Capitalistic Nature of this Game

I know that in the past, it has been requested that presidents have the option to have a country that does not rely on profit or money. This game assumes that all countries are capitalist, and it's really not possible to have any other kind of system. This has been suggested on more than one occasion, and I think that the addition of the option for a moneyless economy be made a priority by the development team.

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Well I do think that when choosing a certain form of government for your country there should be flaws or bonuses like there is in the civilization games.

though in civillization democracy is the best hands down they should be more equal in simcountry except for the communists they can be the worst

Gunther, true communist society IS democratic. You are confusing democracy with capitalism. The cold war had nothing to do with democracy; it was capitalism verses communism. To make it fair in this game, all systems should be equally good. Sure, make it a tradeoff, but a FAIR tradeoff for choosing communism over capitalism.

Having different government types could be very interesting.

The 'communist' countries could receive more of a benefit from state run corporations, and less of a benefit from private enterprise corporations.

However, there is not currently an option for a communist government - socialist is perhaps the closest. And the fit there is very problematic.

However, if game effects by country type were to be introduced, I'd argue that game effects were based off the government types as they were intended to be - not the way they were implemented in the real world.

The world's largest democracy at the moment is ....China. So, there would be a lot of leeway on how the government types are actually played.

What if a country wants to choose neither communism or capitalism? Fascist states are a possibility, and allowed now. Where corporations are allowed, but broken to the will of the state. Run privatel

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China is not a democracy at all. It is a single-party state.

On topic, how would you propose implementing a moneyless society in SimCountry (or at all)? I don't think it can be done in the context of a modern economy...

Very glad you asked, Kitsune.

http://international-proletariat.webs.com//pdai-mani-e5.pdf

The link above is the Manifesto of National Proletarianism. This is my own proposal for a moneyless society that could hypothetically run in the modern day.

China
(from Wikipedia)

Starting in the 1980s, they allow village elections to take place. All higher levels of government are indirectly elected with candidates vetted by the government. As a result, the highest levels of government contain either Communist Party members, their United Front allies, and sympathetic independents.

United Front (same source)

he United Front in the People's Republic of China is a nominally popular front led by the Communist Party of China. It is managed by the United Front Work Department (Chinese: 中共中央统战部) of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and besides the communist party it consists of eight minor parties and the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce.


Yes, it is the world's largest democracy. A different form f

Everyone knows India is the worlds largest democracy there is no such thing as a true democracy so there is some leeway allowed but China is not a democracy just ask them yourself they'll tell you


Marshall I'm not confusing democracy with capitalism I was


referring to another game in which democracy and communism are different forms of government its not 100% accurate and I was just kiddding about communism being the worst I just wanted to give you a hard time and I don't know if you can say true communism is democratic because true communism is supposed to manifest in a society in which government is not needed and if communism is a form of economy then why would that have anything to do with being democratic or not its just in history all notable communist countries were dictatorships

And why is it everytime I press on a link it directs me to the simcountry homepage

And Richard anyone can post on wikipedia ;) I hated it when my teachers used to tell me that

Marshall, I have to disagree with you on a couple of points. Communism is not democratic; it is the very essence of elitism, couched in deceptive rhetoric. The Cold War WAS about democracy vs. communism, but capitalism was able to outspend and out-innovate the socialist Marx-Lenin economic model, while at the same time providing a higher standard of living for the "proletariat".
One other observation: the U.S is not a democracy, but a representative republic, though "democracy" is commonly used to differentiate between the free countries and the oppressed countries.

The Chinese People do not guide their nation, their Government guides them. In democracy, it is the opposite.

I didn't say that all communism is democratic; I said that TRUE communism is democratic. I will also point out that true and pure communism, as envisioned by Karl Marx, has never existed.

Well, since my link isn't working, I will just copy and paste the entire text into my next post here.

The Manifesto of National Proletarianism
By: Karactus J. Blome
Fifth Edition

I. Capitalism: The Hypocrisy
Capitalism: An economic ideology that centers on greed and exploitation. The
People are never in a worse system than this abominable, hypocritical system. In a
capitalist society, the people work to satisfy only their own wants and needs.
Corporations pay each worker individually for their labor, and take credit for
achievements; credit that rightfully belongs to the workers who accomplished them!
Most capitalists care nothing for the poverty and suffering of the lowly workers, a
class that consists of more than half the population. Yet capitalism also promises
freedom to the consumer, allowing to choose and purchase any product they wish.
Capitalism promises to preserve your freedom. If an individual decided to stop
paying back their debt, they could.
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Sorry about the lack of a space between some of the sentences. This happened because it didn't copy directly. The actual PDF version of the document does not have these imperfections.

darn, why even bother which type of government. i'm the owner of my empire, none of my companies can make decisions on their own, or can they?

a capitalism society could only exist if there are no owner of countries.

whatever government you choose, does the GM actually have the knowledge of how each government system works? ;)

Marshall: This is not an attack on you, personally, I think you have given this a lot of thought. However, most of your manifesto is either bunk, ignores physics, or does not take into account human nature. There are a few good ideas, though. Maybe we can debate this sometime.

Well, I am an inventor, not an economist or an accountant. I designed National Proletarianism using the engineering design process, meaning that it's still a work-in-progress (notice that the Manifesto is in its Fifth Edition).

National Proletarianism was not 'philosophized', it is 'engineered'. Many people think of me as being a philosopher, and I suppose that I am also a philosopher, in a way. But contrary to what most people think about it, National Proletarianism did not come from a philosopher who dreamed about a 'life over the rainbow', so to speak. Instead it came from the mind of an inventor, who wanted to make life easier. Sure, I am a philosopher, but I was not using that mindset when I was writing the Manifesto; I was in the mindset of an inventor who saw many problems, and sought to invent, or engineer, a solution for them.

Your confusing trade with capitalism

Communism believe in government ran markets and the ideal everyone gives everything to a few who distribute it equally.

Capitalism believes that the government should have no interference with the markets and that all goods made shouldn't have government influence(This a trade is influenced by private corporations and enterprises).

Every nation "Trades" The soviet union in the cold war had many jobs all of which traded goods with other nations. But everything was ran by the government they still had money and used it for operation the "Empire" thought the cold war.

in relation to simcountry, please clarify how a government type really affect/effect on your empire? i just came across that the GM has some corporations in my countries, and i wonder why in the real world NATO does not have a company in the USA? maybe NATO and USA ain't exactly a good analogy, but i'm sure you got my point

if it's my country, i should ran it the way i see fit. these interferences from the GM are not realistic. in my view, the only roles the GM has would be (1) enforce contracts of transactions, (2) make sure the simcountry program is bug free, (3)provide money/loans to players so they can develop their countries

those should be the very basic

i don't see how system without any form of common denominator will operate either. even in simcountry there are two form of currencies, beign gold coins and

@ Xyooj: As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong), the type of government in simcountry has no effect on how the game is run, but is a cosmetic option for player satisfaction only.
@ Marshall: I agree that there are problems in most any form of government, and that government seems to be a necessary evil, at least until humans are all pure in heart, as it were. Even though our ideas on what constitutes an ideal government are probably very different, I am glad to see someone actually analyzing the situation. Being an older duffer who lived thru the Cold war, I tend to see Red when communism is extolled.