| Hasan Atir | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 06:45 pm 
So I was just looking at the state of the market and noticed a sharp rise in demand of offensive ammunition. I also noticed that only a new beginner country had declared war on its neighbours. So can one country going to war really stress the market this much? |
| Letsie | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 07:26 pm
One player could theoretically do that yes. However it is much more likely that more people are buying and just not going to war.
Several corporations need ammunition. People could be stockpiling weapons. People are even now sometimes waging a war against a c3.
In the last 24 hours I could find 5 wars and I have just done a quick search. So it is much more then just 1 new beginner country. Countries that fight at higher war lvls need a LOT more weapons.
Ad to all this that the offensive weapon market might be short a few corporations and you get a really volatile market. |
| Andy | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 09:00 pm
The reason is different.
The increased use of ammo in general and in weapons too, is a long term effort to make the market less dependent on a very small number of corporations producing a certain product.
Producing Factory maintenance, there are several thousand corporations in each world.
Same with services, electrical power and more.
for ammo, many types were produced by less than 5 corporations.
we have gradually increased the use of ammo and weapons in weapon maintenance while reducing the use of other products in weapon maintenance.
This was and is a slow change that ate into very large surpluses and players selling into the market but in recent weeks, the surpluses started to disappear and some shortages are showing.
This resulted, and will even more in the future, in more corporations being created that produce these products.
we would like to see at least 20 but preferably 100 corporations producing each product. It will make the market less dependent on actions by a single players. (remains possible and occurs all the time).
we keep looking at the market to find weak products and try to tune some parameters from time to time to create a situation where all products have a serious opportunity and corporations do not close after a short period. |
| John Galt | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 09:56 pm
I can easily trigger massive ammo and maintenance shortages by declaring war on a C3. At war level 19, which is what my wars declare at right now, the amount of maintenance products and ammunition that is used for training/maintenance is insanely high. With my 5 countries, I can declare 5 wars and trigger massive shortages. At the lower war levels, this isn't as big of a concern. Another reason to ditch war levels. If I was an evil man I would constantly have 5 C3 wars declared, but I use this power responsibly lol. |
| John Galt | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 10:23 pm
Screw it I'm declaring 5 wars to illustrate my point. Watch the following products for massive shortages:
Military supplies, Military services, Gasoline, Aircraft Fuel, Defense Weapon maintenance, Airforce Maintenance, interceptor missiles, helicopter missiles, light tank ammo, light arty ammo, defence missiles, missile interceptors, and anti aircraft missiles.
The insane increase in the demand for the above products will trigger exactly at the next game month when the WL19 C3s with insanely large deployed armies put in their purchase orders. |
| Letsie | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 10:34 pm
Dude! DUUUUUUUUDDDDEEEEEE! Really!? Hahahahhahaaaa You evil bastard :P
To get back on point, you don't even need be at war lvl 19 to trigger those shortages. Anything from war lvl 6 and up can really affect the markets. This is because they are relatively small markets. |
| John Galt | Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 10:40 pm
Haha sorry Letsie. Im hoping this evil act gets us one step closer to abolishing war levels for good. |
| Andy | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 12:19 am
For a long time we had massive oversupply of these products, despite many C3 wars.
When a C3 war starts, the country gets the weapons that are needed for that level and orders are placed on the market.
If you all start such wars to create a shortage, you will see many new corporations being created and production will rise to a new level which is OK.
shortages in a product trigger the creation of new corporations, many in C3 countries.
These corporations are smaller and most C3 countries can create many.
This however, did not happen in the past and we had oversupply.
I explained what we are doing for several months, to increase the number of corporations for all small products.
It was in game news several times.
Longer ago, it was true for all weapons and ammo. Defensive weapons oversupply was resolved much longer ago.
In the same period the price of weapons and ammunition was decreased significantly, in many steps. This in response to players requests and the general trend to reduce the cost of war.
we will continue to do so without any disruption in the markets. |
| ROBERT E LEE | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:37 am
yeet john brings a tear to my eye i think he was a johnny reb in a past life |
| John Galt | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 05:24 am
The massive shortages have arrived on schedule. All it took was 5 wars. War levels are the worst thing to ever happen to this game. |
| Lord Mndz | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 07:24 am
War and game levels are needed but should serve completely different objective than limitation and protection. I will find some time to post it soon. |
| Andy | Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 01:38 pm
Check the market John, (utilization page)
everywhere you see less than 10 or even 20 corporations producing a product, you will see some (slow) action from our side to increase the use of the product and the number of corporations producing it.
we have started it a long time ago and are nearly done.
You should realize that C3 wars cause these countries to purchase weapons but after the war, most of it is put back on the market.
Recently there were several shifts in the maintenance of offensive weapons.
The cost used to be mainly in military services and some ammo.
Military services were in severe short supply and continue to be although less severe than before.
to prevent higher maintenance cost, we have, several times, reduced the use of military services and increased the use of offensive weapons maintenance products.
The changes were small and were applied in the past 5 or 6 upgrades.
This did not suddenly changed the market but gave these products a steady stream of orders and gradually created a stronger production base.
Production remains low, the use of the products is erratic and it is open for fluctuations and manipulations but, there is a stronger production base.
we hope for more wars and the numbers will increase.
need also to quickly tune the navy. |
| Andy | Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 11:55 am
One of the reasons some products are not easily stabilizing is that C3 countries are prohibited form creating some types of corporations.
For example, C3 countries cannot create some weapon corporations and anything close to the nukes industry.
this was done to prevent new players from getting a country with these corporations already there.
This is another limitation we might just drop.
There are some nuclear weapons and ammo that are in huge short supply.
These corporations can be very profitable as the price of the product can go higher by a much larger percentage.
very few players start these corporations.
If C3s will do so, it will improve the market, also for all the raw materials these corporations use. |
