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Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 12:38 pm  In re Jurisdiction of New Little Upsilon Order; Prime Minister Keith Allaire, Petitioner. Case No. 23860062 31 March 2386. Per Curiam. On 24 January 2385, the Prime Minister Keith Allaire did receive a hand-scribbled writ of summons from a little known entity purporting to call itself the Little Upsilon International Court. Writ of summons demanded his appearance at the Little Upsilon International Court to answer charges brought against him for, as best this Court can discern from the record, piracy. Alarmed by visions of foreign World Police somehow invading Evil Woody Thoughts to haul him off never to be seen again, the Prime Minister immediately filed a motion with the Evil Woody Thoughts Supreme Court seeking an emergency injunction barring his extradition to the Little Upsilon International Court, effectively quashing its summons. The Prime Minister's pleading raised three prima facie defenses to the writ of summons: 1) that as head of state he enjoyed sovereign immunity against any summons issued by a foreign court, 2) the Little Upsilon International Court lacks personal jurisdiction over him because it is a judicial organ of an entity of which Evil Woody Thoughts is not a part, and 3) the charges against him are not justiciable because they were brought to resolve a political question. As the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts has original jurisdiction over judicial disputes between Woodian ministers of state and foreign powers, pursuant to Article III of the Woodian Constitution, we notified the Little Upsilon International Court of Petitioner's filings and issued instructions to the Prosecutor of the Little Upsilon International Court for a Response. Specifically, this instruction requested that the Little Upsilon International Court explain upon what basis it could claim personal jurisdiction against the Prime Minister, given that he contested such court's jurisdiction directly. It was approximately at this point that several of the Justices of this Court had to leave deliberations to find their glasses, that they may read the various illegible scrawls that were sent in response. After they returned, scratching their heads, this Court did endeavor to decipher the ramblings of the NLUO Prosecutor. The journey begins... We first begin by transcribing the documentation provided by the NLUO, in a semi-legible format, or so we hope. We did seek to avoid using cauliflower-colored crayon. Dear President Keith A. of Evil Woody Thoughts 0 CEO tax. I am the Secretary of Justce in the NLUO, and the Prosecutor of the LU International Court on March 7th 2009 at the LU Interational Court Chatroom for trial.www.newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com Please don't take this personal.. I am just doing my job. I have been intructed to inform you that you have been charged by the Justices of the Peace with Warmongering, and Piracy by war for profit, and not for survival. This is a violation of LU Policy, and is punishable by a LEVEL 7 FELONY, which states the following IF THE PRESIDENT ON TRIAL IS FOUND GUILTY OF THE CRIME THAT HE OR SHE IS CHARGED, THE NATION WILL BE PRESIDENTIAL BOYCOTTED FOR 30 YEARS EVERY 2 YEARS, AND THERE WILL BE SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS AGAINST THE NATION IN QUESTION FOR NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND NO NUCLEAR FACILITIES IN THEIR COUNTRY. The Justices are Justices Orbiter, Jack Frost, Zentrino, and Chief Justice Erivia. I will be procecuting you, and we have 2 witnesses against you. You can use General G of USSR for a Public Defender or represent yourself.. Please show up for your court date: March7th 2009 LU International Court Chatroom:www.newlittleupsilonorder.webs.com This Court, after receiving this exhibit from Petitioner, along with motion for injunction barring extradition, did send the following reply to the NLUO Prosecutor. Upon receipt of writ of summons, Prime Minister Keith Allaire has filed a motion to dismiss with the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts, alleging a lack of jurisdiction on the part of the LU International Court. Prime Minister Allaire has entered a complaint that claims the defense of sovereign immunity as head of state. In addition, the Prime Minister pleads that the charges brought against him are not justiciable because they represent a political question. Therefore he has petitioned the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts to quash the summons. The Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts will rule on this question no later than 4 March 2009. The New Little Upsilon Order is invited to submit a legal brief or pleading answering the complaint and explaining what personal jurisdiction, and on what grounds, it claims over the Prime Minister. Failure to do so may result in a default judgment against the NLUO. The NLUO has 48 hours to respond. We most decidedly wish we had not. Approximately at this point it became clear to us that the opposing Prosecutor does not know how to read a court's instruction. I will get this info to the Justices of the Peace, and see what they rule on this matter. Thank you for your reply upon the summons summitted to you. I will see if they are interested in Quashing the Summons and charges. I will get back to you before the court date. It therefore became necessary for the Court to clarify such instruction. We re-sent our earlier message, which we will spare our reporters from printing here, along with an explanatory headnote. This proved to be a mistake. Not even after decades of observing pro se litigants before this Court have the Justices observed such heinous bludgeoning of the English language. We indeed feel great sympathy for the court reporter who must transcribe the gobbledygook below. We will forego inserting the usual [sic] tags simply because doing so would add five acres' worth of paper-milled forest to this Court's opinion. Secretary of Justice Office: @ Keith We will drop all of the charges if you agree to stop attacking nations for profit because of the GM's clamp down on funds. We have a peace treaty we have drawn out, and you will only have to abide by it until it runs it's course. If you are not agreeable to these terms, then We will go get the jurisdiction we need to procecute.. Please take the terms to show that you are not a warmongering country.. You were just doing what was best for your people of your empire. That will help us both out, so we don't have to even go through this trial. We hope you consider the offer. At this point the Court gave up attempting to decipher the International Court Prosecutor's vain attempts at communication, and the Justices of the Court instead retreated to the nearest Law Library, that they might endeavor to do the Prosecutor's job in researching international law for him. Whilst such research was taking place, one of the Justices, sipping coffee at two in the morning in an attempt to stay awake, ran across a news update concerning a "Finding of Fact" of the NLUO Chair, concerning the Little Upsilon International Court charges against Petitioner. While technically such "Finding of Fact" answers questions of law, and not of fact, this Court notes with appreciation that such findings were at least written somewhat legibly in blue ink, semi-adhering to some modicum of proper format, in such a manner that a reasonable Justice might actually comprehend. @ Keith @ Hezzy, The NLUO Chairmans Finding of FACT: Keith is correct in the FACT that NLUO truely doesn't hold Jurisdiction over any Sovereign Nation.That is NOT a part of the NLUO. The LU Community In FACT has not Accepted the NLUO as an International Law provider,therefore NLUO cannot Correctly Claim any International Laws were in deed Violated. Closed Elections are not Valid, nor a Part of any Democratic Process. Closed Elections in FACT violate the Principles of Democracy. All Elections for every Decision,Policy,Rule and/or Law thats intended for the Bettering of the LU community should be in FACT open for General Voting by the LU community as a whole. Fact until the LU Community Has accepted an International Law Provider and Justice Administration, Acts of WAR and unseeming behaviour WILL continue to exsit. Acts of WAR for PROFIT will continue to Esculate. Not only would an International LAW Provider and Justice Administration be appropriate, But there would be the need for an International Law Enforcement Administration (WORLD POLICE FORCE). Until these issues Can be resolved there truely Can be no Trails of Offenders or Bringing any Offenders to any type of Justice under any International LAW. Sincerely, King Grayson301 At long last someone attempted to perform Prosecutor Hezekiah's duties on his behalf. This Court notes Grayson's effort with appreciation, and can now attempt the Herculean task of putting the Humpty Dumpty of NLUO Legal Logic back together again. At this point, the Court must resolve the massive quantities of Gobbledygook produced by the NLUO Prosecutor With Crayon's scrawlings. The Court takes note of several concerns. Concern, the first. The writ of summons states, "You can use General G of USSR for a Public Defender or represent yourself." We distinctly note the lack of provision for Petitioner (in the eyes of LU International Court, Respondent) utilizing legal counsel of his choice. General G is a known client state of United Israelite Empire. We therefore question whether General G can fulfill his duty to represent client with his best effort. The choice between utilizing incompetent or worse counsel, or appearing pro se, absent the right to hire independent counsel, is a dichotomy which this Court would rule a violation of due process were it to occur within the borders of Evil Woody Thoughts. We therefore question how the Prime Minister could receive a fair trial from the Little Upsilon International Court. Concern, the second. The New Little Upsilon Order proceeds under the authority of a constitution that is not ratified and therefore inoperative. Two ratification votes have been held, and both failed. The Chairman of the NLUO acknowledged as such, and stated in his findings of law that the process of holding secret votes by chatroom, with no record or minutes thereof, is legally defective, inadmissible, and void. Concern, the third. Article V of the Constitution of Evil Woody Thoughts provides that "this Constitution shall be the Supreme Law of the Land within the borders of Evil Woody Thoughts, and all foreign territories and annexations thereof." Evil Woody Thoughts is not a signatory to the New Little Upsilon Order and therefore is not bound by NLUO statute, ruling, or any other regulation or rule emanating from the NLUO. The concept of sovereign immunity is one well established in international law and one well recognized on Little Upsilon. Those nations that attempted to infringe upon another nation's immunities have traditionally required very large armies to defend such claims. Indeed, the NLUO Chair concluded in his Findings of Law that the NLUO cannot compel a sovereign nation to follow its directives. Concern, the forth. After much searching and scratching of heads, this Court is unable to determine any principle of comity under which the NLUO's laws might become enforceable. The policies of NLUO are generally recognized as repugnant by all but a tiny fraction of the Little Upsilon community. Indeed, this Court notes with interest (and laughter) that the International Court Prosecutor was laughed out of the Security Council chamber when distributing hand sketches of a proposed resolution on the matter smeared in crayon. Concern, the fifth. This Court cannot begin to comprehend how the NLUO intends to enforce its rulings. Indeed, Justice Ehrell spilled his drink all over his black robes laughing as this question was asked. Concern, the sixth. This Court discerns a blatantly obvious attempt on the part of the NLUO to dictate foreign policy to the sovereign nations of Little Upsilon. The charges that the NLUO attempts to bring and that this Court is prepared to dismiss with prejudice are an obvious political question not justiciable by a court of law. The NLUO cannot cite to statute as a basis for its prosecution, because there is no known statute granting it this authority. The vague "LU Policy" that it attempts to cite is indeed classified to everyone outside the NLUO...which includes approximately 99% of the Little Upsilon population. In consideration of the aforementioned concerns, along with numerous defects in the New Little Upsilon Order's logic, the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts holds that no foreign power may compel the Prime Minister to face charges before its courts, regardless of what that foreign power calls itself or what delusions of grandeur possess it. The Prime Minister shall not be compelled before the LU International Court and shall furthermore enjoy immunity from its prosecution (persecution)? The empire of Evil Woody Thoughts is in no way bound to any policy, court case brought by, or action of, the New Little Upsilon Order, nor is it obligated in any way to recognize such entity as a "World Government." Injunction against extradition of Petitioner to foreign court granted. This Court furthermore demands a return of or refund for all crayons used in the composition of this opinion. It is so ordered.
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| Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 03:45 pm You have way too much time on your hands.....
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| Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 04:20 pm he is a law student... this is practice for him
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| Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 06:10 pm LMAO Now you need to go back to the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts looking to recoup the expenditures defending yourself in court along with the mental and physical distress the entire process has placed on you. Then if you win the case in the Supreme Court of Evil Woody Thoughts and this frindge group "nluo" won't compensate you, TAKE IT FROM THEM!
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| Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 07:49 pm Hehe, I like the style.
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| Wednesday, March 4, 2009 - 08:19 pm Not sure that NLUO could afford crayons for you Keith.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:08 am MR.Prime Minister Of Evil Woody Thoughts, On behalf of the NLUO and Acting as Chairman of said Organization I,King Grayson of ToonsVille do hereby declare and award you all my BLUE crayons as compensation for your Toubles, the Prosecutor of the NLUO court is responsible for the RED ones. Please forgive the attempted intrusion upon your Soverigenty Sincerely, Grayson301
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:11 am I understand the concerns.. I did not bring Charges against you Keith... The Justices did.. If you do not want to go on trial for your crimes, then don't.. We are not being a police force.. We hold nations accountable. If the nation is question doesn't want to participate, then he risks isolation from the community, but if the community does not care, then I don't care. We just are an organization.. If you want to use youe own personal justifications, then that is your business. I think that it would be a good jesture on your part Keith to go through the trial. I think you will get a lot of respect for doing it, but if you don't, then don't.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:15 am He risks isolation from his friends and fedmates? I doubt it. If a nation does not want to participate, you will drop the charges? Well, whats the point? Its like saying,"Yes officer - I went over that red light whilst drunk, but screw you!". Keith (a law student) Vs. Hezzy (A Trainee PE teacher) Well, I know who my money is on!
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:16 am Mr. Chairman.. I beg to differ. We were not intruding on his sovernty. We were attempting to hold him accountable for his war crimes. Again the Justices wanted this.. I agree with them, but this is not my baby. As for General G. I will let him defend himself. I should have never tried to buy his country, and he would not be seen as a multi, and if you read this General G, I am sorry. I do appreciate you being a good sport, and staying with the NLUO...
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:17 am What are you Stuart? Do you even have a job? while you are talking crap about someone else.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:18 am Is no one talking to you stuart? Is that why you have to put your 2 cents on everyone's threads. You are annoying to people. It was nice to not see your posts for a while.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:19 am Me, have a job? Yes - I work for myself as an Investigative accountant. And your a 28 year old dancing on you-tube, trainee PE teacher. Well done Hezzy!!!!! Anyway, as for me not being around for a bit - i'm always here! I just decided to watch for a bit and was going to continue doing so till you came out with all this 'I have the power' crap again. In fact - i'm only posting now because you are.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:27 am you are full of Sh** stuart.. I think you have an envy issue. It seems that when nations from the community want to deal with me, you have a prob.. You must whave a power issue.. You think you have some power over nations because you are a community organizer...
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:30 am Ah, yet another example of you not being able to put up a half decent argument, and yet another example of an insult. There's only one person full of it round here dude, and thats you. Why aren't I being tried for war crimes against your empire? I thought I would be your first target. I will tell you why. You know that I will recognise NO ruling and will destroy NLUO in minutes.....again. Community organiser? No. Friend defender? Yes.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:33 am Stuart. I am never replying to your comments again. I am going to pretend you don't exist, so I can enjoy my gaming experience. So... Go ahead and post what you want because you will not get a rise out of me.. Never again.. You just turn real conversation into spam...
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:37 am You are nothing but a nobody who dreams of power over the masses. A dictator in the making. A asshat who dreams of glory but has only ever lived through losses - both militarily and economically. Your empire is a joke - it is so far in debt, and don't even get me started on your CEO. Anyway, the question is; What gives NLUO the right to charge a player with anything? Nothing - thats what. Try charging me and see what happens asshat. Anyway, if I really wanted power - would I have agreed to CIS merging with another fed? No. I had a lot more power a few months ago than I do now - and i'm a lot happier for it.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 02:57 am PM Keith, If you are going to comply, you know the court date.. I hope you show up, and I hope that we can make a speedy trial.. who knows.. The Justices may, just let you off for showing up, and respecting the LU International Court..
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 03:01 am With 3 of the 4 justices in the same fed as me - I think i'm pretty safe. I will be there - Sunday 7th March at 5PM CST. I cant wait!!!!
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Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 03:03 am
.....then he posts this after I reply.....
I thought you were never going to reply to me again? Yet again - you have been proved as a liar 
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 05:35 am Regardless of what the phony and kiddy courts in Hezzy's mind declare, I shall always support Keith Allaire. He's a good mate and a respectable one at that. I shall give you my all green crayons in a show of support.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 06:00 am I, Justice Zentrino of the Nevrondona Empire, have brought the charges against Mr. Prime Minister Allaire. I do not plan to drop them regardless of his long dissertation above. Zen.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 10:02 am Can someone be tried for crimes against the forum?
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 01:26 pm 3 words: Trial By Combat
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 01:28 pm I was away from alittle bit... I just wanted to say, Nice Political rape, Keith.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 03:02 pm @Martock.. There is nothing phony or kiddy about the LU International Court.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 08:05 pm He is right. The behavior of adults with special needs is very different from the behavior of small children.
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| Thursday, March 5, 2009 - 10:38 pm Keith, your supreme court justices should never have been sworn as members of any court, let alone the highest court of your banana republic. Those sexist pigs never fully answered the changes brought forth by your own congress, specifically concerning "pubic hairs" on coke bottles. Those hearings were a shame and an affront to democracies across LU. _____________________ -Congressional Hearing Quote from Tawana Brawley(Former secretary for Rod Stiffington, the sitting chief justice in evil woody thoughts): "Mr stiffington asked me if he enjoyed the taste of his "taint," just after I finished a refreshing bottle of Coke. I asked him what he was talking about and he replied, look in the mirror honey, see that curly black hair? Thats not lint my dear...." End Quote. ____________________________ Any opinions asserted by any justice of and "evil woody empire country," other then the shape of their secretaries legs, must be suspect.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 01:08 am http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/sovereign_immunity http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Comity Why don't you do some actual research into legal principles before mouthing off. Sovereign immunity is a WELL established concept in international law and states usually only waive it in narrow circumstances, foreign policy decisions not among them. Enforceability of another nation's laws under principles of comity is strictly optional and is usually done when the nations involved actually respect each other and enforcement of those foreign laws would not violate fundamental domestic policies. For example, if a woman escaped from Saudi Arabia, sought and received asylum, and her husband subsequently sued to get her extradited under Saudi Arabian law for punishment, a court in a free, democratic nation would probably not enforce the Saudi law because to do so would violate fundamental notions of equality. It is VERY unlikely that an actual court would rule in favor of Hezy here. Especially considering that the closest real life equivalent to NLUO, the UN, doesn't pull anywhere NEAR the shit that Hezy does. Not to mention Hezy's laughable incompetence as a prosecutor. He'd get pwned if he actually had to argue his case in a real courtroom, with REAL defense lawyers. Either learn WTF you're talking about before opening your mouth or go crawling back under your rock. Oh, and I've never heard of a Justice Stiffington. Stop making shit up about my country that you would not know.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 03:16 am @Hezzy - Is SO!!
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:09 am Keith you cant take a joke. Keith youre too serious. Keith you love your assets too much. Keith Ive decided I dont like you. Keith you are now known as Marsh Clark. Marsha, you are in the unenviable position of being the reason i just left my fed so I dont expose them to upcoming war. Marsha Im no noob or hezzy follower who can be robbed or bullied. The only question is will my inevitable response be local to your holdings or systemic. Marsha you made me angry. I rarely get angry in this game. Marsha its players like you, who whine and cry to much, that make this game annoying. Marsha you better prepare your case better then you did in the OJ trial. Marsha, you like serious? Tu Culo Es Mio!
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:21 am this is barney your talking to Keith.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:24 am Tu Culo Es Mio! Your Ass Is MINE! Just Figured I would translate for y'all With Regards, Dragoon
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:28 am Keith.. We need more intellects in the conversation, Cheers. Are you gonna show up for trual to please the Justices. It would be very big of you.. I agree with your comments above..
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:36 am TuCulo EsMio, if you could please check your in-game messages, I would appreciate it. Thank you. Hezy, no I have no intention of showing up for your so-called "trial."
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:36 am Keith: In the RL, the International Court at the Hague issued an arrest warrant for Pres. Hassan, the sitting head of state in Sudan recently. He is charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. We have precedent. If there is anything else you think I need to know, please feel free to inform me. Until then, I have a nice rock for you to hide under if you like. As I stated above, the trial will continue regardless of your well-worded protests. Zen.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:38 am And as in RL, the LU International Court is powerless to enforce its warrant Also the Hague provides much more due process than Hezy ever will.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:50 am He's Keith again. Crisis averted
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 04:52 am :P
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 05:06 am Due prcoess?!? Well now, we have plenty of RL examples where that has been thrown out when it became inconvenient, don't we?
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 05:45 am Keith please see reason and show up for your trial.. The Justices are very fair and middle ground Judges. Your presence will say a lot for yourselve with out you even having to say anything. As far as due Process. Where was there no Due Process?
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 05:48 am He have enough Evidence to convict you. We have 2 witnesses, and the arcives of the wars in question.. So where was there no Due Process?
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 05:48 am Check out the Updates on the NLUO site.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 07:08 am lmao
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 07:16 am what reason does keith have to show up? none. what would keith gain by showing up? nothing. and you wonder why he isn't going to show up?
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 01:28 pm One reason to show up: Targetting List.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 05:06 pm FarmerBob... his target list would be Zentrino, Elaieva, Orbiter and Myself... we are the justices that are pushing for prosecution of the law to its fullest extent. With Regards, Dragoon
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 06:19 pm He should show up because he has been charged. If he does not show up, it will tell the LU Community that he has no respect for international Law, or his fellow nations...
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 08:05 pm No, it will only show that I have no respect for Hezy's crackpot delusions of grandeur.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 08:54 pm This doe not have anything to do with me.. It is your actions against defenseless nations who you attacked without warning for your war profiteering.. Those are considered war crimes.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 09:23 pm *Hands Hezekiah the rock that Zentrino handed me earlier* You will need to hide under it.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 09:43 pm Hey! I want my rock back.
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| Friday, March 6, 2009 - 11:45 pm Keith, please don't be this way.. Please just comply, so we can get this over.. Trial is tommorrow.. I really don't want the rock, Here Justice Zentrino.. Here is your rock back.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 12:23 am /me grabs the rock and throws it at Dragoon
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 01:50 am /me tackles Stuart and gives him back to the Ram in the play pen :P
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 02:17 am HEY!!! Stop throwing my rock.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 02:29 am jeff decides that he wants a turn with the rock
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 03:20 am "Hezy's crackpot delusions of grandeur" LMFAO
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 04:18 am cf decides that Hezzy should quit trying to act like his court can actually do something lol hezzy just quit dude your court seems like a big joke!!!
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 05:03 am The jurisdiction of this court? I got it hanging right here. woop. there it is.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 06:14 am He wants attention. He probably doesn't get much in RL so he lives in a fanatasy world here. He pretends he rules the world and can 'enforce' his view but really, all he does is make enemies out of players. Still, I get quite the giggle out of reading this crap. At least the boy is articulate and can use his grammar reasonably well, unlike little hitler.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 08:17 am @ Keith Allaire What would happen in a united states federal or local court if you entered in a plea of contempt? I have always wanted to try it. Unfortunately every time I stood before a judge I was tired, hungry, and eager to see sunlight.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 10:03 am Sheep, I'm not really convinced that such is a good comparison. There is no "plea of contempt" that I am aware of; the closest I can think of is failure to appear. In which case you would be thrown in jail for contempt of court. The difference is THAT COURT ACTUALLY HAS JURISDICTION OVER YOU. If you're an American resident on American soil, good luck persuading the nearest US District Court that it does not have jurisdiction over you, lulz. Though you can always challenge the jurisdiction of the court, it probably won't work if you reside in or have a physical presence within the geographical boundaries of that court's jurisdiction. What Hezy/NLUO is doing is more like President Mugabe of Zimbabwe trying to indict President Barack Obama of the US for war crimes in continuing American presence over Iraq. In that case sovereign immunity would apply to the US President, the federal courts would almost certainly dismiss with prejudice because of that and the matter being a political question/not justiciable. Mugabe could try it in his own courts (LOL!) but he would run into the same problem of lack of enforcement that Hezy is about to run into here. I don't "reside in" the NLUO, nor am I signatory with it, so it's kinda difficult for NLUO to enforce its judicial decisions upon me without a very large army backing it up.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 08:38 pm This is no federal court. This is an International Court which crosses all borders.. As far as the NLUO World Government being mines.. Let's take a look, shall we... Chairman of the NLUO World Government: King Grayson301 E-Toonsville Justices of the peace. Justice Zentrino Justice Orbiter Chief Justice Evieava Justice Jack Frost These are the main power positions in the NLUO, but I own it, right? This government belongs to the nations who run it, and the nations of the LU Community..
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 09:46 pm A better comparison is the International Court issuing warrants and indictments for the President of Sudan recently. Zen.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 10:26 pm Not like the UN actually has any ability to enforce such warrant, though. They'd get owned without US support, and the US doesn't wanna touch it after what happened in Mogadishu sixteen or seventeen years ago. Mwahahaha.
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:22 pm So are you saying that you are not going to show up for your trial? If you do not, you make yourself look guilty, and like a rogue regime..
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:27 pm The international court of Hezzy only has jurisdiction in his empire and those allied to him. He speaks for no one save himself. No one needs to submit to their so called 'court'. As a member of the LU community, I would never recognize the kind of control he thinks he has. Even if VS tried to pull that kind of crap it would be the same. This is just plain nonsensical crap though I must admit, it's better than watching reality TV. So which one of the muppets are you sending in your place there Keith? Gonzo? Rizzo the Rat? Sam the Eagle? Kermit? Or will you simply send a card board cut-out of yourself with a mechanical mouth piece that moves up and down?
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:32 pm I place myself on trial for being old, irritable, foul mouthed, and intemperate. Please spank me with a noodle. Wild, in a schoolteacher outfit to administer discipline, please...
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:36 pm What control? I did not even set this up.. Do you read Martock? If you read the posts earlier, you will see who set this up.. I am the Secretary of Justice, which is the LU International Court Prosecuter, and I am at the service of the Elite Party Chairman, and the Justices of the Peace, so You show me the control...
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:45 pm "So which one of the muppets are you sending in your place there Keith? Gonzo? Rizzo the Rat? Sam the Eagle? Kermit? Or will you simply send a card board cut-out of yourself with a mechanical mouth piece that moves up and down?" LOL! I hadn't thought about sending the cardboard cutout!
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| Saturday, March 7, 2009 - 11:53 pm Oh, my cardboard cutout doesn't have the moving mouthpiece. Sorry.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 12:12 am Will people start to file in to the courtroom for the trial please? Or are you not going to show up keith?
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 01:16 am The charges were all dropped because the Justices didn't show up for the trial.. Nor did the Defendant.. There was no way We could prosecute without a trial... So there you have it.. All that work for nothing..
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 01:17 am Well i tried to show up to see what the Cardboard cut out looked like .. but the site wouldn't open for me . Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage this is a first for the site .. but stranger things happen .. must be karma keeping me out .. Hummm, Me wonders who planted the bomb in the court room????? opps, it let me in .... ME must have the Bomb on!!!!
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 04:04 am King no one showing up proves that this "international court" is a complete joke! Keith not showing up doesn't make him look like a "rogue regime" because no one holds any standing for your little court, including your own justices!
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 04:15 am Myself, Elaieva and Orbiter all tried him Guilty and sentenced him to Trial by fire to be carried out by the Prosecutor. we had more important matters and tried keith via MSN. He showed up and walked out of the court room with his head hung low. With Regards, Dragoon
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 04:17 am LOL my cardboard cutout has self-locomotion? I did not know that!
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:03 am Why even be Justices then? makes no sense to me..
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:10 am HA HA HA!!! Nice to see you've got complete control over your little court Hezzy. Better to try a traffic court than an international one. Baby steps H, Baby steps.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:29 am heze "Why even be Justices then? makes no sense to me.. " the entire nluo is a joke, I signed up for the lulz.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:41 am We had more important matters to tend to... Orbiter get on msn! With Regards, Dragoon
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:46 am lulz
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:55 am sorry guys, been packing and moving all day, just stopped in for a break, and a smile... the nluo is always good for that, so i must say thank goodness for secured mode, we'll always have them around...
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 05:56 am again. lulz.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 06:48 pm So you all are Justices just for a joke.. That is not cool. Why would you do something like that? You must all be children, and not adults.. Adults would be straight up and say.. Hey I don't want tot be inthe NLUO.. I wish people would stop saying I own the NLUO because I do not. So I ask Orbiter, Jack Frost, and Eviera Are you LU International Court Justices or not? If you are, then be serious about it.. People are so selfish and self centered.. The NLUO World Government is an attemt to organize the world of LU under an interactive government of laws. It gives us something to do as we build and grow our nations.. It will also help new nations grow faster, and stay on the game longer... Right now the status Quota looks at new players as sheep waiting to be devoured by larger nations and Empires.. Why would a nation want to move forward in an environment like that? The bottom line, more experienced nations are not willing to share their power and knowledge without a cost, and knowledge should be free.. But control is how most nations feel that they have power. This government doesn't force control, but accountability, and interactiveness.. Communication, and free knowledge would grow the world, and make it more fun to play on.. But the arrogance and self centereedness of the establishment, and the GMs cause this game to not be fun, and we are paying to play.. Wow... That's all I have to say..
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 07:45 pm The NLUO is just that. An attempt. An attempt made of complete and utter fail.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 08:39 pm Hezzy, Since I started playing this game I have recieved free knowledge and I have always been willing to pass it on to others at the very small price that they have read the documents and will ask specific questions. Once they have that down pat then all they need to do is be respectful and wait their turn to speak as I am usually helping more then 1 player. Now I understand you maybe frustrated that no one helped you and that you were abandoned when you started playing and I can tell you why that happened. The majority of those of us that have been here have 1 minor thing that we ask of all of those that walked beside us or followed our trail. We ask respect think of it as a relationship between your elders and you. You show respect to your elders because they are more experienced then you and you want them to share their wisdom. We wish for some measure of respect for our knowledge in return, not that hard of a concept to understand as it exists in the real world. With Regards, Dragoon
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 09:36 pm The respect in which the establishment expects is to kneel before them, as they are the Gods of the game.. As for an Elder.. Would an elder play on the emotions of that yongerster just to get a laugh? If that is the elder, I would not follow or ask them for any info.. The problem is that to many nations have to much power concentrated in achieving one thing, self preservation at any cost with no accountability. Bordom runs ramped because, how much can you really accomplish after you have gotten as much profit as you can get? The next thing to do is fight, and take nations, and develop a class system. All that does is make people say that it is not worth it to play this game and pay when you can expect a nation to attack you if the gms clamp down on profit. All I am saying is that concentrating that power in the NLUO World government would produce real politics, passage of laws, sharing each others profit, and knowledge. Basically joining all nations of the NLUO into one voice through the Democratice process.. If all of us banned together, and joined all of our economies, military assets, federations, and common markets, we would not need to fight each other for more profit. We would have the profit, and would expose any wrong doing that the Gms are able to get away with because of our divisions.. But if we were united in a government of nations, and within that government we would have divisions, but would come together when threatened, and hold even the gms accountable for their actions in the shadows. That is the reality of a government of Democratic nations.. Then we would really run LU, and not be so much at the mercy of the GMS..
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 10:50 pm Hezzy, I'd rip your argument to shreds as I have done on many occassions, but..... I really can't be assed. I'm sure you get the idea though.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 11:03 pm Disreguard the Ghost that just posted there.
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| Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 11:13 pm Hezzy, If I read the latter part of your statement correct you pretty much want to make Valde, SNA, and LDI become one giant super fed? Valde would never sacrifice its sovereignty by taking up the NLUO cause as it undermines everything that Laguna has done to stabilize LU. If you would have ever made it into Valde you would realize how it works. We as Valde members are held accountable. But after you have been there so long and gained rank within the numbers there are less and less people that you are required to answer to. For example, within Valde I would have to answer to Dubhthaigh and Laguna, and I would answer to Elaieva, Kevin Henry and Wild as a courtesy. Whereas Stuart would have to answer to Dubhthaigh, Laguna, Kevin, and as a courtesy would probably answer to Elaieva, Wild and Myself. With Regards, Dragoon
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 02:15 pm how many people who have payed to play have screwed themselves and left the game because they just couldn't "get it"? Many more than are actually still playing. I have been around for almost a year and I am still a noob. But I have never had to re-ante up for GC. Why? because I sought out help when I needed it.From whom? "the establishment". At first I read the doc (which confused he hell out of me most of the time and are completely inaccurate) and then as many POSTS here as I had time for. There I found out who were the ones who could help me and those who were (well to quote the vets, ASSHATS). I built a stable country and then asked for admission into the best Fed in the game, Valde! I gained so much knowledge of the game just from reading their posts here, IRC, and the fed website. From this I built a better country and small empire. I have reached lvl6, reached #1 overall(briefly), #6 economically(ATM), and trying for lvl7. I would like to thank ALL members of Valde for their help and support. Special thanks to Lg(bananas held up at customs ,sorry), KevinHenry( sorry I think the Steelers still suck), SirMichael(my economic porno hero),and Stu(my British Sci-Fi BBC counterpart who I think is really John Barrowman at his day job). Semper Fi Valde and long live the establishment!
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 02:52 pm If you read the whole post, you would know that what you both posted about is exactly what I'm talking about. You play the game for yourselves, and not the betterment of LU and new nations that develop.. Self centeredness rules, and the GMs and the establishment will rule forever.. Have fun...
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 03:04 pm It's called paying it forward... "The establishment" helped me and I in turn have helped others who wanted to succeed and not just be a pain in the ass. have you ever heard of a thing called a business model? companies follow other successful businesses. The same goes for here. And those who follow the vets "business model" here SUCCEED! and I am having fun. R U? doesn't look like it.
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 08:05 pm To each his own.. I suppose because, no one wants to acknowledge the truth.
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 08:17 pm Oh, everyone except for you acknowledges the truth, Hezy. The truth that the NLUO is a complete and utter failure.
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 10:29 pm Hezzy- I'm slightly confused. If we wern't playing for ourselves then why would we play? To help out others and be completely bored or frustrated? The reason people play this game is, well, should be because it's something to do and it's fun. You got to get over dreaming about everyone coming together because I'm SURE that the members of the largest feds which have been built with so much effort and time would ever just throw it all away to create YOUR superfed. If there was a superfed, wouldn't that actually isolate smaller feds and players? Aren't you trying to do the opposite? That would have a negative impact because people who want to go on their own would be pressured into joining and it's possible that countries would dec on the empires/countries because they don't join Hezzys "establishment". Yes there is some wars with bad causes but I don't condemn it. But if someone wants to be left alone and doesn't join the superfed, and war is declared, that isn't right.
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 10:46 pm What I don't understand is, why is this always called Hezzy's NLUO, and I don't own it.. People need to stop looking at me as the face of the NLUo..I am not. I am apart of it.. No, If nations don't want to be in it they don't have to.. If they want to be left alone they will be,.
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 10:48 pm @ Keith.. If the NLUO was an utter failure, then we would not have 21 members, and 4 justices.. But think as you will.. Eventually the NLUo will be the government of LU.. Patience my brothers and sisters...
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 11:14 pm "People need to stop looking at me as the face of the NLUo..I am not. I am apart of it" You are the face of it. Your chairperson isn't here saying anything. You act like their spokesman. (I never said "Hezzy's NLUO" I basically said, simply, YOUR DREAM WORLD GOV'T) "Eventually the NLUo will be the government of LU" This is why everyone associates you w/ NLUO, you talk about their policies, ideals, court rulings/indictments, plans, etc. I've seen the LOADS of other threads where you talk about NLUO policy, you alone, the other members say nothing! FYI The word I used, Superfed There, means world gov't
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| Monday, March 9, 2009 - 11:15 pm referring to YOUR world gov't
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Monday, March 9, 2009 - 11:25 pm 21 members, I doubt it. More like four. 4 justices? OK - but then look at the above - they signed up for the lulz and didn't even bother to turn up to NLUO's first test case. Now - is that success or failure?
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| Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 12:06 am Well thats because Orbiter is in the process of moving, Elaieva and Myself were committing war crimes. Zentrino, well we have no clue where he was. Hezzy LU already has a "world government" and that would be Valde Subsidium. With Regards, Dragoon
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| Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 03:16 am i trully have no resposibility to the arguing partys but Dragoon makes a strong point and to claim a "community" you must first have one...now to claim a word government one must be able to enfoce thair rule over the lands and with no disrespect know one has the capability to do this like Vald i simply suggest NLUO rethink thair world status and remain a FED--with no kind regards and confusing hallaballua kain1900
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| Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 02:40 am There would be only one institution in the history of LU that could state they were a "government" force and that would have been the tyrannical "Government Federation" that was headed and piloted by my dear friends Martock and Kevin Henry(:P). These two war criminals should be drawn and quartered! Two things to say... May the government fed rest in peace, and may the steelers never again enjoy the feel of a new championship ring. Valde Shmalde! B
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| Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 03:13 pm Correction TuCulo EsMio, I didn't PILOT the Government Fed but I was a member of it. I don't recall who was the chairman of the fed but I believe for a while it was Pink Floyd. Sorry to burst your little protected bubble there but that fed wasn't tyrannical in any sense of the word. Like all feds, we watched out for our own, and collectively worked against our enemies. Oh, and I don't ever recall being the chairman of that fed though I think we did rotate the chairmanship for a bit there.
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| Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 08:09 pm I recall an evil clown picture as leader after Pink.
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| Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 08:53 pm Presidents to be Eliminated TuCulo EsMio
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| Wednesday, March 11, 2009 - 11:04 pm Oh cool kevin you have one of those too? Mine is longer here I'll show you! Presidents to be Eliminated Dubhthaigh Saber Ameche Xaldin Steelknife TuCulo EsMio Kevin Henry Sam Houston Laguna Fear me I have completed 60% of my list, I am EVIL With Regards, Dragoon
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| Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 01:48 am I don't recall an evil clown picture as leader after Pink...but then again, I have been sniffing the helium from the ballons a bit lately so my memory is quite giddy.
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| Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 01:57 am Wait...it's becoming clearer now...Ahh...yes, I was the fed leader there for a bit and it was I who disbanded the fed on the grounds that it fallen apart...or something like that.
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| Thursday, March 12, 2009 - 03:23 am heze, i don't know, i see your point, you're taking your thing seriously, and you want people around you who take it seriously, i get it, i also get that its insulting that people would play along with you, just for fun. but maybe you can look at it from the other side. most of us who are "vets," have worked really hard to get where we are... and you want to elevate newbs, to an equal status... people who haven't worked as hard, or have nearly as much skill in the game... do we, "vets," want respect, that equals newbs bowing to us? no!! in your case, in fact in most cases, you have a higher since of self worth, than is merited. a little humility, time, and work, and you could reach the "level," where you start getting respect. basically hez, respect is earned in SC, it is not a default setting. thier is indeed, a certain amount of "common courtesy," but that would go both ways... yes you have as much a right to post, as some one does to derail your threads... yes you have the right to call some one a terrorist, and create a web site about it, as much as they have the right to be offended by it, and use in game actions to encourage you to stop... honestly, heze, what you are trying to create, is a method, less skilled, less experienced players, can rule the roost, so to speak, with out going through all the hard knocks the current establishment went through. ie, you are trying to bypass the "pecking order," thats all well and fine, but you can't expect to accomplish that, with out a few cock fights... (what a fun pun) looking back over my time in SC, i've seen many people like you, willing to complain about an establishment, from behind secured mode... insulting, and jestering at stronger players, and then accusing them of misbehavior, when they react to you... that, is childish. so, yes, when i originally posted that i'd like to be a court justice, it was when wendy was being tried... and at the time, i was nuking something in the area of 4 of her countries, it was a joke. but even nuking wendy, and disagreeing strongly with her, we've always been able to be freindly, as i don't actually verbally attack her. i will joust a little, but i don't insult her... so i guess, thats why she picked me... at that point, why not play along? its a game after all. really heze, you should just stop posting on the forums, you'll get along allot better in sc josias
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| Friday, March 13, 2009 - 12:55 am @ Orbiter ,In regards to Wendy. I believe her hormones are more in balance now-a-days Shes behaving quite quietly. I wonder how shes doing .. it's been so long since we have heard from her
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| Friday, March 13, 2009 - 01:45 am lol guys As much as I have fought Wendy, I have to say I actually like her. When players go to war you often see a load of crap in the chatrooms and on here. With me and Wendy - we still spoke and still got on. She's alright really!!!!!
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| Friday, March 13, 2009 - 02:13 am Awww shucks Stu. . .
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| Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:37 am yeah Stu I agree, Wendys ok and now that her Hormones are more balanced i think i like her even more
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| Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 12:44 am LOL Martock, its me Barney. No ever gets my sense of humor anymore. Except perhaps kevin, although I'm not sure I can make him smile any longer. You kevin and John Q were the "morals" of our bunch towards the end, I realize that. And you Kevin, you can never truly eliminate me! Im like mold that has no remediation, drug resistant syphilis, and jock itch all rolled into one! BTW, laguna is responsible for all the above, he swore he would shower and slide a rain coat on but it was dark and I was drunk. He has a small penis though.
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| Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:01 am Answer: Mold with no remediation, drug resistant syphilis and jock itch. Question: What does it take to make an Eagles fan? Jump off the wagon now Barney, you will be a much happier man for it
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| Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 02:23 am Aye Barney, either Keith or Kevin...honestly forgot who illuminated me on your new name. I threatened to throw Fred at you but he's run off with Betty so I can't. You'll have to settle for Mr. Slate instead.
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| Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 07:50 pm Answer: Sir Michael Question: Who is my hero? ******* Answer: Barney Question: Who's the one Eagles fan that will always be able to make me smile?
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Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 07:54 pm
Something like that. I blame Sam.
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