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why was there a nuke ban?

A player named Amalie initiated it because of Lee's war on Mike C.

Which, for roleplay reasons, sure. But I for one don't think that war should be discouraged. Especially as the only person who should really matter, Mike C, hasn't talked about it at all. Mike C also won, taking over at least two of Lee's countries.

Lee tried an offensive war and it failed. More players should try what he did, war is what makes the game fun. The shame isn't that the war happened, the shame is that Lee couldn't/forgot to log in on time to actually fight. Double kudos to Mike C for being chill about it, because some people would've been very not chill with it.

I'm not sure how many people Lee's nuked, but millions of heretics were cleansed with holy nuclear Armageddon during the Crusades. It keeps the game fresh.

huh, well maybe I can get my shh together and add some fun here. its been 10yrs since i played but its coming back to me

my name previously was Aaron Doolavay

Nice to meet you Aaron.

There are currently, and unfortunately, no other Federations on WG except the White Giant Alliance focus on war whatsoever. Maybe you can help change that whenever you go to WL3

i think i started playing in approx 2002 or so and played for most of 10years. got busy, had kids, got poor. life is better and easier now.

nice to meet you too, i remember some names here, some seem "new"

i am at wl3

Nice to see white giant back to life again

im usually pretty quiet. unless i have a good supply of beer. thursday and fridays ill talk more.

We in the Union of Allied States try an focus on a wide range of issues. War is fun in the game, keeps it interesting. Alot of players don't like war it seems tho. I guess they don't want their countries taken from them lol. We should try an think of some other things to engage with each other in. I like how the WG news stuff is starting to pop up. That's one way of spicing things up a bit lol.

In regards to the SC resolution regarding untied aid to The Aristocracy of Naseer, we feel that is our duty to vote against the 2 Trillion requested. While the SC has plenty of funds available, an inspection of non-classified conditions in The Aristocracy of Naseer do not paint a promising picture that the funds will actually assist the people of the nation. In its 257 year history, orionblack302 appears to have put the needs of his citizens far behind the needs of his arms production, to the point citizens are very actively migrating out of the country and its business welfare index concludes poor working conditions have endured for some time. Without having waged war directly, orionblack appears to be providing arms for unknown entities at the cost of his own citizens. For these reasons we cannot in good conscious support international funding for Naseer.

I don't like war, but I really enjoy the ceo game. It's fun for me to dominate the production and supply of certain resources and trade goods (coal, gas, oil, plutonium, bread, furniture, aircraft carriers, cars, building materials, vacation, etc). If I wanted to, I could throw the market for something into chaos, like that time I dumped 50k plutonium onto the market and caused over 50% of plutonium corps to close within a day.

i only like winning wars.

i dont mind war. it will take some time to get into a position where i can successfully war but it will come

New references: 12

Incorrect Information
Utopia is not a judge, it’s me sirs
And where are you getting all this misinformation from?
Its giving weird


All members agreed to keep personal feelings and tensions outside of everything relating to the court and duties
This “brawl� never happened, and both members Cooperated in structuring the court’s system

In response to the "Independent Source" on the topic of the 2T untied aid to The Aristocracy. I can firmly attest that the country named above is not in the arms business whatsoever. I brought it to the SC for untied aid for this nation, as it has been on a rocky economic road for the past few years. I'm not sure where this misinformation comes from at this time. I fully endorse the Aristocracy as they are a full and respected member of "The Union of Allied States" alliance. In this alliance, which The URA is chairman of, does not allow, although each member state is fully independent, the sale of weapons to states weather they be offensive or a defensive nature. The funds requested would definitely do some good for the country in question as anything to get them out of debt an in a positive standing financially which is all any state would aspire to have. As the alliance chair, I will reach out to said state for further clarity of the matter of arms sales.

An as per, news reference 12, there absolutely NO BRAWL in this courts body. I believe the information written in said article is highly misleading with false information on who the actual sitting judges are. The biggest misinformation is the so-called "Brawl" within the court. THERE WAS NO BRAWL between members of the court. The 2 nations listed as combatants in the so called brawl have no correlation to the duties expected by judges representing the court. At this time I would like to request an interview with the news agency AND reporter who wrote the article, as I'd like to clear up a few misguided issues reported. This includes actual sitting judges of the court.

While I appreciate your shout out and stance on the matter of 'The Aristocracy of Naseer' and SC funding, your response only makes me question your reasoning behind the funding request even more. To give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that my assessment could be wrong, I dug a little deeper into the Aristocracy to see what I could find out. I'll let others come to their own conclusions as to whether this is a country that should receive SC funding.

@Kljones702 stance is that The Aristocracy of Naseer is a fully respected member of the community. The community outlined is the 'Union of Allied States' federation, which Kljones702 is the chairman of. So already personal bias is being exposed as the aid would not be released to assist a newer player or one recovering from a defensive war as is standard practice, but would be to the benefit of someone who is directly tied to Kljones702 through federation alliance, making his motivation for the resolution biased at the very least. Further, Kljones mentions weapons sales to be not allowed by the federation, but still supporting funding for a nation within his alliance that has a substantial portion of their business infrastructure dedicated to weapons production (as will be outlined in further detail below with my list of facts about the nation). I agree that countries trying to get out of debt and have a positive financial standing is absolutely a good thing that any state should aspire to have. I feel however, that the case that Kljones702 is making for The Aristocracy falls short and exposes a large degree of personal bias in attempting to use the international community to benefit his own federation personally without consideration of the facts.

Kljones702 has made the appeal that the previous post outlining my stance on the aid package was full of misinformation, but the following information is publicly available for any and all leaders on White Giant to verify in why I believe that revisiting a proposed aid package for Naseer should be avoided. Individually these facts may not lead to the idea that the country should be disqualified from aid, but I assure you that with the complete list of FACTS, not opinions, the logical conclusion regarding this country is clear.

Facts uncovered in The Aristocracy of Naseer investigation:

* The Aristocracy of Naseer was founded Oct 4565 (at time of this report, current date is Dec 4823) meaning the country has existed for 258 years on White Giant.

* The Aristocracy of Naseer has engaged in zero wars during its tenure, against other nations or C3s.

* At time of report, The Aristocracy of Naseer had a population of 21,131,980, with a Migration of -21,308.

* At time of report, The Aristocracy of Naseer fielded 57 corporations, of which 50 were dedicated to military production.

* The most recent non-military corporation opened by the Aristocracy of Naseer was Nassau Telephone, opened in November of 4732 (91 years ago). It is of note that 4 non-military corporations are currently in queue for production.

* The Aristocracy of Naseer is in a Common Market that features Kljones702 as a member. Numerous military corporations in The Aristocracy are confirmed to have active contracts for production sales.

* The Welfare index of The Aristocracy of Naseer was a steady ~ 90 without any sign of changing until a sudden spike higher in Dec 4822, around the same time that the initial Resolution was passed by Kljones seeking aid.

* In its long history, the Czar of The Aristocracy of Naseer, orionblack302, has only ever posted on the Simcountry forums twice. Both are within the last 72 hours, and speaking only to support Kjones and bash another player that had an issue with Kjones.

* At the time of this report, The Aristocracy of Naseer possessed 3.63T debt in loans, with 5.38T in army assets and 9.45T in corporation value, with a business index of 53.65 with many corporations critically underutilized.

The following facts could be considered coincidence or they could be considered incrimination against Kljones702 for potential violations, so while I will refrain from passing judgment because coincidences aren't enough to convict someone of wrongdoing, I believe that the coincidences are strong enough to present for other leaders to come to their own conclusions.

* The corporation situation in United Republic of America (Kljones702) is extremely similar to that in The Aristocracy of Naseer. Not in products made, but in overall situations. Both feature a tax/state profit structure of 75%/50%. Both have roughly half of their state corporations operating at 5% production/hiring, with needs of total corporations open far exceeding the capability of their population's available workforce, without any obvious attempts at addressing the situation.

* Further investigation into the WG Free Trade Union common market, which features both Kljones702 and orionblack302, features 5 enterprises that have interesting facts associated with them. Indigo Trading is 39 years old with 41 corporations. Sand Horizons is 31 years old with 21 corporations. SSC Holdings is 281 years old with 74 corporations. Shadow Inc is 324 years old with 73 corporations. Cooperative Bank is 380 years old with 36 corporations. All five enterprises are Game Level 1. All five enterprises have active supply contracts on the common market. None of the five CEOs have ever posted anything on the Simcountry forums. Two of the enterprises, Shadow Inc and SSC Holdings, feature numerous corporations with the title "SSC (product)". These enterprises are registered to difference CEOs.

I have no personal vendetta against Kljones702 or orionblack302, and don't have any vested interest in the outcome of this investigation. I have no history with either player and the only reason I even looked into any of this is because I happened to spot the vote on White Giant and wanted to cast my vote in an informed manner. The most recent message from Kljones prompted the deeper investigation, and I feel it may have gone deeper than he may have hoped for. Again, I don't have enough information to prosecute, but the information provided here should be more than enough to not only reject a future proposal for funding for The Aristocracy of Naseer, but it very well may be enough to open an investigation into United Republic of America and its leader Kljones702.

This is preposterous. You state you have no problems towards the URA or the ARISTOCRACY. Yet, when I read thru your highly one sided summary of said nations, one can't help but think as I read that there's more to you feelings towards the URA than you're willing to admit. An furthermore, the recommendation of an investigation in to the URA is absolutely laughable. Since when does an investigation into a sitting member of the SC be brought up for an inquiry? An I've seen plenty of times, members of the same alliance get aid from the SC by sitting members of both their fed and the SC. You say one thing, yet your actions and words most definitely say another. Since when does a sitting member of the SC have their own state business dug in to with no proper reason behind the shameful attempt at tying together what sounds like to me as a conspiracy attempt by this unknown source who refuses to even give his/her real name. I feel there's more to the emotional reason you have for even conduction a review of the URA and it corporate holdings as we are not the one's asking for aid. Again, without bringing any names in to this must dishonorable review of state holdings and business standing within the URA. Ive seen plenty of members from the same alliance get aid from members of the SC. This alone is a laughable idea and misleading AGAIN. We in the URA refuse to that the word of a anonymous coward in the shadows taking shots at a respected member of this WG world. An to actually try an tie in some sort of deep state conspiracy. We find what this unknown source is trying to do, dangerous at the very least.

I fear that your presumption of emotion on my part is misplaced, as should be able to be easily read from my initial report. It went out of the way to present facts. The facts may seem one-sided to you, but that is the very nature of presenting a report in response to a call for action. In this regard, the call for action being your resolution for free money for the Aristocracy. If you would like to provide pertinent information to the other side of the situation, that would absolutely be welcome. The only reason I actually dug any deeper into this versus just casting my vote on the resolution and declaring why I made my vote on the forums (trying to be a part of the resurging RP element on WG that I've noticed and enjoy lately) is because of your response calling it misinformation. While my presentation attempted to be void of emotion and merely present information, and I'll submit to any way the GMs can verify that I have never interacted with you in any way before now, your further response was nothing but emotion that does everything it can to deflect everything presented without actually addressing it.

I would expect you to defend yourself and call everything I presented a lie, that is nature. Your defense doesn't address any of the presented facts or attempt to dispute any of the facts, however. Trying to make a personal attack against me doesn't improve your case, and you can cry conspiracy theory all you want but every piece of information presented is completely free of bias and I openly encourage others to reach their own conclusions of the findings. All of the information is publicly available.

Personal tip for you. When getting defensive, going overboard with how 'laughable' or 'preposterous' facts are when you do nothing to dispute the connection between any of them doesn't build your case. I could proclaim that I feel you're a cheater with multiple accounts feeding your primary account, which I feel is the truth, but I don't say that because despite all of these coincidences between all of these accounts that are linked to you in some way I don't have the definitive proof of IP logs (or VPN checkers if the GMs use them) So all I can do is present the suspect information and let others make their own conclusions. All of this, of course, started with just trying to be a part of the RP community and enjoying the interactive news section that others are trying to establish on the forums. Only amplified and further expanded on because of your version of defending yourself from the facts being personal attacks.

Stop gunning from the shadows an let your identity be known. Its easy to talk from the shadows when you have nothing others can use to make a proper judgment towards the issues you claim. An anyone with a brain, when reading this ridiculous breakdown of more misinformation and slander can purely see you had and have a negative outlook on our relationship or lack there of. Again, this completely laughable attempt to smear me is by far the most weird antic pulled off by a coward to date.

An I already know who you are, but for the sake of matters, Ill let you continue to look like an idiot on here.

Ok matthew. You make a person not want to play this game. You're not slick nor entertaining in the least. You blew your cover because you have a hard-on for me an can't stand that you can't beat me. I fully recognize your writing style and the way you talk on here. You're a sad individual, pathetic even. Ill let you write ANYTHING you wish about me, just remember, you're a bully of a computer game lol. Get a life.