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SUDDEN_Massive worker shortages (Golden Rainbow)

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Jack Jones (Golden Rainbow)

Sunday, November 9, 2008 - 05:00 pm Click here to edit this post
I go to bed last night. I have enough workers to cover 100% production in my countries. I get up this morning and I need 100s of thousands of workers for full production. Not just low end either workers. I'm short managers and engineers too. Its like 3-4 corporations were built in each of my countries overnight.

But there aren't any new corporations. In one country only two aren't at 100% (both at ~75%). In the other country there are all at 100%.

Any idea what is going on?

Jack Jones (Golden Rainbow)

Sunday, November 9, 2008 - 05:14 pm Click here to edit this post
Looking at the number of corporations in my two countries It looks like I lost 3 corporation in both countries in the last game month.....But that should mean I have MORE workers. Not less.

My kind of town

Angus88 (Little Upsilon)

Monday, November 10, 2008 - 08:32 am Click here to edit this post
You may have created a demographic hole. This happens by the supply of a certain worker type decreases over a generation, when all the workers go into retirement there isn't enough in the next generation to replace them. The result a worker shortage.
This will happen if you regularly convert educated people into workers then decide to stop, education priorities are changed significantly, massive privatization of large economies (efficiency of many corporations increase around the same time changing the demand of the entire workforce), extremely rapid growth (lots of corporations are built in a short period of time, causing a similar situation with corporation efficiency as privatization), rapid growth in population (pop transfers) without adequate growth in education and health system (next generation will have the same infrastructure but more will have to use it), or extreme education expansion (will significantly decrease worker supply in a short period of time), rapid military buildup, decrease in health and/or education system, or population limit reached. If none of those conditions could have occurred then I'm stumped.

Angus88 (Little Upsilon)

Monday, November 10, 2008 - 08:38 am Click here to edit this post
Also if you need lots of "100% needed production" in every area you probably only have a shortage in one professional. (100% needed for production + reserved for new facilities) - unemployed = number of workers you actually need more of. Any => 0 you have shortages of, any < 0 you don't need to worry about, it only says they are needed because the shortage is preventing them from working. If you are only capable of hiring 50% of a needed professional then the game only allows you to hire 50% of all needed professionals.

Jack Jones (Golden Rainbow)

Tuesday, November 11, 2008 - 07:28 pm Click here to edit this post
I wonder if it had something to do with the changes made to the game. It still shows that I lost 3 corps in each country. But the worker shortage disappeared and the unemployment rate didn't change....


Kamihiv (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 04:18 am Click here to edit this post
That can't be quite right, Angus. I'm suffering from 31% unemployment after a large chunk of my corps cut hiring. In all cases the 100% need for production + reserved for new facilities (which, in every case is 0, so its really only my 100% needed number) - unemployed is for ALL profession <= 0. As such, I can't deduce what profession I need by the equation given...since I should technically have plenty for every profession then, right?

Charles III (Kebir Blue)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 08:21 am Click here to edit this post
Kamihiv, you say all your numbers are <0... By how much? There appears to be a one month offset in the numbers in terms of timing the new workers comming in. Check how big the numbers are. If one of them is roughly the same size as the number of new workers trained in that profession for the month, then that is the one holding you back.

Angus88 (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 08:45 am Click here to edit this post
Well your country seams ok now. And yes in that case you have enough workers, you will need to wait for the corporations to rehire the people they sacked. They will only hire 5% of each type of professional each month, in your case since your country is still small you may have produced a large shortage in one worker type, causing the rest to be sacked (hence the 100000s of workers needed even if you had enough).

Kamihiv (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 02:22 pm Click here to edit this post
Thanks a lot for the replies. Luckily saw a small increase before I had to head to work for the evening and left feeling like it would only improve.

Wasn't aware of the 5% hiring rule, explains a lot as to why it took some time to recover after a few steps to make the recovery. Will just have to be something I keep a closer eye on in the future.

Thanks again ya'll.

Keith Allaire (Little Upsilon)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:24 pm Click here to edit this post
I woke up this morning to find every single country in my empire having massive (100-200K) HLW shortages and half the corps in my empire laying off workers. When I went to bed last night, everything was fine.

49. Workers Flexibility - Moving between workers and professionals groups [ top ]

We have increased the flexibility of workers moving between workers groups and professions. Large shortages of High Level Workers became a major problem for mainly long-term players with large countries. The problem is now solved.

Up to 24.000 workers can become HLWs each game month, allowing for the required flexibility.

We have now moved to solve the problem of too many unemployed professionals that are highly educated buy never find a job.

If the numbers of unemployed in any group will exceed a set threshold, some will move back into the workers groups.

Examples: if there are more than 200.000 unemployed teachers, or the same number of high tech engineers or nurses, or low level or medium level managers, up to 10.000 per month may migrate to a workers group and try to find a job.

The same applies to senior doctors, senior high tech engineers, university teachers and high level manager but the migration will start if the number of unemployed in that group reaches 100.000 and the number changing profession will be up to 5.000 a month.

Executives will migrate if the number of unemployed reaches 50.000 and 2.500 will change their profession each month.

These additional functions will be added to the game next week, on Tuesday June 10.

The numbers may be tuned at a later stage.


It almost seems as if W3C turned this feature (which had kept my numbers of HLW stable for several real months) off. Now I won't be able to do the manual conversions from my nurse stockpiles quickly enough. The problem is in every country in my empire, which would not be the case if it was solely a demographics issue on my side (I could see it happening to one or two of my countries this suddenly if it was demographics, but all six? Seems like a gamewide change).

I'm going to be away the first half of December...I really hope the workers situation did not just turn FUBAR right before I will not be on to manually correct it every game month.


Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 05:18 pm Click here to edit this post
So if I stop converting professionals to workers, my worker shortages will eventually stop, and they will start to replenish themselves?

coolwind (Golden Rainbow)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 07:38 pm Click here to edit this post
there seems to be a problem today with HLW, se the White Giant thread above

Tom Willard (White Giant)

Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 11:09 pm Click here to edit this post
Tuning takes place frequently and the movements of workers between groups continue all the time and remain unchanged in size.

If you have any shortages of HLWs and many unemployed LLWs, then movements will continue in the coming game months and shortages will be reduced.

We are making changes from time to time that can have short term effects.

One of the reasons is an increase in the number of corporations in all worlds.
we have seen such increase recently, both because countries without a president now have more corporations but also because more players are increasing their population.

More corporations can slow down the processing and to prevent that effect, we are, prom time to time, increasing the number of workers in some corporations and with it, the output of these corporations.

If corporations are larger, their numbers will not increase so fast.

These corporations also become more profitable. These changes, in most cases are slow and do not disturb the market. If you have any problem cause by such changes, let us know.

William Miller (White Giant)

Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 12:03 am Click here to edit this post
Hmmm. The changes seem to be too dramatic to be caused by tuning. I have seen this happen in both monthly updates today. I have seen lower amounts of high tech engineers and seniors along with dramatically lower numbers of hlw. So far, no movement of llw or mlw to hlw have been observed in my empire. Please have an open mind and look for the problem. In my largest country 50m pop, the fluctuations are too large too be fixed by moving 50k workers. My employment is only 91% and dropping due to this issue.

coolwind (Golden Rainbow)

Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 01:59 am Click here to edit this post
Have to agree.

Tom that's all very well but the explanations are always too little too late. Bear in mind that you have to continue to get your US dollar from the customer ( especially from this Scotsman) and my confidence is waining.

I had just spent another 10 gold coins in POP thinking I had ballsed my totals and still couldn't resolve the problem!! and then you timidly come in with the excuses

Plan ahead and go practice elsewhere and think about some compensatory actions or you will lose business.

Kevin Henry (Little Upsilon)

Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 04:12 am Click here to edit this post
@ Coolwind

You're out of line. If there's a problem they will fix it. A little patience should not be too much to ask. Being disrespectful and threatening is completely unneeded.

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