Overall Defence Index Levels

Defence Index levels to replace war levels? Part 1

It is true that the current war levels to stop the stronger players attacking the weaker players on this game has certainly worked, as there is no denial in that. Up to a point where PvP wars are rare now. Maybe it's because everyone's all happy getting on with each other but the forums are telling me differently, of which there is certain players threatening to declare war on one another as you have probularly seen. I've also noticed that these certain players that threaten to declare war on them are usually those who are near war level 3 or those that are in secured mode or some other form of war protection. Well the truth is... as well as myself, we are all too afraid to fight. As they all know that many of them have a military arsenal that is probularly well over a 100 times more powerful than theirs. So how can anybody ever see PvP wars thrive again when odds like this are overwh

Defence Index levels to replace war levels? Part 2

SINGLE COUNTRIES

If you are a single country in this game, the advantages and disadvantages you will have in this system would be such as

Having the same amount of military spending limits as the enemy at the start of the war, whether you are going up against 2 or even 25 countries, you would have the same amount of all of them combined.

Or simply to stay out of the war since the secured mode for your main country will still be in force no matter how high your defence index is.

WAR DECLARATIONS

Once you start a war you cannot call in anybody or a neutral player for help or join a federation until the war is over as this would be seen too much of an advantage for the player or vice versa.

As for federations, that would be a combined total of all the countries and empires overall defence index levels. Which means even a single country can declare

Defence Index levels to replace war levels? Part 3

QUESTIONS

Will the smaller/weaker players be guaranteed war protection under this 0-20 defence index level?

Yes, the overall defence index levels could be the new solution as they could stay in the 0-20 zone until they feel they can go up to the next level . The index levels of mine would give the new players the opportunity to gradually build up on their military over time much more successfully without the fear of being attacked by the large militarized players.

What happens if you are at 0-20 defence index level with a very large empire?

Even if you have a large empire at that level you will be protected from war, but there would some kind of a limit imposed to the number of countries you are allowed to have. For example if the limit was up to 5 countries at that level and have an empire of about 6 to 10 countries or even more for example. Rebellions and riot

Basically, I dont think you understand how easily the war or defensive index can be manipulated.

If you mean if you wanted to fight someone who is much weaker than you, then sell a lot of your weapons and ammo to match his index. This is the only way to make fighting more fair and give the inexperienced a good fighting chance.

Or if you meant transporting weapons from other worlds through the middle of a war, that might not be possible. When I mean by an Overall defence index for players, thats including all the weapons and ammo you have in your enterprises and countries on the other worlds too.

Like I just proved this with my war with Serpent today, he overwhelmingly outnumbered me by well over 100 to 1 like I predicted when the war started and he did'nt even give me a chance to fire even a single shot, is this what you call FAIR? because let me tell you, I don't think so! and if this is how the way PvP war is going to work on this game, it will NEVER thrive as I don't think i'll even bother with it anymore and just stick to C3 raiding only.

I am not AGAINST the idea of other players having huge armies, never have been. But with my idea on this page of an 'Overall defence index' of the players account, it will give everybody a much more equal chance at the start of the war, but once you've declared it, buy as many weapons and ammo as you want and build a bigger army than him during that period and throughout the course of war and not have it ALL in order to win.

I believe the GMs are missing out a lot

A little complicated wouldn't you say? Hopefully the GMs will disregard this suggestion. There is no such thing as a "fair" war in SC or real life. In both the best and often biggest win. End of story.

And to use your war as an example is a poor one because you could have avoided a beatdown by a larger and more accomplished opponent but you instigated it. You were not the victim of a bully empire - you were the bully. You would not have needed any military or defence index if you would simply have treated Serpent and other nations in a respectful manner. Even after he graciously offered you a way out you chose to go to war and he made you pay the price. That is how it works in the big boy world. Instead of worrying about how to meddle with the defence index perhaps you should learn a little diplomacy and respect for others. And another piece of advice - forget the nluo - and stop drinking their kool-aid. They left you twisting in the w

I realized that and i've told them so! Well obviously theres no such thing as "fair" in SC or in real life, and obviously you have got no idea what a bully is and you were probularly was'nt here when the war levels did'nt exist as litually the bigger players were knocking the beginner players out all the time for no reason at all, so you can say whatever you want about me being "disrespectful" and a "bully" as I see them for not having any respect for others at all for doing that, not me. Just remember this is a GAME, and a simulator too, but when it comes to war though, the rules should be EQUAL. Just like sports games are, for example..... football matches, and if you're a football fan, how would you like it if the opposition outnumbered your team 10 to 1 from the start? you would probularly call for a big change of the rules in the game. Just remember this is a GAME like any other and will not forget and give up of

how about you grow up, stop crying, rebuild, and reconquest...

James, your military is by no means your biggest defense or attack. Your diplomacy is. Learn this lesson well.

In the past I have witness MASSIVE armies, big enough to make the largest seen today look like Switzerlands, been destroyed for pissing off the wrong people, and I have seen very weak players hold their own because they had the community support.

Talk softly and carry a big stick.

I agree Crafty, diplomacy wins wars, not armed forces. Many examples: Hitler-> talked his way into a massing large acres of land without firing a shot. America vs Soviet Russia (Cold War)-> disablement of large numbers of silos and nukes. And other situations in history. So o/ to Crafty quoting Teddy Roosevelt. (I believe I'm right)

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stop drinking their kool-aid. They left you twisting in the wind cheered on by a guy in a bad hat yelling exterminate and a little blue monkey begging others to help you because he wouldn't.<!-/Quote-!>

LOL, I like Edgar, he is funny!

James the issue here is not as simple my military being bigger than yours. Remember you had a 66M pop country defending against 3-10M pop countries. Your country suffered about 1.4M deaths in that war and my country lost about 3-4K. The difference is that you do not know how to use the military you have.

You speak of a football game and being outnumbered 10:1. With a country the size of yours, you could have out gunned me EASY. But, you did not know how. Even if our countries were of equal size, unless you know how to use what you have it would be like the NY Giants playing the local elementary school team (or the Washingt

Dillonmittan i'm not crying over this at all, and those who tell others to grow up are usually those who ar'nt grown up themselves and think themselves as somebody when really they are not, and don't worry I will rebuild up and makeup of what i've lost. Anymore cheek like that telling me to grow up, I will find and destroy your country if you're on LU.

Crafty I never said mine was the biggest army, far from it, and very true in what you say there. Switzerland's army in real life is MUCH LARGER than you think, it's a hidden army you could say, every citizen there has to go through periodic service for about 5 years (I think) as soon as they leave school. Then after that they leave the service, but if they ever went to war, every citizen there would be called up since they are basically trained for war which would total to probularly about 6 to 8 million, they may only be paramilitary trained though but they've

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Crafty I never said mine was the biggest army, far from it, and very true in what you say there. Switzerland's army in real life is MUCH LARGER than you think, it's a hidden army you could say, every citizen there has to go through periodic service for about 5 years (I think) as soon as they leave school. Then after that they leave the service, but if they ever went to war, every citizen there would be called up since they are basically trained for war which would total to probularly about 6 to 8 million, they may only be paramilitary trained though but they've always been very territorial in defence throughout history.<!-/Quote-!>

Is this something new, implement by NLUO ?

Last time i checked Zurich was in CH and i was not 5 years in army, and as i know SW have only pro army but not much around 100 000 person. (we probably dont have enough gold

Just when I thought I was sticking up for people like you, but I NEVER said it was like a dictatorship but I do know there is some form of compulsory service there for most of the Swiss born, i've realized some of the things i've put here is not true as I deeply apologize for that, i'm actually glad they take great pride in their military. So go and read it on wikipedia about Switzerlands military if you don't believe me, here is the link to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland#Military

Why the hell would I make such comments if conscription was'nt true? the page is either out of date or you're lying.

Even on that page you have this

The reform "Army XXI" was adopted by popular vote in 2003, it replaced the previous model "Army 95", reducing the effectives from 400,000 to about 200,000. Of those, 120,000 are active in periodic Army training and 80,000 are non-training reserves.

Also i think 2005 or 2007 this numbers were reduced even more.


So what did you look was probably from WW1 and WW2 and in WW everyone who could hold rifle was in army.

With 18 year anyone could join army just like in any other country, but it is not true that people must go in army after school.

Isn't it true though that every Swiss person holds a side arm with X amount of ammo, just in case. And the ammo is checked periodically to make sure there isn't mis-use?

no not side arms i have 10 nukes in basement :D since we have to clear bunkers for banks and their servers, my friend have tanks :D

No serious i am older than 26. i was not in army and i never have any real weapons and most of my friend didn't have them insted of weapons we get franc's that you and your gov put in our banks :D


i only have airsoft M-4
http://www.popularairsoft.com/files/images/GP735-1L.jpg

i pay it 500$

but i don't play it much (no one want to play with me they are afraid that i will use my nukes from basement if i get pissed)

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Switzerland, Europes' most peaceful country, has no standing army. Instead, the country is defended by a militia composed of virtually all male citizens. The government issues rifles to these citizens, and the rifles are kept at their homes.<!-/Quote-!>

From "AN ARMED SOCIETY" by Stephen P. Holbrook. Barefoots world.

LOL i first time see this

Switzerland have army, Airforce and Land "Units"
Also next year (1914-2014) Airforce will celebrate 100 years.

But it is not true that all male citizens have weapons or that gov give them lol.

As i know each year you can sign for military career and i think they recruit 10-20K recruits per year.

Weapons are illegal you cannot go to store and buy weapons only police,security, or military may have weapons and only on duty.

um how would this play into federations working togethor to fight enemies..... i know my federation of small coutnries could work together and take down a large empire.... would we be able to though with what your suggesting...... also how is a normal sized country 20-30 million supposed to obtain over a 20 index and if we were under would this still cause riots even though we would have a substantial military proportional to the size of our population...... seems abit complicated but anything to bring back PvP warring.... i say we just ditch war levels and leave it at secured mode and let free players take more slaves it would be a more FUN game with war and diplomacy and intrigue..... the GM is spending lots of time it seems "Improving" the war game but there still isnt much of a war game due to war levels..... maybe they will see this logical error and after they are done with there "improvements" they will dispense with war levels

It sounds like it seriously needs updating Darcus, I suppose wikipedia is only as good as someone wrote it on there.

Jark a lot of this I suggested has been dropped now, the size of the population does'nt matter. However my federations idea could still be partially enforced, for example if you are below the 20 defence index level, the riots idea it would work something like this....

(SMALL EMPIRES)
From 1 to 5 countries- Defence Index 0-20. No riots, which would also act like my new (Peaceful Mode) idea.

From 1 to 5 countries- Defence Index 20+ (War Mode). No riots, can be attacked by other players.

(LARGE EMPIRES)
From 6+ countries- Defence Index 0-20. Riots, also the more countries you have, the more riots that will occur more frequently because of the lack of military presence across your empire. because your defence index is below 20 (Peaceful Mode) you will