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Aries C3 War Guide (Air)

Topics: Beginners: Aries C3 War Guide (Air)

Aries

Friday, August 21, 2015 - 06:38 am Click here to edit this post
This guide will focus on how to raid c3s using air force units. The steps given assume that the goal is to maximize the amount of cash obtained, gain some population, and then drop the country. This guide describes an ideal method of raiding until war level 6.

One quick thing about war levels. To maximize cash as you raid c3s I recommend:

- If you are war level 0, you have to raid a war level 1 c3.
- If you just made war level 1, raid a war level 2 c3. You can raid a war level 2 c3 5 times before advancing to war level 3.
- If you are war level 3+, always raid a c3 at your war level. Every 4 wars won will advance you to the next war level.

In this way, you can complete 18 wars (on each world) using the steps in this guide before advancing to war level 6.

1. Obtain the necessary weapons and ammo. I recommend the minimum of:

Purchase at 330 quality:
400 Fighter Planes
40,000 Fighter Missiles
600 Precision Bombers
80,000 Precision Bombs
500 Interceptors (You can wait until war level 4)
45,000 Interceptor Missiles (You can wait until war level 4)

Purchase at 120 quality:
100 Military Transport Planes
4 Special Forces Units
1000 Special Forces Missiles

2. Form the following units:

Unit 1 (300 Fighter Planes/100 Precision Bombers)
Unit 2 (400 Precision Bombers)
4 - Air Transport Units with 25 Military Transport Planes each
4 - Special Forces Units
4 - Defense Interceptor Units (You can wait until war level 4)

3. Declare War on a C3 that meets the following criteria:

- It is not adjacent to the country you are raiding with
- It is within 2000 range. Use measure distance or if country is within 4-5 countries of you, it is probably in range.
- It has the most state corporations possible. 15+ is ideal. The more, the better.

4. Give air drop orders to your special forces units to drop on the targeted country.

5. Use Unit 1 (300 fighters/100 bombers) to attack the DEFENSES of a county or town. You should lose bombers and in return be shooting down interceptors. Continue doing this until no defense interceptor wings respond to your attack.

6. Use Unit 1 (300 fighters/100 bombers) to attack the Interceptor Wings directly. Easiest way is to select these units from the target list (not the map). This will destroy the units.

7. Use Unit 2 (400 bombers) to attack the DEFENSES once, this should destroy all defending weapons, and then TARGET of all corporations. Again, using the target list is the easiest way and destroy all corporations.

8. Move the special forces units you dropped around the country. This will "paint" the country, occupying territory that will allow you to win. Check the War Index of the c3 and look to see you get all 25 occupation points. Also, after getting the occupation points, check the total War Index of the c3. If it is zero, or less, you can attack the defenses of a county/town with either Unit 1 or 2 , for no losses, and win the war at that point, and skip step 9.

9. Use Unit 2 (400 bombers) to attack the Defenses and then target of the capital and then cities until you reduce the war index to 0, and win the war.

10. Use the "return" command to call your special forces units back to your country.

11. Change to the country you just conquered. Turn the automation setting "Automatic building of new corporations" off.

12. In the country you conquered, go to "employment" and "exchange professionals" and transfer 200,000 workers of your choice back to your main country.

13. Wait one game month.

14. In the country you conquered, go to "employment" and "exchange professionals" and transfer 200,000 workers of your choice back to your main country.

15. In the country you conquered, sell products of your choice ("trade" -> "trade with countries and enterprises directly") back to your main country (you will effectively get these for free). Production plants are particularly valuable followed by usually well-stocked items like airplane fuel, gasoline, services, military services, and trucks.

16. Complete the transaction by switching to your main country and accepting the sales.

17. Transfer all cash out of the conquered country ("Direct Trade" -> "receive game money from countries and enterprises"). You can use the same area to transfer the cash to your main country ("send game money to countries and enterprises").

18. Drop the country ("Account and Membership" -> "Countries and Enterprises" -> "Cancel a Country")

Jock

Friday, August 21, 2015 - 02:13 pm Click here to edit this post
If you don't dec a level higher on your fourth war you wont get a GC reward but your WL will be bumped up ;)

Aries

Friday, August 21, 2015 - 03:03 pm Click here to edit this post
I tested it. You get the coins. I tried to keep it simple, and complete, though when you are ready for your fourth war at war level 3 it might be better to dec a war level 4 country to get about double the cash. After that, the cash difference is negligible and you might as well keep decs to your war level.

I need to mention, as you go up in war level, you might need more than one Unit 1 or 2. That or, as you take losses, you need to disband and remake the unit to full strength periodically to retain its effectiveness.

Jock

Friday, August 21, 2015 - 04:56 pm Click here to edit this post
It's been changed then. I remember complaining about it not to long ago.

Zentrino

Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 10:06 pm Click here to edit this post
I am trying this tonight. I have been buying the weapons over the past day or so. I already did the "win a war in 10 minutes" thing. I wish I had known this. I didn't get any of the money or workers out before I canceled the country.

Does it matter that I am already WL 1 since I won the war against a c3 once already? About how much money should I get from the country so I know that I have done it correctly?

Thanks,
Zen.

Zentrino

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 03:10 am Click here to edit this post
This worked faster than you even said. I didn't need to paint anything. I even had corps left to destroy when I won. I also transferred almost 1T out and it was a level 1 plus almost 400k workers. Everything but teacher, nurses, doc, and LMH workers.

Aries

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 03:15 am Click here to edit this post
Level 1 is cake. The guide is to work up to war level 6 and teaches the strategy that will hold through those war levels.

You only get 6 total wars until you are advanced to war level 3. You should dec a war level 2 next to collect $500 billion more/war.

Zentrino

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 04:19 am Click here to edit this post
I figured tonight I would go through the level 1 decs and then start level 2 tomorrow. When transferring workers, it said I could do up to 400k within my empire. Does that mean my main country can transfer 400k to each country I win tonight or is that total for the month?

Aries

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 04:50 am Click here to edit this post
You should be sending workers back to your main country. The newer countries are limited at transferring 200k. Your main has the same limit in receiving from these countries so, I believe, it can only receive workers from 1 of the c3s/month.

Zentrino

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 05:44 am Click here to edit this post
With the second country tonight, it put me to WL2. I transferred out every worker but ML and LL workers. I also transferred out all of the money and basically purchased almost everything from it and transferred all of that out as well. I cancelled the country then.

Question on the weapons in the C3s. I figured I didn't want to buy them because they would be low quality, but should I sell them on the market and then transfer out everything out? I would need to keep the country for a while to do it but it may be worth it if the weapons are worth enough, especially at higher levels?
What is the lowest quality weapon I should accept to purchase for my country, generally speaking?

Aries

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 06:23 am Click here to edit this post
You can take the weapons. They are not worth much, at any war level, but the argument to take them is the ease of getting them. You don't need to sell them, you can simply transfer them with the "transfer goods" option.

Lowest quality weapon is an interesting question. I will leave some things for you to figure out but consider that the cost of using weapon upgrades to increase the quality is constant/weapon regardless of the value of that weapon.

Zentrino

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 06:47 am Click here to edit this post
Sounds good. I think I will take one more tonight and call it good. I see I have already taken more cash than it cost to buy the weapons so I have more than made my money back.

Tomorrow, I will get the level 4 weapons ordered with a goal of WL4 by the weekend.

Zentrino

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 07:27 am Click here to edit this post
I didn't get any GCs for WL 2. Was I supposed to?

Aries

Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 04:20 pm Click here to edit this post
This answer is found in the war docs under "levels and declarations". Gold coins for raising war level do not start until level 4.

Zentrino

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 05:28 am Click here to edit this post
I see that now. Thank you!

One last question (I think) on this. I see that my country is automatically ordering replacement ammo as I am using it but it is not at 330 quality. I was going to set it order those products at 330 all the time, but I think I am going to set it buy a small amount of ammo every month (say 10,000) until I have a supply of a specific amount (say 100,000 for now). Am I looking at that correctly? If I click the units button (instead of months) and then put 100,000 in the first box and 10,000 in the second, it will auto order 10k per month until I have a supply of 100k and then will always maintain 100k. All of the orders will be 330Q.
Does that sound like a good idea so I can build a surplus without having to log in every month and buy ammo?

Aries

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 05:42 am Click here to edit this post
I don't currently use order strategy for ammo. Primarily because I look for deals and like to manually place my own orders for weapons and ammo. I think your explanation on how it works is close enough except I believe the maximum quality for auto-orders is 300.

Zentrino

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 05:54 am Click here to edit this post
Ok good to know. Thank you! I am close to WL4. Once I win the war I am in right now, I think I need 1 more. I'll probably go for it tonight.

Aries

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 06:06 am Click here to edit this post
I peaked at your current war. You are missing the "painting" step. You are expending much more ammo hitting additional cities, forts, and towns than you need to.

edit: In fact, check the log. Your last handful of attacks are expending ammo and doing damage to a country that will soon be yours but is not affecting the war index. Those last 10 points you need to paint for. The other 15 points you could have gained would have saved you quite an ammo bill.

Zentrino

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 06:14 am Click here to edit this post
Yeah I was waiting on the troops to arrive and thought they were taking a long time. I realized I "moved" them instead of "airdropped" them so I have corrected that.

I also just saw that I had it at 90 and nothing was changing it. Waiting on the airdrops to arrive to finish it off. I just thought it was taking longer because it is level 3.

Zentrino

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 06:42 am Click here to edit this post
When I get to WL4, I have the Def INT units now. Do I send them to the country I attacked and let them defend my units? I can't attack with them since they are defensive, right.

Aries

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 05:51 pm Click here to edit this post
Just station them in your country. They will respond to the c3 stealth bombers that will attempt to attack your fighters and precision bombers.

Zentrino

Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 06:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Ah thanks! I made it to level 4. I may try to fight my first level 4 tonight if I have time. If not, tomorrow then :)

thomas.morgan2

Tuesday, January 19, 2016 - 11:41 am Click here to edit this post
Bump. Helpful, thanks.

Wolfgang

Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:02 am Click here to edit this post
Once you hit WL 3 the documentation says you can't move up to 4 unless you declare against a 4 & win. Is this still true?

Aries

Wednesday, January 27, 2016 - 01:41 am Click here to edit this post
"Game Update" October 22, 2014
66. War Levels [ top ]

After fighting 4 wars against C3 countries at your current war level, your war level will auto increase.
Increasing war levels win you gold coins on all the five worlds but the number of gold coins is higher on the Fearless Blue world.

When starting a war against a C3 country, you can now choose between multiple options. You can start a war at a higher war level. Winning such a war will move you to the next war level.
You can start a war against a C3 country at the same war level you are. Such a war will win you the resources in the country and will move you to the next war level only after you win 4 such wars.

A new option, allows you to start a war against a C3 country at war level 3. The war may win you the country but there are no money rewards. The feature is added on request of some players for strategic reasons, trying to win a country closer to an area where they intend to fight a different war.

William Miller

Tuesday, August 9, 2016 - 12:26 pm Click here to edit this post
Great article Aries! At what level would supply units be needed?

marshal.ney

Sunday, August 21, 2016 - 02:21 am Click here to edit this post
Bump. this should be stickied.

marshal.ney

Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 02:22 am Click here to edit this post
Input desired.

What about stationing an air defense garrison at the offensive military airports(s) in your country to beef up defense against the stealth bomber wings?

Similar. In opposition to going against a town or city's defenses in stage 1, how about going after the stealth bomber wing's defenses, and then against it directly, once the garrison is removed? Dropping them along with the interceptors. Wouldn't that hold down losses on the precision bomber meat shield?

quiet518

Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 03:44 am Click here to edit this post
1 Problem with attacking in the certain cornered-in place im in, I GET INTO LOTS OF WARS AND RUN OUT OF TROOPS BEFORE I CAN DESTROY 1 DAMN FORT

marshal.ney

Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 09:34 pm Click here to edit this post
You shouldn't be attacking fortifications, they aren't listed as targets in the guide. PvP is a whole other ball of wax.

Zentrino

Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 09:36 pm Click here to edit this post
You don't have to worry about stealths until higher levels. This guide is for WLs below that.
Quiet: There is no need to destroy a fort to win a C3 war. They take up a lot of ammo to destroy and not worth the cost.

marshal.ney

Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 09:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Zentrino, I hit stealth bombers in war level 4 - 1 wing. At war level 5 now, and there are 2 stealth bomber wings per c3. Aries said "This guide describes an ideal method of raiding until war level 6."


So any advice on how better to deal with these is appreciated. I'm going with the interceptor wings,and air defense garrison in the FOB. I think the casualties are a tiny bit less going after the bomber wings directly, but not enough gathered data to confirm that yet. Bombers are expensive early on, and I'd like to keep down costs, so I can begin putting together more of an effective defense for federated countries.

Cordially yours,
MNey

marshal.ney

Monday, September 12, 2016 - 06:36 pm Click here to edit this post
Fighters do not show Stealth bombers with a hit rate or damage via the documentation, ditto for the obverse.

Theinventor1012

Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 02:27 am Click here to edit this post
Could this strategy be applied to countries owned by players? Especially player owned ones that are defenseless?

marshal.ney

Sunday, October 30, 2016 - 08:17 am Click here to edit this post
If they truly are defensless, certain portions of it. You could skip attack a county until all interceptor wings are gone. Move right on to corps. The problem is whether they remain defenseless from the time you declare until the time the war actually starts. (it's not immediate as in a c3 war.)

The method of running them to a war index of O is going to revolve around that. Painting always helps. If there are defenses, you'll want FO's within 35 km of targets when you attack with air assets. (time etc permitting.)

And remember, if they are in a fEd, that's going to change things also. If someone is within range to defend, interceptors or helicopters etc will be engaging your troops. a 3 wing fed air umbrella is going to shred the troops this calls for. Use it as a platform, but not a schematic for learning how combat works, and how to take someone down.


(sorry to answer that, but it's been a few days with no othe wiser heads chiming in.)

hoahuongduong5

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 03:57 pm Click here to edit this post
Aries. You mean all those weapons are to take all 18 wars of C3 at war level 1 to 3?

Aries

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 04:06 pm Click here to edit this post
No, on several counts. You can win up to 6 wars at war level 1-2 before advancing to war level 3. The weapons mentioned are a minimum number I would recommend before starting a given war. At higher war levels, you will likely find you need more weapons and might find making a few more units useful. The exact number of weapons you need will largely depend on quality and, of course, the war level of the C3. You want each attack you make to be from one of your units as close to full strength as possible. Ideally, you have just enough bombers to absorb your losses on each attack. You can experiment with more or less bombers for greater success.

The goal of the guide is to get used to using a sound strategy for Simcountry wars. The best lessons to learn are the basics of forming useful units, learning to use sacrificial weapons to minimize losses, and picking the order of targets to strike. It is likely at the lowest of the war levels, you will find the going easy, but it is important to not be complacent. Mistakes made at lower war levels are not very costly but imperfections in your technique are quite costly as you raise war level. The guide is written very carefully, for example, when talking about what targets to shoot at. It is very important to follow these directions to avoid unnecessary loss and understand the basics of war.

hoahuongduong5

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 07:25 pm Click here to edit this post
I tried your method by attacking a county first. All 300 Fighters & missiles were gone in the first attack. I don't know what was wrong. It was a c3 bordering.

Aries

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 07:29 pm Click here to edit this post
Did you attack the county or the DEFENSES of a county? There is a world of difference. If you attacked the county, as you said, you missed properly following the guide and likely met with some trouble.

hoahuongduong5

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 10:07 pm Click here to edit this post
I attacked the county after Long Range Airplane detected. I did not know where the defense of the county was.

Yankee

Wednesday, March 29, 2017 - 10:31 pm Click here to edit this post
that is the difference between "Attack Target" and "Attack Defense".

hoahuongduong5

Thursday, March 30, 2017 - 01:13 am Click here to edit this post
Got it, Yankee

hoahuongduong5

Friday, April 14, 2017 - 12:53 am Click here to edit this post
What war level that your SLAVE country can be attacked by others?

Yankee

Friday, April 14, 2017 - 03:08 am Click here to edit this post
Three I do believe .. click on the WL on your country page.

There is some information there.

hoahuongduong5

Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 03:08 pm Click here to edit this post
Aries and Yankee. I have several Air Planes in the country. However, I don't know what they used for. Is there any document that explain the products used in the game? I guess they could be used for transportation but I am not sure because my country transportation index stays the same.

hoahuongduong5

Sunday, April 23, 2017 - 03:12 pm Click here to edit this post
Aries and Yankee. I have several Air Planes in the country. However, I don't know what they used for. Is there any document that explain the products used in the game? I guess they could be used for transportation but I am not sure because my country transportation index stays the same.

Yankee

Monday, April 24, 2017 - 03:43 am Click here to edit this post
Well, you can either sort through the game documents, or maybe mention exactly what type of air craft you are referring to so that either one of us could point you toward the link.

hoahuongduong5

Monday, April 24, 2017 - 12:50 pm Click here to edit this post
Yankee. It is the fifth product in "Buy and Sell"
Air Transport
Aircraft Carrier
Aircraft Fuel
Airforce Maintenance
Airplanes

Aries

Monday, April 24, 2017 - 10:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Airplanes is a corporate supply product for Airports and Asset Maintenance corps. Examples of planes that a country uses directly are cargo airplanes, which move relief supplies, and military transport planes, which move your military forces.

Jhinkk

Friday, April 28, 2017 - 06:54 pm Click here to edit this post
This guide has helped my war experience so much. I have made some mistakes along the way, but this has helped bring my empire together as a whole. Thank you

Charlemange The Great

Tuesday, May 2, 2017 - 08:05 am Click here to edit this post
Greatest advice I've seen

Charlemange The Great

Tuesday, May 2, 2017 - 08:23 am Click here to edit this post
Do you have to wait 7 days to exchange goods?

Skandar

Thursday, June 15, 2017 - 01:05 pm Click here to edit this post
Does anyone know how I return my Air Transport Units from the country I've just conquered?

I can't find an option to do it anywhere, other than dismantling the units.

Yankee

Friday, June 16, 2017 - 01:01 am Click here to edit this post
they should return on their own ... hey if you just conquered a country the pilots are probably taking a little R&R.

Skandar

Friday, June 16, 2017 - 09:19 am Click here to edit this post
They didn't, even after 2 months. I don't even think the climate there was particularly nice for R&R - lazy buggers!

I dismantled the units and reformed them. Strangely, I did this after dropping the country - my units were still shown as being in foreign territory.

Skandar

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 09:21 am Click here to edit this post
My first war at level 4 has not started well.

I attacked the defences of a county with stealth bombers and they got wiped out before exhausting the C3's interceptors.

What have I done wrong?

Letsie

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 01:05 pm Click here to edit this post
You should try to get rid of their air defenses before using stealth bombers.

Skandar

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 02:00 pm Click here to edit this post
Is that by drawing them out with a Fighter Plane/Precision Bomber unit attack on the defences of a city or county, or by attacking the air defence units directly?

Sheepman Barren

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 04:00 pm Click here to edit this post
No.

Build a unit, bomber unit, 300 fighters 100 bombers, and click a town to attack and choose to bomber unit. Then when on attack interface, click (attack target defense) and the bomber unit will attack, inwhich the defense interceptors respond, and will be destroyed, depending on number of wings will be iterations for attack.

ps: air transport units are like supply units they do as they please.

Skandar

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 05:06 pm Click here to edit this post
My bomber unit (300 fighters/100 bombers) was wiped out in 4 iterations attacking the defences of a town.

The country's interceptors were still responding.

Charlemange The Great

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 06:40 pm Click here to edit this post
Make sure the quality of your weapons and ammunition are around 330

Skandar

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 06:48 pm Click here to edit this post
They're at 300 (the max you can order). Would the extra 30 really make a significant difference?

I also had a unit within 35km of the target which I believe is supposed to improve accuracy

Yankee

Sunday, July 16, 2017 - 08:21 pm Click here to edit this post
you can "order" 330 quality .. sometimes it works sometimes it changes to "any".

310 quality seems to be the best I can get reliably.

Charlemange The Great

Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 02:43 am Click here to edit this post
And have multiple air and bombing things so you can knock out interceptors in waves of attacks

Yankee

Tuesday, July 18, 2017 - 03:06 am Click here to edit this post
1. If you are going to use Fighters/bombers to bleed interceptor units, pick on a county or some other target with no defense and use the attack defense button there.

2. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Skandar

Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 09:32 am Click here to edit this post
Well, I've just had 3 more units wiped out by enemy interceptors and still not eliminated their units.

Has anyone got any advice on what type of units to use, their composition, and what to target at in a C3 at war level 4?

That said, I can no longer afford to replenish my military so I might have to wait a bit to rebuild my finances.

Aries

Saturday, July 29, 2017 - 10:38 am Click here to edit this post
If you follow the guide carefully, you will do fine. If you don't read it very closely, you will die, badly.

Hint #1: If I put a word in all CAPS, it is that way for a reason. Stop on that word. Seep it in and understand the reason it is in caps. Hastily move forward without is bad news man.

Letsie

Monday, July 31, 2017 - 07:20 pm Click here to edit this post
Before my reset I used this guide up to war lvl 5 with good results. I've found a different strategie for the higher war levels. But I can confirm that it is VERY important to read it to the letter. (Capsing is so 1999:P)

You need quite a lot of money to get this started but DON'T take lower quality goods. It's really important to have good quality troops.


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