| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 01:25 am |
Hello.My anme is Andy Clark. I want to clear up any confusion about my 2 accounts.I have never kept them a secret and at the beguining of my game time I played for a couple of monthes for free and decided to become a full member. I found out as time went on that multiples are frowned upon.I will snail mail sim country when I send more money and ask that they be combined into One account as to avoid anymore confusion..I appologise to all for the recent developments and the wasted energy that has been spent on this! If I cannot merge my two accounts I will deactivate one of them.Sorry again,Reaspectfuly Andy cl,or ange clark. thank you for your time.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 06:46 am |
That should be a ban on all worlds. O Tommi?
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 03:28 pm |
I don't really care much about this, since I've seen that despite having two accounts, Andy did not do much bad things with it. I personally think that multiple accounts should not be an issue, if and only if both accounts are paid for. It will be an issue if the person misused the free accounts feature.
As such, in this case, if Andy decided to make both accounts into paid (which I think it's already done) then I think he should be forgiven. This is my opinion on this matter.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 04:12 pm |
Andy didnt do it on purpose he like myself at the beginning had multiple accounts not realizing that it was not a good thing I have since cancelled all but my main account Andy at least will admit to it and is doing something about it unlike others in this game. Andy used his accounts to better his Fed and to help other people out and then they call the kettle black. I think not. And that is my opinion on the matter.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 04:20 pm |
OK people...I will explain. Everyone is supposed to read the T&C before signing up, and it is also said elsewhere that multi accounts are frowned upon. There has never been an instance where w3c let a multi "combine his accounts" ever. If that were the case, everyone would be able to build more accounts and then just transfer those assets. Bottom line, multiying is cheating, and should not be rewarded in any fashion. And, since he has been playing for real months, not days, he should suffer the consequences any other player would.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 06:31 pm |
Can I say Bullcrap without my post being deleted LG??? it is easy to get rid of a second or a third or a fourth account! So simple as anyone who says they are sorry for it are playing us for fools or trying to in any case. Imagine a federation made up of just me? Imagine if I were to get all my accounts on the Security Council of the same world. Imagine if I wanted to blow people away but didnt want to risk my most productive countries..Imagine if I wanted to sow dissent, disinformation and agression between two feds? What better way then to have at least 2 accounts one in one fed as a respected member another respected in yet another fed (hey we can have a half dozen of these) then have the respected members of each claim they were attacked by the other and there of course is no making peace with those guys they are all evil. Crap this can go on and on!
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 06:33 pm |
I've stated before that SC is a game where there is no excuse to have multiples accounts.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 07:08 pm |
I just shut down All the Battle 1 countries! If that is not good enough then by all means do what has to be done.I enjoy this game and hopefully will continue to. I didnt transfer anything to attila,check it all out for yourselves. I await the GM,s descition.andy
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 07:55 pm |
This is what happened when you take a game seriously. Pretty seriously. Point taken: multi is a bad thing, and can lead to issues pointed out by our respected DavePat.
But then it will be truly stupid on anyone's side if it was pretty obvious that a certain someone is playing multi, and that person never ever attempted to hide it. My point is: Andy never intent on fooling anyone with this multi of his. None that I know of anyway.
He has made an erroneous decision, that is clear. What he done is something frowned upon, that is understandable. He should be punished, that is the GameMaster to decide. He asked for apology, that is truly a human thing to do.
I am a human too, and I accept his apology. To err is human, to forgive divine. It's as simple as that.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 10:18 pm |
Andy may not have kept his multi status from all players, but when I came back to the GB, it was because Andy had left, taking his warring to the Musketeers. Only Andy was still there as Ange.
So when Andy picked a fight over a Peace Treaty (I ought to post our messages back and forth) and I informed my Fed, there Ange was listening in on our conversations.
That is far from harmless.
I too forgive, though he wants none from me. I also expect that he will be back - a sort of Valdemort with his death eaters.
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 10:48 pm |
adam ,you and I are a seperate Issue.And buy the way,I OFFERED PEACE TO YOU TWICE. You were to paranoid to just take it and be done with the hostilities..accept you own actions for once! Andy
| Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 11:53 pm |
Well Andy was informed a long time ago that being a multi was frowned on and was given an opportunity to close one of the accounts. He chose not to do so when he was advised to do so. He made his bed, now let him lay in it. I stick to my unwavering stance that all multi's must die. Especially when given the opportunity to avoid a nasty retribution.
I have it on good information from a veteran that these facts as I have stated them are to be true. He was given a chance to make it right and declined until he was attacked. Now he wants to fix the situation and appeal to the hearts of players who don't know he was given every chance to stop and save himself a brutal ass whipping.
Let him die and let this be a message to all multi's that they will not be tolerated. It is cheating, plain and simple.
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 12:46 am |
well If that is how it is then I will take my whooping like a man ,heck,Ill even take down my deffences and not fight back.My only wish now is to be done with this mess.To start again if possible,and that My fed brothers be left out of the spnking session...If it is easier I can delete my countries my self,up to the community. All protection is off in I think ,all of my countries.I srewed up and thats that .Thanks to everyone for there two cents. Andy
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 01:43 am |
I think it is for the game master to decide what action if any to take against andy. As far as I am aware andy has not done anything underhand with his accounts it was never a secret.
This is a game and should be played by as many people as possible. Andy is a committed player and should be allowed to continue in this game.
As for any war to be undertaken....this is the war world!
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 04:52 am |
This is my opinion and it is a bias one because Andy is my friend. I knew of Andy's multiple accounts and did nothing. We, as game players, don't do enough to police our game. I knew it was wrong, but I also knew it as a norm. Please don't kid yourselves, there is more multiple account players out there. Personally, I only have one account. What Andy and I did was wrong. But in Andy's defense, he admitted to his wrong doing and cancelled one of his two accounts. I'm not an evil lawyer in real life. I'm just a guy playing an addictive game. The SC adminstrators have to handle this situation. However, we should adress something else too. Another one of my friends has been threaten by multiple account Andy. This player was backed into a corner by a superior force. Andy, you should stop being a bully to that person. It should be a level playing field. Everyone should have an equal chance of succeeding. That's why we should change our status quo with multiples. In the future, I'll treat a multiple differently. Andy apologized to us. I believe Andy should have another chance. A "New" Attila 101. Leaders of Fearless Blue beware because what you don't relize is he can come back as a single account player and become a powerful warlord empire in a short time. Andy has built a large network of friends and allies. In additions, he has loyal followers that will follow him into hellish wars and come out victoriouly. Andy, my friend and mentor, I wish you luck on this game ruling. All guns blazing....
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 07:44 am |
Andy has been a friend for a while and he has helped me many of times. He has lead me through wars that would have been deadly but came victorious, he has been a leader and a friend. This is my opinion of andy, I wish you luck whatever the game gods may do.
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 08:12 am |
Dont delete your countries. You ditched your other account, see what happens.
The players will come after you, or they wont. In my experience, they wont.
The GM will come after you for "multiplaying" or they wont. In my experience they wont.
Make a stand. Its fun.
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 08:24 am |
I choose now to fight for myself!50,50 makes me think a change in worlds is needed.I resp everyone,and there games.fb is a war world,and yes,multies are frowned upon,lesson really learnd!you can all kill my countries if ya want,but i bear NO anger twards anyone on the multi aspect! Now as for people that back stab,lie and send partial messages,,,well they are mine .respectfully,,andy the one and only accout player!
| Friday, June 27, 2008 - 10:17 pm |
Adam, your posts normally bring a dose of class, intelligence, and insightfulness to the game. No one is perfect though, and knowing a few things about these events, I feel compelled to take your public statements to task in this same public forum.
(full disclosures: Just as Adam's vocal supporters are members of his current fed, I am a recently-joined member of Andy's fed. I didn't make an issue of multicity when Andy fought against me, and I haven't made an issue of it as his ally. I'm not really Henry David Thoreau.)
My inference is that Andy made his disclosure under prompting from you.
Why? If you did it as a disinterested party, for the good of the game, I'd say kudos to you. Since you're not a disinterested party, it's more complicated.
If you did it because you felt his multi-playing gave him an unfair advantage in a pre-existing conflict, fair and fine. What advantage did he have? The main damage you cite is that Andy effectively listened in on your intra-fed conversations. You should have figured that since Andy had been head of GB, of course any number of its members might forward your messaging to him. I say there's no damage to you that wouldn't have occurred anyway.
I disagree with your decision to post your war and peace conversations with Andy, even though on a separate thread. What does your conflict with him have to do with him being a multi? Nothing, as far as I can see. The cynic in me says it's a PR ploy. You're a schoolteacher...how is that relevant? Oh yeah, Andy can't spell. He's impulsive and enjoys fighting...how is that relevant? Oh yeah, bad real-world traits...though he's exhibiting them on FB. You're just trying to paint a picture, and even though I'm sure you tried to make the brush strokes realistic, it's still you selecting the frame, canvas, and colors.
IMO the most realistic aspect of this game, and the one I dislike the most, is the tendency for people to gang up and use convenient moral arguments to justify their aggressions. Not that this was your intent, Adam, but this is how it happens. I often have more respect for the pirate's argument than for the "good of civilization" argument. The pirate justifies petty theft by saying he wants to and can, and implicitly admits that it's wrong. I'd rather live in a world where pirates run amok than in a "peaceful" one in which the gang in charge tells me where I may expand, with whom I may associate, and on and on, and then demands I acknowledge that it's all for my own good.
Bottom line, to all players: multiplaying can give unfair advantage, dozens of us ignored Andy's multiplying because we didn't think he was taking advantage, Adam was within his rights for taking issue with it, but we should beware the motives of those who would use this incident for their personal gain. --Thoreau
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:40 am |
What a load of crap. Andy made this discloser months ago but it gardnered no response! A lot of other things were going on back then. And frankly to tell you all the truth the "people" that support andy seem strange to me. So many supporting him? ROFLMAO Well just gives us more to watch again is all. Like I posted before what better use of a multi than to drive wedges between real players to pretend support where little or none actually exist.
Oh in case those real players are wondering suddenly we have a lot of posts from people that I cant find another post from on any forum, except in these andy posts. Has to be something strange in that fact alone!
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 12:46 am |
Oh and David you may take exception with people stopping multis but the fact is rarely have I seen people act so for personal gain, the fact is it normally costs more to take them out than it was worth. As for war between andy and adam let em have at it along with anyone else that wants to join in. Afterall the point to a fed is mutual defense isnt it? Or mutual agression as the other side always sees it.
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 02:29 am |
This is a game to be played and it looks like its about to get interseting! I for one will be building more weapons corps....looks likes theres a dollar or two to be made soon on the weapons market ;-)
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 04:36 am |
From this sweeping statement, now I feel like I'm a multi of Andy.
Oh well... when you have friends that sympathise with you and inform of the others that they knew of this problem, it's convenient to dismiss it as another facade of pretention. It is interesting to see so many people knew about this but choose to ignore - and much more interesting to assume each and everyone of them as another face of 'andy'.
Note that I used the word sympathise, not support: I don't support Andy's multi, but I sympathise with his disclosure. And due to my weak grasp of English, I will forgive anyone that might twist my words to suit what they want to believe in.
I think I can't fight words with people who are much more intelligent then I am, therefore I shall justify my 'sympathy' for andy by saying that:
1) I had a guess that andy used a multi
2) I saw no major problem on my part, or the fed's part
3) I forgive him for what he's done
4) I will defend my fed members from his aggression shall he choose to retaliate
5) I care not what the GM will do to him because it's their job to manage the game, not us
6) I trust and respect the opinions of vets who are fair in judging this issue, not those who are taking advantages from it
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 05:00 am |
Formal appologie lol
quit and start over.
anything else is bullshit
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 05:07 am |
Who cares anymore...LH has multied for years....Jeeze go fight a war or something.....
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 02:45 pm |
Totally ignored is the fact that this info isnt new! It is months old. Not game months but real months, Sam will have to correct me if I am wrong but I do remember this issue back in either Dec or Jan! This revelation came about from a discussion Andycl and I had in the chat room a few days ago. Amazing how he suddently decided again to reveal this information. If he was truly intent on ending his status as a multi he would have MONTHS ago allowed the other account to end as he was informed he could do. Is this issue now to become the issue that drives people into war? War supporting him and war to get him to stop! Hmmm interesting how what I have said seems to come together if one stops and uses their brain rather than reacting to the noise level of his various forms. As for who these forms are I will leave that to the non posting readers to determine for themselves.
And as I have said interesting stuff. It shall continued to be monitored.
| Saturday, June 28, 2008 - 03:27 pm |
You[dave] and adam seem to be the only ones with a vested interest in caousing more rumers and accusations,Doesnt have to do with adam being your new boy does it? I have expressed no interest in fighting any of the green barets ,hell half of them are friends.Your honorable Adam has started a vote in the fed effectivly driving a wedge between some of them,hmmm?? I have NO other accounts and no other personas,so give it a f,n rest.Im tired of this never ending gossip and will not participate in it any longer,waste of time.Think what you will,you will anyhow....to those of you who posted with common sence thanks for your time! Amdy
| Thursday, July 3, 2008 - 05:30 pm |
The coward multi, Attila, needs the 24 countries in his Fed to attack my peaceful country. It is s shame that W3 lets such people play this game. Look in the Peace or Pretext thread to see the reasons for this war.
| Thursday, July 3, 2008 - 10:37 pm |
Oh Adam,,slinging mud now,,how true to form. andy
| Sunday, July 6, 2008 - 02:50 pm |
As I have been mulling over the dangers/advantages of being a multi - Tom in a forum post had trouble seeing the advantages of being a multi, it seems to me that they do not have the same incentives to look to the long term viability of their empires as a long term single account player.