make 10-15% of the weapons in your garrisons LT/LA, will rob your opponent of cheap ground assault.

DMB, Defensive Missile Batts, are the only garrison weapon that shoot the main ground offensive weapon, Mid Range Missile Batts, MRMB

AAMB, Anti-aircraft missile batts, are the only weapon that shoots the main air unit, Precision Bombers, PB

MIB, Missile interceptor batteries, greatly reduce the effectiveness of navies, slowing them down long enough for your DMB to hurt them. And drain ammo. They also, combined with DMB, do a number on MRMB.

Nuke defense can be shot by Stealth Bombers, so 10 NDB per garrison, with 50+ missiles, in your capital, cities, and all miltiary bases, and airports.


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 06:12 am Click here to edit this post
you can set up garrisons with just LT/LA, and one of each the other d-set batts, and when war comes, you can change the blue print, and it will adjust all the garrisons.

factories are the most likely to be sneak attacked, those and bases/airports. putting in some DMB/MIB in peace time would be prudent

the more units you have, the slower their war page will load

set up, your air defense, and upgrade them. also, set up your supply units, and don't cheap out on ammo. but don't upgrade supply units ammo, its a money pit, and yes, use light tanks for your supply units, with max q ammo, it will eventually upgrade your entire army.

use the map control to move cities, and other vunrable targets away from dangerous borders. if you factories don't have garrisons, move them away, if they do, spread them out. spread our your bases, and with your forts, spread them out, with a focus on the most dangerous borders. i like to put tiny garrisons in my towns and countries, and spread those out, to help block movement, make them fight for each bloody inch, 10 HJ is suppose to be enough, although that sometimes doesn't work.

you must do the map controls before war

defensive units, are actually very good, they work for unpainting, and cost more to destroy than to build. setting up some near a dangerous border, can help slow down a ground assault. and if you know the stacking order, you can have them on the map on top of your offensive units, so they wouldn't be able to shoot your offensive units with out hunting for them on the list.

renaming all your units, and targets to the same name, can confuse your opponent, and make it difficult for them to understand what your doing.

randomly set up odd ball garrisons, like every 7ish cities, or forts, get a garrison with just AAMB and Nuke d. try to make it an unpredictable pattern, that way if they aren't paying attention, you'll do allot of damage, even if they are, you'll take a chunk out of their reserves. if they stop and scout each target, thats still a victory, its taking them allot longer to take you out.

set your black outs, so that you can be online for wars


Tuesday, July 30, 2013 - 06:18 am Click here to edit this post
i think thats most of a basic defense, but i could be missing something


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 03:24 am Click here to edit this post
i remembered that i forgot something, but i forgot

their is some random military stuff that needs to be said.

if you run out of military services, all but one of your supply units will stop, even if you can see the supply unit, and it has in it the weapons and ammo you need to resupply, and win.

makes sure to have plenty of mulitary supplies, and services, make sure to have at least 65 games months of each, at minimum 120Q, to save on military upkeep. do not contract these to yourself

trucks, set your purchase goal to 5M trucks, and buy 1-10K a GM, depending on how much you can afford, and every so often, just purchase a bunch. you'll want 2M min, in case of war. 10M isn't really outrageous. 5K trucks per game month, should be 5M trucks in 6 RL months.

aircraft fuel, and gasoline, same as trucks, make sure to keep a good stock pile, 500M tons of AF, and 200M tons of Gasoline, should be enough, and that is over and above your 65 months stockpile.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 03:51 am Click here to edit this post
further war preparation

When talking a country, their are 3 main parts

Air Defense

Air defense is interceptor wings, and helicopter wings. interceptors shoot at things in the sky, helicopters shot at thing on the ground, or sea.

Their are for main types of assualt.


Using ground, MRMB combined with OAAMB Offensive Anti-Aircraft Missiles, are used against an undefended, or weak target, to "attack defense," repeatedly, until the helicopters fail to respond. When this attack is made, the DH will shoot at the harder to hit MRMB, while the OAAMB have there way with the DH

This allows for ground, missile, and some of the navy weapons to attack with our the countries air defense, even if the interceptors are still available.

For air, PB combined with Fighters, a BF unit, do the same thing. The interceptors will shot the stalwart PB, while the fighter knock the ints out of the sky. Do this until the interceptors no longer respond. After, you can use units of just PB to strip him of his garrisons.

Considering that the 2 main offensive weapons, that hurt your air d, are MRMB, and PB, most vets will stock pile large numbers of one or both of these. So large numbers of AAMB, DMB, are necessary for any defense.

Once the DH are down, using units with a MRMB mix with Heavy Tanks, and Heavy Artillery, HT/HA, you can "attack target," the DMB and MIB will focus on the harder to hit MRMB, while the HT/HA destroy the target. Thats why its neccissary to have a small amount of LT/LA in each garrison, make your opponent take 2 shots, instead of one, and it'll double the damage he takes.

MRMB only, or MRMB with anti-tank, can counter that, but that doesn't really mean much, as the already mentions DMB, and MIB would tear them up. But MRMB/ATMB will fair a little better.

The biggest concern is the extremely hard to hit PB, and SB, heavy AAMB, will only go so far. Having your own SB to hit their largest air unit, usually PB or BF units, will help. But you'll need your own BF units to thin the heard. The point of this is to keep your own air defense up, and make him shoot through it. Its good to keep a few undeployed, for later.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 03:58 am Click here to edit this post
currently i'd recommend keeping up some air defense during peacetime, and max up grading, you can add more later, and still have a strong quality.

20 Interceptor wings
10 Helicopter wings
5 Stealth bomber wings

set to max upgrade. focus more on the weapons than the ammo. if need be, you can dismantle them, double the number of weapons, and recreate twice as many, while still maintain a very good quality. although it will send you into negitive ammo (because your supply units will try to bring the ammo levels in each unit up to the default, not because you don't actually have ammo,) so double check to make sure you have the right ammo quality set in your purchase strats. buy the best quality you can afford.

I also recommend keeping up some offensive units, with the same ideas.

2 BF units
2 PB units
5 MRMB only units
5 MRMB/OAAMB units

because of cost and relative size, you'll get more value by building your airforce first


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 05:00 am Click here to edit this post
to say it again, buy LT and LTA of max q for your supply units, as your country back purchases ammo, it'll average with the HQ of the supply units, before being put into your units.

this way, you can double the number of existing units, and still maintain a high quality. how ever, this takes time to prepare, which is actually pretty cool, if you think about it, prepared defenses gain large bonuses.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 06:47 am Click here to edit this post
somebody else is free to add some navy stuff, thats kinda the area i lack in, shrug, but next i'll probably do some tactics stuff.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 08:21 pm Click here to edit this post
First thing to know, is effective ranges. for bombers, and all (O) missile batts, about the mid range, is the most effective.

main thing about that, fighters, max range is 3k, the mid range, 1500, is their most effective. planning on using BF units at the 1200-1500 range will make your BF units their most efficient.

to make the best use of this, you can declare war on a C3, at the approriate range to you enemy, drop and RDU, Rapid Deployment Unit, and when it finishes setting up, it will create an offensive airbase in that location, that you can create air units on.

this allows a couple of things. if they are outside your 3k fighter range, you can drop RDUs, and fight from a closer range. if your countries are 2200 away from each other, and you set up RDUs at the 1200-1500 range, you'll have an advatage shooting at the closer range, while the bad guy is stuck at a less efficient range.

These remote bases can be shot, set them up with enough time, to put garrisons into them before war starts. you can also build air defense around those. if you finish the c3 off, and take it over, you can air drop RDUs from other countries you own, and fed up to have an advanced assault zone, that has some modest defense. to prevent the bad guy from easily stripping you of your attack force.

air units create on a remote base can be dismantled at their remote location, but they can not be airlifted to another location. if you want to air lift from the remote location, you'll first need to create the units at home, and then airlift them.

RDU's can extend your range past 10KM, and if their are C3s avaible next to your target, will allow you ground assault, at a range, that might even be out of PB range, (or even out of SB range,)

Further, RDUs that have been made into units, (awaiting airdrop,) sit ontop of all other units, covering them up. they limit visibility in your country, making it more difficult for your opponent to scout by using LRD. Special Forces, SF, do the same thing.

so you can set up some RDUs and SF units, and hide units under them, for upgrading, so that your opponent wont be aware that you might have 10 fully upgraded BF units. Their is a way to still get this info, but its harder, and more time consuming. make it difficult for the bad guys to know what you got.

you can do something similar, if you figure out the stacking order of units. by putting the heavier defended units ontop of the lesser ones. if you set up say, 20 defense ground units, and 100 offensive ground units. You can airlift around your own country, to get the d units to stack ontop of the o units. then from the list of ground units, (in the war menu, military units, land units,) you can use the boxes to check 1-2 d units, and 5-10 o units, and option at the bottom to "move all selected units to a single location," if you have the stacking order right, the d units will sit on top the o units, and block their visibility.

i forget which way it goes, but i think its older units sit on top the new units, or visa versa, when airlifting, it creates a new unit with the same name, weapons, ammo, and supplies, and dismantles the old, adjusting the stacking order. or you could just plan ahead, what you need and build them in the right order.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 08:34 pm Click here to edit this post
an aside point, when some one decs you, their is a 48 hour waiting period, much of what i've said, isn't practical to set up, or figure out in that time, some of what i've said is meant for that 48 hour period. its best to be prepared, and as much set up done, in peace time, as you can afford.

it really stinks, when your fighting for your life, and you go to set up units, just to find out you've ran out of trucks. a little preparation will save your a$$


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:07 pm Click here to edit this post
sneak attacks, and bases

each country get 2 sneak attacks per GM. you can take over a C3, transfer in cruise batts, and missiles, and make your sneak attack.

if you destroy all of their offensive military bases, they can not launch cruise, or convential missiles at you. if you destroy their strat bases, and airports, they can not use nukes. (i don't think that will stop nuke subs, tho, not entirely sure on that one)

it is 2 your advantage to use C3s to knock out their strat bases/airports, in the few hours before war starts, (near the end of the 48 waiting period.) Helis, and Garrisons can completely prevent this, so if your opponent, (or yourself,) have set up proper defenses, this tactic is useless.

these bases will recover each game month, so you may have to repeat the process, but once war has actually started, you can use non-sneak attack methods.

doing allot of construction damage, that is destroying targets in the enemy country, will slow down their repair rate, if they don't have a large stock pile of construction on hand.

you can not sneak attack fleets, but the same concept holds true, you can "attack target," on a fleet, and completely disable it, until the next game month. this is valuable, if your opponent has amassed most of his offense into a navy, he will be rather dangerous, how ever, you can delay his onslaught.

while i'm talking about disabling fleets, attack destroyers, and seal units, do a number on fleets, if you can get them closer enough. this works, because most players decline to buy defensive destroyers. precision bombers, and cruise missiles also work well for disabling fleets

back to sneaks, and bases

if your ally is getting pummeled by nukes, you can sneak their enemies strat bases/airports.

i also like to identify the enemy o bases, knowing that is where the ground units are produced. and knowing that the last one can not be completely destroyed, (you can not prevent them from making new units,) i pick on that is out of the way, like on the far side of the country, and shoot the rest. that way, as i paint, and destroy his un-painters, his new units will be formed away from my main push, and it will even allow me to corral his new units into a corner, making it difficult to unpaint. (Jan gets credit for this one,)


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:28 pm Click here to edit this post
Precision Bombers

in the air, Precision Bombers, are the best. Infact, they are the best overall weapon. They do allot of damage, and have allot of staying power. After you've destroyed their interceptors, use air units of just PB, to strip their targets of garrisons.

for destroying targets, bombers are good against cities, and factories, bases, and fleets. against forts, they use allot of ammo. be ready for a pure bomber assault to cost allot in ammo.

if you also clear the DH, after the interceptors, you can clear garrisons with PB, then use cruise, conventional, or ground to finish of targets. its much cheaper that way, but it takes longer, to switch weapons, and time can be a fleeting resource.

bombers do not hit tanks, artillery, jeeps or armoured vehicles. neither the offensive or defensive versions. if they have LT/LA in the garrisons, and your trying to save PB ammo, you'll need a second attack of Anti-tank, or MRMB to clear the LT/LA out of the garrison, before your HT/HA will be good. Or just use cruise

once the interceptors are down, you can use navies, Navy Fighter Planes, NFP, with 1 cruise missile ship, CMS, to draw out the helis, and let your NFP destroy them. thats the easy way, or you can select the DH units from the list and hit them with fighters. The new updated lists make this allot easy, but the navy way is still quick and easy. the advatage to targeting the DH, is you destroy the unit, and any spare ammo. reducing their ability to resupply. but then that might be assets you don't have to destroy, and your just blowing up things you would own later. play it, as it comes, you know?


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:45 pm Click here to edit this post
Heavy Jeep Assault

This is really more of a joke, but it is a tactic i've used successfully several times.

Create allot of HJ units, allot. and when war starts roll them over the border. When you make an attack, you'll loose your unit. But the idea, is to run them out of ammo, so that their Helis can not resupply.

When doing this, make sure to put several purchases out for defensive heli missiles, that way, your competing with the bad guy trying to restock his DHM.

check the quality of his supply units, if they are poor or mid-range quality, this will have a dramatic effect on the resupply. So a heavy wave of jeeps can reduce the effectiveness of the bad guys DHM.

how ever, most the time, this is only works as a surprise, considering that it is easily countered, with ground units (counter attack,) and transferring HQ ammo from another country, or use of space shuttles.


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 09:53 pm Click here to edit this post
If a country is close range, I.E. border country, or under 1000, you must have a ground unit with in 35 of the target, as a spotter, or your airforce will operate at 25% effectiveness.

SF are perfect for this

i recommend maintaining 20 Military Tranport Units in peace time, and keep a reserve of 5K MTA in your ceo


Wednesday, July 31, 2013 - 10:06 pm Click here to edit this post
keep in mind, that learning/discovering this, has taken years, and some would even say i sold my sim-soul to learn it. but here it is for every one!

more to come, but i might be done with the military stuff. allot of the stuff thats left, is either stuff i wouldn't recommend using, or is Hydra-only knowledge.


Thursday, August 1, 2013 - 02:34 am Click here to edit this post
20 fully upgraded air wings, have the firepower of 80, at 100Q, from before quality upgrades


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:27 am Click here to edit this post
Easy ASQ

i have to put into a plug here, that allot of this is going to be common market stuff.

ASQ, Average Supply Quality.

The quality of your supplies factors into the final product.

Some supplies, like FMUs, EP, and HP, even Chemicals to a degree, cover the highest portion of material cost.

Other supplies like HTS, Services, Air Transport AT, software, and such, are cheaper, per volumn of total supplies.

By buying things like FMUS, and EP at lower quality, and things like Services and Books and News Papers, at a higher quality, the cheaper increase offsets the lost supply q, while reducing the over all cost.

To test this, take a HTS corp, manually sell to it the monthly consumption of AT, and B&N. and set the q of its supplies to 120. give it a week, you'll probably get at least a 60% profit increase.


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:33 am Click here to edit this post
great, every one knows this, but the turn off, is setting up dozens, or hundreds of contracts. just to find out your wrong, or the GM change something.

the easy way.

put all your countries and ceo's into a single Common Market, CM. just yours, so you know what hte quality is.

for each country, offer 100% of the production, then on country at a time, accept all CM and Local market contracts for your corporations.

Then go to your corps menu, and contracts, accept and cancel. from their cancel all the contract you don't want. your first time, this should take a couple hours. after wards, it gets much easier.

as far as canceling contracts, first ignore the "sell," part, if you are contracting to your self, ever sell has a buy, and you can cut your work in half, buy just looking at the "buy,"

you do not want to over contract, as you are paying for more than you can use.

make sure to cancel all FMU, EP, HP, and Chemical contracts. you'll probably cancel allot more than just those, but you can be certain you don't want them.

it takes a little practice to get it right.

set your corp supply quality to 120, that way the FMUs, EP, HP you did not contract, will be bought at the min price.


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:39 am Click here to edit this post
you can do something similar with your country,

buy things like construction, services, hts, allot of the high volumn cheap stuff at high q. contract it from your CM, or set your priorities in trade strategies, for high q

things like jewelry, and cars, boats, buy at low q, do not contract them from your cm, and set the trade strat goal to 120 for stuff like that.

this will save you money on monthly supplies, and increase your countries welfare index.


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:42 am Click here to edit this post
later on, with new corps, or making adjustments, you don't have to do all the corps together, but just check the appropriate box for the corp you want to update, managing ASQ is much easier than setting it up.

Mongolian Stomper

Friday, August 2, 2013 - 04:57 am Click here to edit this post
please shut up. i'm sick of this already. Pale Rider


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 03:19 pm Click here to edit this post
then dont read it,

there's allot stuff here that really should be common knowledge. and i put in some stuff that most vets have a difficult time with, or usually don't (can't) do.

and i'm going to probably talk about how to easily do IPOs next.

Mongolian Stomper

Friday, August 2, 2013 - 05:22 pm Click here to edit this post
well i myself think you're goal here is to fatten the noobs up for the kill. that is what you're up to isn't it. go ahead and deny but i'm not fooled.


Friday, August 2, 2013 - 10:02 pm Click here to edit this post
Thank you for all this. I always enjoy it when people who have actually taken the time to dive into how the game works share their knowledge.

XON Xyooj

Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 01:53 am Click here to edit this post
great stuff :)
have to find times to look intothem.

thank you :)


Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 02:06 am Click here to edit this post
xon and mad thanks, i saw your comment a couple days ago xon, my understanding of what you said, is the game needs a higher skill base, that is, more skilled players. which many, many, agree with. that is actually the biggest thing holding back the sim-war game.

sim-warlords, are a dying breed, endangered. this kind of info used to be drug around the forums, with various warlords bragging about their tactics. how ever, at some point, it became immoral to use info of this type, and one by one the great warlords of past, went on to other pastures.

PR, for sim-country to become half of what it once was... much of the info here should be a "par" level, of skill.


Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 03:14 am Click here to edit this post
Easy IPOs

I posted a IPO basics guide, here in the beginners forum, i'll defer to that for allot of the info, of what can be done with IPOs, and value of doing them.

Here, i'm more interested in making the process easier. This is going to be more browser tricks than actual game mechanics. but this will introduce you to the way i was able to mega-manage large empires, on multiple planets.

right click, and create a new window.

this works wonders for naming corps, keep your list. right click, open in a new tab, from the second window, rename the corp, then go back to your corps in the first window, saving tons of time, as opposed to loading every single page

this also works wonders for IPOs

start out in your empire list, go to your main country, and click on leader, or go to financial list, from your empire menu. From their, right click, and open the country window for the country you are selling stocks from

from that second window, go to your share portfolio, where it list the corps your country owns stock in, in the first list, and a second for your Investment funds. the this list would be the one that has the corps in it, that you are IPOing. you can select those, by using the check marks. and sell an obsurd amount. the game will automatically adjust to the max sellable, with out making you figure it out for each. and place those on the market.

leaving that window alone. go back to the first one, with the empire list, click on the country you wish to purchase. then go back to the second window, right click on "buy," that is on the right, across for the indivual corp, open that in a new tab. the game will adjust for being in the second country, and buy max for your IF, 12%. then close that window, that is the one you placed the order in. if you get confused, press the back arrow in your browser. and on down the line, this wount take very long with a little practice.

this will allot your to mass buy and sell shares, quickly.

a second part of that. when having the checks in the boxes, like for the set up. if you are in a second country, that has already made the first round of purchases, you can click buy, in the set-up window, and it will automatically update that window, for your new country (it can't actually buy that way,) and will auto-check those same corps, in the IF list, and you can then make a mass purchase, for a second 12%

i get that this may not make since, forgive me, i did try.


Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 04:14 am Click here to edit this post
thats probably all i've got for a while

XON Xyooj

Saturday, August 3, 2013 - 04:18 am Click here to edit this post
if there is only one good player, what fun is there? :)

this game needs to be challenging with many many great players.

playing against the computer is just damn boring.

Marco Guerra

Monday, August 12, 2013 - 06:27 am Click here to edit this post


Saturday, August 17, 2013 - 03:33 am Click here to edit this post
yea, i was just thinking about something to ramble on about

bit of advise for all players, WL3 and up, be ready

when i was new, i started out in the middle of a hostile federation territory. how was i suppose to know? i was new.

the guy that introduced me to the game, had his countries nuke below the C3 starting point, for refusing to join a fed.

i was offered a fed position, in the largest fed on the planet. i went into chat, and talked to the guy. he told me not to worry about defending myself, he would defend me, i should build econ.

a week later, i was told to remove myself from the fed, because they had violated a treaty, with the locals, and i was alone in the middle of a bunch of vets, that wouldn't return my messages.

don't join a fed expecting them to defend you. of course they will do what they can, but they are people with jobs, families, school, and what not. be prepared to fend for your self. because chances are, you'll be alone at least the first day of war. you want to be able to atleast hold out until your allies can help.

of course, that would be a min, although, i wouldn't shy from joining a fed, if you are not equiped, asking what the min fed defense is, well some one was probably not sure how to ask that question.

the most important thing about a fed is communication. Sim Country is a long term game. you will make friends you'll talk to, for years. and enemies.


Saturday, August 24, 2013 - 03:57 am Click here to edit this post
weird ceo money trick.

IPO corps, and then set their share goal to 1%. once it reaches 1%, manually sell the last part. essentially, you'll get the value of the corp payed into your pocket, over about 2-3 weeks.

don't close the corp, that would hose the share holders, who will invest in your next one, just sell the last bit, for the next guy that might what to buy a corp like that. and their are people who do.


Friday, September 20, 2013 - 07:31 am Click here to edit this post
i've been considering, with the forced downsizing of simcountry. and the GM improving the output of ammo corps, whether the long term effects of special weapons/ammo corps pays off

a conventional missile corp produces 2 missiles a GM, thats over 2k in 6 months. if i'm happy to live peacefully, but stack up some weapons. 2 of those in my ceo, would land me over 15K in 2 rl years. in a pinch, thats is allot of fire power.

setting yourself up to buy small portions, that you can handle, over a couple of years of nasty politics, may not be enough, but if you intend to be involved, start small, it'll go along way.

XON Xyooj

Friday, September 20, 2013 - 10:38 am Click here to edit this post
an AK47 is an AK47 wherever it is on earth
an M16 is an M16 wherever it is on earth

you cannot get these weapons in Q100, Q200, Q300, etc...???

every earth product has a name, if the product is of different quality or characteristics then it has a different name.

sc needs to be simple, not too complicated as it is now :)


Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 05:51 am Click here to edit this post
I think the idea may relate to effectiveness of a weapon system overall; as an example, hand grenades. During the Korean was, the Chicom grenades were notorious for not exploding, or malfunctioning far more often than high quality U.S. and Russian grenades. This may carry thru to artillery shells, etc., which may be able to be fired, but if they are duds or are inaccurate this reduces their effectiveness. Ditto for an AK-47 which fires ammo that is sub-par; It may jam (and the early M-16s were infamous for this)due to faulty ammo, design flaws and so forth. The German Tiger tank of WW2 was the most powerful and fearsome tank on earth at the time, but it was constantly breaking down, reducing it effectiveness. Or the Japanese A6M Mitsubishi, which was fast and well armed, and very maneuverable, but was also very flimsy compared to American aircraft after 1942, again reducing its effective "Q".


Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 03:14 am Click here to edit this post
but an AK47 and M16 fill the same role, with different names, and can then be produced at different qualities, by different corporations.

what i was talking about, was the time based build up of special weapons.

how many nukeswould you go through in a war? figure out a way to build that many, in like a year, or 2. and do it.

1 convMissile corp produces 2 missiles a GM, that is how many in 6 months? if you want to be war ready in 6 months, and you want that weapon, you should build a couple. in the grand scheme, it wont cost much, but for such a powerful weapon as conv missiles, they can be allot of firepower, in a pinch. same with ship based cruise. with future game changes to the navy, having a nice stock pile of those, might be prudent.

some of the hard to get ammo, that is bread and butter stuff, like p bombs, and fighter missiles, OAAM, MRM, you also might consider. having a stock pile of these, is a must. but you can just buy them, you might be better off stashing money, and buying in parts. you'd end up with higher Q that way. or a mix of the both?

XON Xyooj

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 02:00 pm Click here to edit this post
you don't need nukes in this game, it's just an ego to produce them (speaking of myself :))

the war game is just too lame for me, but i like the challenge of resources management in this game, eventhough i do question how they determine the amount of materials and workers to produce a product :)

every product has a specific name and it has its unique specifications. if the specifications are different then the product has a different name. AK47 and M16 do the same role, but their effectiveness are different, that's why an M16 is not a Q200 AK47, or vice versa?

does a Q200 precision bomb works better than twice a Q100 precision bomb? are there more materials going into the Q200 bomb?

the concept of "quality" is a personal preference, a personal bias, a subjective judgement, etc....


Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 03:54 pm Click here to edit this post
Xon dude, this is getting old.

Ofcourse 200Q bombs are twice as effective as 100Q bombs, and making an issue of it, is pretty lame.

Xon, have you heard the saying, "I can't see the forest through all the trees"

dude, it works, its not perfect, but many people have easily grasped and mastered concepts in this game that you are wringing your hands over.


thier are millions of real world products. ofcourse you're not going to be able to simulate all of them. many of them are gonna be generalized, for simplicity purposes. Their isn't an "AK 47," corp. and their isn't even a "Small arms corp," its assumed that it is incorporated into other corp types, like SF, or light jeeps. its not necessary to have such a corp, to safely assume the presence of a personal assault rifle. So what if and AK47 isn't a M16. it can be assumed that the appropriate material is incorporated into the most appropriate corp type.

And so what if the raw supplies aren't what you think they should be. its very distracting to have so many beginners threads hyjacked to complain it doesn't work the way you think it should. if you feel the need to complaign that it doesn't work your way, start a thread on the succestions or help forum. rather than derail attempts to increase the Game skill level, please!

the GM occasionally add corp type for more detail, like Pharmaceutical Products, but it isn't necessary, or practical to an enth degree

get off the micro-detail, and enjoy the game, dude!

The Honey Badger

Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 04:46 pm Click here to edit this post
^thank you

XON Xyooj

Monday, September 23, 2013 - 05:40 am Click here to edit this post
i'm trying to have fun, but i need to first understand the logic of this game :)

it's an awesome game, i'm just not getting the logic of it yet. it's too hard to pretend contrary to what is existing that i known on earth. :)


Monday, July 14, 2014 - 02:18 pm Click here to edit this post
Lots of great info here.


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