| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:14 pm |
I offer not to attack to allow negotiations between oursides.
If you are agreeable to a chat then sign up below.
Details can be arranged at a mutually agreeable time.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:19 pm |
I agree not to attack as well in order for possible negotiations to take place.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:28 pm |
Dereg thy nations on Eridana and those surrounding Got Some Death to Do.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:33 pm |
Yah pretty much what laguna said, terms as to how it's done and how long to comply (in some instances depending on the country) are negotiable however the base terms are not.
So if you still wish to talk, it can be arranged otherwise there won't be much to talk about.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:35 pm |
Before a truce? Whilst you maintain your war c3s? I think not. A truce followed by a mutual withdrawl yes.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:36 pm |
Sorry yankee you posted whilst I was writing. If we are agreed on a truce. Then we can arrange c3 withdrawl once everyone has checked in.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:37 pm |
checked in where?
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:41 pm |
Well if everyone pops a little message on here, we know everyone is informed. If you can get yourside to check in or you can on their behalf if you have spoken to them already.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:43 pm |
Andy Clark is not on at the moment, but I guess I can say he is agreeable due to earlier conversation with him.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:47 pm |
I'm in the SC chat while I've not spoken with borderC I have with Laguna.
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 10:48 pm |
mIRC is better for something like this though
| Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 11:33 pm |
Are we going to do this or not?
We'll be waiting on IRC.
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:15 am |
Guys, as it stands right now we do NOT have an agreement for a ceasefire or have any negotiations started.
I generally attempt to allow people the benefit of doubt in these situations until proven they cannot be trusted.
Therefore I personally, will keep the fights going using one weapon at a frequency designed to keep the wars going with countries I am interested in at this time. There shouldn't be much if any damage from these attacks.
I won't do this for long but a it should be long enough for all interested parties to state intentions.
War declarations may even continue as they where timed to take place anyway. So far Vali hasn't seen any real problem with the basic stance we hold for letting the fight go so, I really see no real problems unless negotiations fall through completely.
In which case we are all no better or worse off than the current situations. If an accord is reached it's easy enough to let the wars expire.
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:17 am |
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:44 am |
What happened with Wolf4 as far as a truce?
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:05 am |
Well I guess Laguna didn't think truce was possible.
I'll do what I said for a short time, but it seems the basis for everyone's hesitation to stop is that 3M has been declaring by "mistake" for quite some time.
I've some experience with people doing that in the past so I can't argue against thier logic for continuing and, quite honestly going by what I'm told by my allies I'm not sure I want to.
Maybe it's possible to work this out, maybe not but either way 3M needs to realize there is a group of players out there that don't believe in "mistakes".
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:08 am |
Beside even though I stated my intentions I guess my opponet didn't and wants to continue so may as well figure for now at least even my part of the deal is off
Hostilities between Hunnish Pride and Single Tree
The Single Tree forces lost 1 anti aircraft missile battery, 1 missile interceptor battery, 200 ... etc.
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:10 am |
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 03:55 am |
Your generous offer of maintaining existing wars and declaring new ones will be missed.
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 05:45 am |
I would imagine it will
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 06:13 am |
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 10:47 am |
I will cease once 3M is capable of speaking as one and at least agree with the terms. Until then, I will continue.
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 02:41 pm |
and continue it shall
| Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 07:54 pm |
"I'm in the SC chat while I've not spoken with borderC I have with Laguna."
BorderC is not involved in this conflict. I think that was a mistake.
| Friday, January 16, 2009 - 01:27 am |
| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 05:43 am |
Well I suppose bobo and the rest was proven right, sirsmokesalot was present at the truce meetings and agreed.
Yet he's now broken the truce by using his C3 to attempt an invasion of single tree.
I hope you guys like what's coming next
| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 08:04 am |
And now another ... I can see the only mistake I made was taking vali at his word.
That won't happen again
| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 10:42 am |
Yankee, smokes is not in 3ms. What he choses to do is up to him. I cant tell other players what to do any more than you can.
I nor the 3ms have broken our agreement.
| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 11:58 am |
Welcome to The List, Smokes. I hope you use the rest of your time wisely.
| Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 04:28 pm |
SirSmokesAlot AKA King Terror where in 3M and where part of the orginal conflict.
SirSmokesAlot esp. even named his country "give me time to withdraw" while shoving in military and only changed it to rouge nation when he began attacking. The truce agreement YOU negotiated and HE agreed to gave him that opportunity.
Granted he didn't last long enough to bother me much and I did end up with alot more military from him than I would have gotten in a C3 and I would have taken that country eventually.
Anyone that doesn't take a hand in what I do next, will more than likely not be involved. However this instance only proves what everyone was telling me beforehand.
If these people ever show up in 3M or a 3M affilated federation then 3M will bear the brunt of harboring them. Until then just know I don't believe you or anyone else in 3M controls that fed which means in any future conflict there is nothing to talk about.
I negotiated for 3 seperate federations, and everyone involved had to this point done what I said they would.
So yes it's obvious I can tell other people to do, and it's probably the reason they are my allies. Laguna, bobo or Jason could have negotiated a binding truce, so yes THEY too can tell people what to do.
SSA didn't even let the current wars expire from the last conflict, they are one and the same, so excuse me if you don't see things from my point of view.
| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:20 am |
I didn't like the truce; if you were paying attention or kept a log you'll see I didn't explicitly agree to it and voiced some objections. Nevertheless, I had my chance to say "no", and didn't, and Vali had authority to negotiate on our behalf, so I accepted it. I've kept to the terms of the truce. I notice Yankee sent a nuke over 3 months after the truce, but I also see it was after Smokes' actions so it is understandable and I won't consider it a violation of the truce.
Smokes entered chat at the tail end of truce talks. He didn't agree to anything. Everyone left before he had a chance to agree or disagree. He expressed his dissatisfaction within our fed chat and we tried to calm him down. He left the fed and went rogue, his term. Actually his term was rouge, but I really don't think he's walking around with makeup on right now. Anyway, this puts 3M members in a difficult position. Smokes is still our fed brother. Others will see him that way whatever we say. If he succeeds militarily we can't even really join him without violating the spirit of the truce. Those who have had dealings with me in the past know, I hope, that I strive to be an honorable hun. I enjoy deceptions within the game, but consider negotiations to be outside that. Loss of integrity is worse than loss of assets. Smokes' leaving was not part of anyone's plan, except for possibly Smokes himself.
3M is Andy's fed and it's no secret that without him we are a bit chaotic. We're a bunch of guys who don't like to be told what to do. Our strength is our weakness. Andy enjoys fighting but is also a good diplomat, intra and inter fed. Andy will be back soon. Aryan and Red Dragon too, btw.
| Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:02 pm |
Actually Jo Jo I didn't like or even want the truce myself. Mostly because everyone was being left in a position to "come back soon".
Vali kept asking and while I do enjoy fighting, I really don't enjoy taking something someone has worked long and hard on. Hunnish Pride was a good country too good to be stripped but I also do not give back something I've had to take.
And you are correct I fired on Brunswick when SirSmokes alot tried to ram 100 or so units across my border, once it was obvious Brunswick wasn't taking a hand in the fight I never followed up.
If SirSmokesAlot didn't like the truce he should have never named his country "give me time to withdraw".
And as far as Andy being a "good diplomat", I would have to differ with you on that aspect. I had no contact with him this go however, last time he kept contradicting his previous messages with every new one.
Even Vali suffered from that problem however, vali was in what I considered a unique position. The countries he had in the war (that I was aware of) where from auto decs and were not part of the original players that declared on dub so by applying "leaway" it was my opinion he was dealing with a "clouds of war" situation.
Diplomats that cannot be trusted aren't and become increasingly less effective as time marches on.
You've made it plain in your post you have no intention of ever standing down and named several of your allies with similar lines of thought.
Roving gangs are something I'm well experienced in dealing with though my years in SC and unfortunetly they all seem to have one common factor. Members who do not like to be "told what to do".
All eventually had to deal with being "told" were they would even be allowed to survive. That has got to be a blow to someone's pride, but when they bring it on themselves, I can't have much sympathy.
Some left the game, a few didn't however those that stayed and actually built an empire effected a radical change in personality.
Maybe you guys are different and can force the issue, only time will tell. As for me I need a enemy to keep me from becoming lax so anyone targeting me may actually be doing me an off hand favor.
| Monday, January 19, 2009 - 12:57 pm |
My war c3s are starting to dereg now. I see laguana has already removed one, thanks.
I should have removed the remaining goodies by tonight.
| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 01:33 pm |
My c3s are no more. Firebase 1 shows no sign of being withdrawn however......
| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 03:11 pm |
Sorry I was out of town. I'll strip it off to day.
| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 10:34 pm |
well so far the country has been renamed but not removed.
| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 11:18 pm |
I doubt it will be until he gets his military back
| Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 11:18 pm |
Jason is removing assets first. Thanks Jason.
| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 12:24 am |
how long does it take to remove assets. it has 9mil pop he wouldnt risk a lot of cash in it or weapons like the name it was a launch site. it should not take long.
| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 12:44 am |
Maybe, he didn't had enough time to finish the stripping.
It's a C3, why are you worried?
| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 01:20 am |
Funny i'm fighting with c3's and its got yankee worried ;) so worried hes got 3 players to help.
| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 03:41 am |
I'm not worried, In fact I've killed everything you've sent against me all by my lonesome thank you
Simple fact is you refused to yield when everyone else did during a declared war .. stop whining.
| Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 07:57 pm |
well it is part of the truce it annoyes me i want it removed bc he agreed to
| Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 07:20 pm |
Everyone needs to take a breath,LOL. things take time,RL also has to be taken into consideration. If anyone needs to contact me for any reason,please feel free to. resp,,,andy