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Finance Index Reporting

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Unsthable

All worlds
11 Jan 2026 19:50Link
Another issue that would be a seemingly minor or non-existent issue to many players, this is actually something that is close to becoming a true limiting factor for me personally.

Corporations all have certain cash 'limits' where, when they are holding more cash than that level, automatically make a payment of $10B to their owner. Say for example I have a Services corp that is sitting on $142B cash with the system 'cap' for corp cash set at $140B (I can't recall the exact limit right now). Next month, the Services corp will make a payment to my country of $10B regardless of any other tax/profit sharing settings that I have set, to get itself back under the cash cap.

That payment isn't applied anywhere on the Finance Index. The money is received and accounted for in the Cash Log, but does not show up in the Finance Index anywhere as income, resulting in a Finance Index score that is lower than it truly
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Andy

All worlds
12 Jan 2026 14:20Link
The financial index is not changing because countries and enterprises can change the cash level in their corporations at will. They can move cash in or out.
If the cash was a factor, they will then be able to manipulate the financial index.

Moving cash has nothing to do with profit.
Profit most times, results in higher cash.

The profit is of course a factor in the FI.

Same for countries. Moving cash around does not change the finanvial index.
higher income does.

Dividends are part of the income for a country or an enterprise.
Interest too.
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Unsthable

All worlds
12 Jan 2026 15:06Link
There may be a misunderstanding in my meaning. I'm not trying to say or imply that cash manually moved into or out of a corp should impact FI, because absolutely as you pointed out that would make if much much too easy to manipulate.

I'm talking about automatic transfer by the corporation of profits after the corp has hit its cash cap. You can only manually inject corps with cash until they have $120B. Their cash limit for most appears to be $170B, once they hit that point even at 0% profit share they will pay $10B to their owner to get back under the cash cap.

If it is an ECPC that the country has shares in, it is counted as a dividend for FI. If it is a State Owned corp, it does not count as anything for FI. That is what I'm asking to be corrected.

This isn't a suggestion to make it easier to undercut or manipulate the FI. I'm just asking for the automatic profit payment after a corp has many month
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Andy

All worlds
16 Jan 2026 18:10Link
Public corporations are separated from the countries where they reside.
They cannot exchange money with the country because it would damage or give an advantage to one shareholder and not to all.
when they make a payment, it is a dividend and all shareholder benefit.
Dividend is an income for the shareholders.
Income has an impact on the financial index.

A public corporation cannot receive cash donations.
It can issue shares to raise cash.

In state corporations the situation is very different.
the corporations are part of the country assets.
The country can decide to add cash to keep them alive.

To manage cash in these corporations, we introduced a "Max cash" number and the corporations transfer some cash to the country if the cash level is higher.

This is not a dividend. It is just moving money from one pocket to the other.
State corporations and their country owner are considered
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Unsthable

All worlds
16 Jan 2026 19:26Link
I get what you're saying to a degree, I hope you get what I'm saying to the same degree. It seems that we both want honest true accounting in the profit and loss and simply have different opinions on what can/can't be taken advantage of, which is perfectly fine and understandable. The 'problem' if you can call it that that I present is absolutely easily worked around like you said it just means a little more micromanaging. So I'm not going to push you anymore on the subject. Thank you for trying to go into extra detail in presenting your points just like I was. I honestly think that even though you didn't budge this was one of our more productive game mechanics discussions.
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Andy

All worlds
18 Jan 2026 11:15Link
I agree.
You presented clearly.
I will response in the same way and try to do it quickly.
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tuco

All worlds
20 Jan 2026 01:25Link
The game states: The financial index is a measure of how good a country's finance is. It will be high if the country's income is higher than it's expenses

Assuming following scenario: All corps in a country are owned by state.

Tax/Profit Transter

a) 75/100
b) 75/0
c) 0/100
d) 0/0

For all of the above country's finance should be the same.

As I understand Unsthable is saying it is not so for the reasons he stated.

The hypothesis is then, for example, case a) should have the highest impact on Financial Index as profits from corps are taken from them in form of tax/profit transfer. Case d) is then with the least impact because profit from corps are transfered when cash reaches a cap.

Andy wrote: To manage cash in these corporations, we introduced a "Max cash" number and the corporations transfer some cash to the country if
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Unsthable

All worlds
20 Jan 2026 04:01Link
Close to what I was trying to hit on but not entirely. I'll try to break down what I was bringing up using your tax/profit transfer benchmarks.

Assume a gross profit of 2B for corp x (state owned):
75/100 - Taxes paid by corporations (1.5B) / Profit paid by State owned corp (0.5B) / Corp profit retained (0)

75/0 - Taxes paid by corporations (1.5B) / Profit paid by State owned corp (0) / Corp profit retained (0.5B)

0/100 - Taxes paid by corporations (0) / Profit paid by State owned corp (2.0B) / Corp profit retained (0)

0/0 - Taxes paid by corporations (0) / Profit paid by State owned corp (0) / Corp profit retained (2.0B)

State owned corps can't have cash manually removed, but they can have cash added up to a total of 120B on hand. Each corp also has a limit on the amount of cash they can actuall