| King Herod VI | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:22 am 
This is a post I set up for a debate with King Hezekiah. Consider this your challenge King Hezekiah. Carthage can moderate for us, or we can have LU ask questions and we answer the questions. Please everybody, post your thoughts on how we should proceed, and then let's have the debate on this post. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:44 am
why can't this be on your internal forum, i guess would be the first question |
| SuperSoldierRCP | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:21 am
This kind of proves my first point.
The NLUO has gained a reputation as being aggressive and trying to dominate the planet of LU, it has also been seen though the actions of the current leaders in the government, how do you plan to regain the faith of the presidents of LU.
How do you plan to lower the cloud of hostilities and work toward a better future? |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:33 am
Why can't it be on this forum? Oh it can!
This is actually the LU Forum and you still flame this guy's thread. He isn't even King.
And I'm getting the emails... wow. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 04:32 pm
shrug,
i asked why this internal discussion, isn't being discussed internally?
i hear that the NLUO has this wonderful internal forum. In fact i've seen posts bragging about how great it is!
why doesn't the NLUO use its own media for its own discussions? |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 04:51 pm
I don't know whether to smack Herod or Choke josias. |
| Lorelei | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 04:54 pm
I'll smack Herod for ya lol :P |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:05 pm
lol |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:14 pm
Ok Herod I will play along with your stupid debate.
SuperSoldierRCP Asked: The NLUO has gained a reputation as being aggressive and trying to dominate the planet of LU, it has also been seen though the actions of the current leaders in the government, how do you plan to regain the faith of the presidents of LU. How do you plan to lower the cloud of hostilities and work toward a better future?
I want to say that the propaganda that has been pushed by Orbiter, Crafty, Mizore, Kiss, Jackseptic, Chiwoo, and others has caused the world to think we are an aggressive organization. These people declared war on the NLUO via the SC Forums, and was met with decs. We have always respected the borders, and Presidents of the world. We were never aggressive to start with. We don't claim to rule Little Upsilon. We do have representation available for all regions of the world. If this is what scares nations is the fact that we have the capacity to represent the interests of the world, well I would think that would be a good thing. Not the facts the nations are afraid, but that we have the capacity to represent the interests of the world. That is not to say that if there are nations who do not want to deal with the NLUO in any capacity, they have that right. We will not, as a government try to wipe out nations who do not want to participate. But we will not have nations who do not want to participate trying to dictate what should or should not be done in our government in regards to our policies for LU. I hope that answers you question. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:19 pm
Why ask Why?
Find something to do other than flame Josias. Perhaps I should start sending emails too. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:24 pm
and no that still doesn't answer the question.
you are justifying your right to press buttons. but not explaining why your internal discussions, can't be discussed internally, in your wonderful NLUO website? |
| Alyan Locien | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:26 pm
because no one uses there site, they hardly use it. :-/ |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:28 pm
Alyan this is a lie. People have not yet learn how to use the site. People have not taken heed to the call to log in to the NLUO when they log into simcountry. So to say no uses it is a flat out lie. |
| Alyan Locien | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:30 pm
err...
You just said that no one is logging in and or they don't know how to use it.
( took me what, 10 mins to explore and know how to "use" the site :-/ )
So no, it is not a lie. |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:32 pm
Furthermore. This is a government of the world of Little Upsilon. We live on LU not at the government site. The government site is the place to debate policy, political agendas, war, economic agendas etc. We use the SC forum to communicate the things set up in the government to the world of LU. Also there are non government officials who support the world government. Why can't we use whatever media we desire to make a case. Josias, you need to just mind your business. |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:34 pm
Yes it is Alyan. it is a lie. The site is used. NO ONE LOGS IN AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:35 pm
This is why I said log into the site when you log into simcountry. No one does that. But the site is used. Quit trying to double talk ALyan. You been hangin around Kiss, Orbiter, and the likes of those individuals to much. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:36 pm
Josias why do you post on the forum? Do you have to answer that? No.
What makes you think anyone needs your permission to use this forum, or explain why they post anything?
He is a paying member of simcountry. If free members like Alyan nobody can post then I don't see how your question requires an answer.
This just proves the point about the general forum. It isn't about what forum is being utilized but more about your inability to dictate what people can or can't do on this forum.
Jonni, Andy, anybody have a problem with it? Then discussion is over. I shouldn't have dignified your nonsense with a response. But better said, you need to find something to do.
And let me quit while I am ahead also before I get another email about the forum. Wow. |
| Alyan Locien | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:42 pm
Hez, i logged in when i loginto SC. And i stay logged in almost all day. You are the only other i have seen thur and that was once. after i told you in chat that i posted thur. :-/ |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:42 pm
People don't log into chat when they log into simcountry, and given the atmosphere on the forum, I am not the least bit surprised. People will or won't log onto the NLUO at their discretion. As the NLUO grows, it's site utilization will follow that trend.
King Alyan was a plant like he was on FB. He joined my fed in his last reincarnation as an agent provocateur that tried to start a lot of strife, but played even less. I wouldn't be surprised if he was some real player's version of their 'free' self. |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:43 pm
Sweetpea goes there. Lord Lee goes there, Dictator goes there, Stephen ryan goes there, |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:44 pm
You do not go there and stay there Alyan because I am logged in 24hrs a day. and when you are logged into simcountry you are not logged into the government site. another lie. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:45 pm
Ah yeah, his last free account was named Falcien, and this one Alyan Locien, and I am sure if I dug up some chat logs we'd find multiple incarnations of this player with the suffix cien added to any number of names. Same MO chatty likes to provoke and play both sides of an issue, and that is proly not an accident. Best to ignore. He is irrelevant. |
| Lorelei | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:48 pm
Whether a player is free or a paying customer shouldn't make a difference, and talking down to free members calling them "nobody" is very derogatory and thus could discourage them from ever becoming paying members or staying with the game. Being a paid member doesn't really entitle you to anything within the game except some game perks. If this were the case, the GMs would not have introduced free play. Therefore, the free play component must be integral to the game or an enticement for free players to eventually become paid members. I think it is in poor taste to call anyone a "nobody" in this game, paid or free or otherwise.
Please stop taking what is meant to be a game and turning it into something personal.
From my standpoint,wherever anyone wants to post is not an issue with me, as I like to see people posting. It is up to the GMs to determine what goes where, and whether something is posted is spam or no or if it is disruptive to the forum.
I just respectfully ask of all players, including myself, that personal, unnecessary derogatory comments cease. It is unacceptable and does not enhance the gaming environment. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:52 pm
Whatever, send another email. I am the furthest thing from wrong in this thread. Furthermore, nobody cares what you have to say. In fact I am intentionally trying to avoid you but you just keep popping your head up wherever I post. All my comments are valid and pertain to the game. Done and never again.
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| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:54 pm
Oh, my bad I think that player was talking to Josias. Sounded more pertinent to his posts than mine. In that case, that player is spot on. My mistake. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:55 pm
It would be great if moderators would be moderators. I should place that on my wishlist. |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 05:57 pm
The free play is to get people to get paid accounts. If you play free enough, and always run into limitations, you will eventually buy an account. This is the point of the game. To buy your way in the game. Free accounts have no say in anything in the game. They can't vote to make changes in the game or anything. They can't even have more than 2 countries. This is why when I came on I immediately make it my business to get a premium account. How can I as a player promote a world government, and I have not even bought into the game. So, Wendy is right on the money. |
| Alyan Locien | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:01 pm
"King Alyan was a plant like he was on FB. He joined my fed in his last reincarnation as an agent provocateur that tried to start a lot of strife, but played even less. I wouldn't be surprised if he was some real player's version of their 'free' self. "
I use to / am playing on FB? huh... when was this? i haven't play the game in around 3-4 years now. and i sure wasn't using this name nor was i on FB. nor have i ever used Cien. in a name before.
So... nice try creating a fectishis names for me so i am less of a noob. But you are wrong. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:02 pm
i was just curious, i mean, all this stuff, could be put internally, and you wouldn't be irritating people. i mean you don't have to.
as you pointed out, you can post it where you want. but my point is, you've got your own website, and posting stuff like this irritates people. if you where interested in being non-aggressive, what the problem with making adjustments to be less obnoxious?
i get that you have every right to be as irritating as you want. but why?
so, why is a non-aggressive organization, purposefully irritating people? |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:03 pm
Me either Alyan, I just started playing yesterday. 
I probably stretched the truth I started more like two months ago, Agree? Haha |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:06 pm
and as far as minding my own business, you guys are the ones that keep posting all this stuff... |
| Lorelei | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:08 pm
Dear Wendy,
As you argue the right for Hezzy to post wherever and when he wants, I exercise that right as well. I'm sorry I will speak up and offer my opinion no matter who it is. It certainly isn't personal, which is how you take it.
As far as me sending an email, if you attack me on a personal level or any player, yes an email complaint should be made to the GM for such behavior is uncalled for. So as far as I'm concerned, the moderators ARE doing their job.
Now as far as this game goes, because you and I are on two opposing sides of the NLUO issue, I will on occasion have to respond to your posts. Therefore, I hardly call that trolling you. I'm just playing my game. I'm sorry it doesn't fall under how you think I should play it. |
| SweetPea | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 06:26 pm
Can you hear me now? Move on, because I have. It is what I was asked to do and have done so several times. And I am forced to do so again for the fourth time,
once again, moooving on.... |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 07:16 pm
so, why is a non-aggressive organization, purposefully irritating people? |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:10 pm
Josias. You are the only moaning an groaning. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 08:47 pm
see what i mean?
so, why is a non-aggressive organization, purposefully irritating people? |
| King Hezekiah II | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 09:17 pm
You are irritating yourself. Stop gnashing your teeth Orbiter. |
| Josias | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 09:46 pm
its obvious that you are not a peaceful organization. if you where, you would have found a way to compromise and adjust to other players wishes, and co-exist. you don't have to, of course, but the refusal, combined with the claim of authority, invites conflict
The fact that you are shouting down the very same tactics that you use... is evidence that you are not interested in cohabiting on LU, with non-NLUO members. As you deny others right to have any kind of organization, outside of your own! |
| Crafty | Monday, December 31, 2012 - 10:13 pm
A full time moderator, ahhhh...wishlist, yes.
Actually, I am kind of happy that this thread started if the original posters idea is carried out.
It is in the LU forum, more importantly I think it is good that some policies of NLUO come to light to clear up their current image of dictators and aggressors, megalomaniacs. I encourage it whole-heartedly and I have asked for this openess before.
The only cloud here is, and I quote; "Ok Herod I will play along with your stupid debate." from Hezzy. He obviously doesn't want to say out loud his policies or doesn't know them. Seems Herod has some balls to come honest and open though.
Now I wait to see if there are any NLUO members out there who actually have any questions for either. The way these things normally go King Herod is for you to say your piece, allow Hez to retort and ask for questions after. Go for it! |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:11 pm
This is my vision for the NLUO and the world of LU as a whole. The NLUO being a thriving governing organization for all nations of LU to be apart of in some capacity. I am going to lay out some goals I believe this government can achieve if we all work together for the betterment of LU through the political process. LU lacks any real international politics, and is limited to federations, common markets, and a Security Council. The forums are used by veteran players to teach new members, and communicate with other players on Simcountry. There is a public voting forum to use to help facilitate changes in the game. There is also a chat system for feds, common markets, worlds, and general sc chat. This is all fine, but this system alienates all new nations. It always keeps the big nations and empires on top, and everyone else dangling at the bottom of the food chain until they build their empires up. This is discouraging for new nations, and is the main cause for nations leaving the game. This government aims to be the medium between all nations big and small, premium, and free accounts. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:17 pm
Politics: There are political parties for nations to join based on their personal ideology. There is an executive Branch, a tri-cameral Legislature, and a International Criminal Court. Through this structure all nations of LU has a voice and a stake in the forward movement of Little Upsilon. This is where the politics can grow from here. As nations are building their empires, they can participate in the government, learn how to play the game, and have interaction with other nations on LU whether they are a great nation or not. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:30 pm
Any nation big or small who does not want to participate in this system will not be required or forced to participate in this system. If the government is threatened by a non participating nation, then that nation will be considered a participating nation, and will be dealt with as such, who would threaten the government's existence. Outside opinions are not regarded because these nations should not have anything to say about our government because they do not want to participate. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:43 pm
Representation: Tri-cameral Legislature
Committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of Regional Federations: There are 85 regions on Little Upsilon, and there is a nation who represents each region, and the federation of the nation who occupies the seat protects that region. Some nations have huge empires, so they will have multiple seats, thus giving their federation responsibilities for more regions of the world. There are 85 seats. This is how the power structure is built in this legislature. The more seats you have the more power you yield, and the more power your federation yields. This Legislature is used to bring proposals about domestic issues such as war, boycotts,constitutional amendments, etc.. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:49 pm
Committee of Common Market Founders & Members: This also is a legislature with 85 seats representing the 85 regions on LU. The Common Market of the occupier of the seat represents, and does business with the region they represent. This will take time to facilitate. Also in this Legislature there are huge empires with huge common markets, so they will have multiple seats. This legislature is a mirror of the Joint Chiefs except is used for common market representation, and legislation. Only economic proposals are brought to the floor in this legislature. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 08:51 pm
Security Council: The Security Council is the glue of the Tri-cameral legislature. The Security Council must approve all legislation from both chambers before it is presented in the other 2 chambers. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 09:00 pm
The Executive Branch & the Checks and Balances: The Executive Branch is the administrator of the Tri-cameral legislature, and represents the NLUO world government on the International Stage. The Secretary General is the head of the NLUO world government, and the manager of the government. The Secretary of State handles diplomacy, and foreign policy, and regulates war. The Secretary of Defense declares the wars, and runs and coordinates all wars through the federations. The Secretary of Justice makes sure the executive branch follows the laws, and constitution of the NLUO world Government, and is the Attorney General of the LU International Court, and has summons power. The Secretary of Treasury handles the economy of LU, and regulates the common markets, and common Market legislature. The Secretary of LU Security Oversees the Security Council, and deals with natural disasters, presidential boycotts, and monitors nuclear countries, and threatening nations. The LU International Court Oversees the Executive Branch, and parts of the Executive Branch oversees the LUICC, as well as the Joint chiefs confirm the Judges. |
| King Hezekiah II | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 09:03 pm
So if we learn how to use these tool, and incorporate it into the game, you will be amazed at how fun and organized it is, and how interactive it is. I hope nobody has anymore questions about the government. If you do, join it. I have all of this understanding as to how the gov works, so it would be foolish to not re-elect me to help keep the momentum going. If you bring in this noob, King Herod VI, he will more than likely run this government into non-existence. |
| shave | Tuesday, January 1, 2013 - 09:51 pm
Oh that's Just Beautiful Hezz! did ya catch that last one? ROFL...." I your Supreme Master Possess All Knowledge! and You Are FOOLS to not acknowledge this Fact and Keep me as your Slave Driving,....uh.. I mean ruler! ....uh no no I mean ELECTED OFFICIAL! yes yes that's what I mean! Lol "
listen to the way he talks down to you from the heights of his Majesties Thrown! he thinks you are all stupid! I say its time for a change! he says outsiders have no business stating their opinions! well that right there tells you precisely how King Hezzy intends to deal with outside nations. perhaps we have now a positive look into King Hezziez Foreign policy! today we are outsiders! and before you know it, just like before.....next we are terrorists! oh yea, ill bet the people will get behind that idea! A Hezz? sounds awfully familiar to me! |
| Crafty | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 12:44 am
I like the way he says
Quote:This government aims to be the medium between all nations big and small, premium, and free accounts.
and then
Quote:This is how the power structure is built in this legislature. The more seats you have the more power you yield, and the more power your federation yields.
Or, you are all equal, just some more equal than others.
Lol, yes, that does sound familiar, where did I hear that before... |
| King Herod VI | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 12:54 am
Well, Well, Well, King Hezekiah you are loosing your chairmanship to me in our Fed 5 to 1. I am sure the 1 vote is yours. lol.... Anyways, if you can't even hold your chairmanship, how can you maintain your position as Secretary General.
Ahhhh, Let's see. LU has already spoken. The Isolationists control the Joint Chiefs congress. We control the International Criminal Court, and now LU is giving us control over the Executive Branch.
All we need to do is gain a majority in the Security Council, and the Common Market Congress, and I believe that LU will give us a permanent majority. This will surely be as long as we hold to our Ideology, and contain President Sweetpea because she is an Isolationist, although she leans expansionist in most issues.
What do you say, Hezekiah? I love chess. Well Check Mate!!! |
| Crafty | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 02:38 pm
King Herod VI, I suggest you dont crow too loud. As much as I would vote for you myself, it is not the sign of a statesman to whoop and holla about a victory as yet to be secured.
Remember, pride comes before a fall. |
| King Hezekiah II | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 05:27 pm
Listen to him Herod because you are now loosing the fed Election. |
| King Hezekiah II | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 05:46 pm
NLUO Federation Chairman Election 5 King Herod VI vs. King Hezekiah II 5. If nobody else votes by default I maintain the chairmanship of our fed, and I keep my seat in the Joint Chiefs. |
| King Hezekiah II | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 05:49 pm
Executive Administration Election for Secretary General:
Incumbent: King Hezekiah II (E) Israelite Empire (7)
Challenger: King Herod VI (I-Nation of Edom) Votes (10)
Voting ends January 7, 3088. |
| Carthaginian0 | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 06:35 pm
Well I was requested to moderate, but not sure how this would work... So I'll ask a question for both candidates:
How do you plan on repairing the international publicity of the NLUO, which seems right now as harsh and unforgiving? |
| King Hezekiah II | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 07:06 pm
Well this will take the efforts of the international community, and the NLUO both. We all need to be willing to assemble together to hear one another's views. The only thing is. The nations of the international community, who do not want to be apart of the government, or even acknowledge the government, why should we as a government even acknowledge their concerns? This is my question. |
| The Unknown | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 09:38 pm
Too many chiefs not enough indians is what I see though this was a debate?
the posts changes so quickly cant really find a straight answer
u guys must be real hungry cuz that
alot of spam
if I may... am only looking in |
| Carthaginian0 | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 11:30 pm
Hezekiah, my answer to you, regarding outside countries, is this:
Why on earth would we not want to take them into concern? If we are a PEACEFUL body, then why do we want to provoke nations? We want to show them we care about the entire world, not our little faction of it. That is the way to grow the NLUO and avoid conflicts with many nations.
I don't really understand your stance that is anti-outsiders. You seem to have a "for us or against us" mentality that is simply not the mentality the leader of the NLUO should have. You ignore the 75% of the world, the ones who have not chosen a side, or simply don't know what the NLUO is. Pushing them away is a sure way to extermination. |
| King Hezekiah II | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 11:40 pm
I see your point, and it is noted. |
| King Herod VI | Wednesday, January 2, 2013 - 11:49 pm
He is absolutely correct Mr. Secretary General. We must acknowledge all entities. We must find out what these entities need, and help them. You want to drive people away.
Let's take the Hydra situation. Hezekiah, you and only you are the reason Hydra exists. If you would have accepted the input of those countries, we would have not have had to go to war, there would have not been any bloodshed. Not to mention, that caused a blowback affect, and there were internal wars that broke out which is one of the reasons the Isolationists have the majority in the Joint Chiefs Congress.
Hezekiah, I did support you, and I do think you are a hardnosed,strong, worthy manager, but your time is done. The expansionist way is not accepted on LU. Give the Isolationists a chance to manage the government, and give confidence to the countries of LU that we do not want to rule you, we want to cooperate with you. This is the Isolationist platform. Cooperation through economic harmony. |
| shave | Thursday, January 3, 2013 - 05:32 am
once again the Polarian People herald the diplomacy of King Herod. the Hydra aliance is not looking for a war. we were as you so well put it, a created entity born of necessity. raised up to defend the interests of a free world! there is nothing we would welcome more then an NLUO that partners itself with the rest of the world in an open cooperative manner. Freedom must be allowed to exist unhindered.
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