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Supply quality auto to 150 after changing it 5+ times

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Enac

All worlds
25 Sep 2012 07:54Link
Hi

some automated system puts my supplies quality to 150 even i set it to 120 and most of the auto stuff is disabled and settings for new corps are set at 120 quality.

what changes supplies quality (and education indexes) , even the automatic settings are off?

country is new (3 days), is there some sort of overriding settings for new players?
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Crafty

All worlds
25 Sep 2012 12:39Link
Yes, there is.

There is a two week period from starting in which the automatic system will control some parameters. Including supply quality and trade strategies. Turning them off makes no difference in these two weeks. Education health and transport are not affected, building more of the appropriate things raises those indexes.

Before you cuss it, it honestly will mostly help you as you get to understand the settings a bit. I know a lot find it frustrating, but roll with it, it's only 2 weeks, then you can screw up your country as much as you want, lol. Just kidding.
Good luck.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
25 Sep 2012 16:00Link
I still think, nevertheless, that there should be an option to turn all the nannying off!
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sbroccoli

All worlds
29 Sep 2012 00:07Link
Now that I'm over the two weeks and can actually set my tradestrategies (and keep them), I can tell that it makes a big difference.

Being allowed now to set the strategy as I wanted from the beginning suddenly turned things around.

Before, most corporations provided a deficit. Now every corporation but 4 (out of 27) provide a profit.

I really think the locked tradestrategy for new players is unfavourable. It should at least be unlockable.
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Teddy Bear

All worlds
29 Sep 2012 10:36Link
I am encountering this problem too, It keeps changing my supply and trade strategies back to default.

If it is only 2 weeks this happens for, well I started on the 13th Sept, and it's still changing them :(
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Joe Lynch

All worlds
01 Oct 2012 04:19Link
I joined Sept 14 and it still changes them back.
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Alexandru

All worlds
01 Oct 2012 13:35Link
I believe that is very annoying the thing that you can not change the price (strategy) of the stock supplies or what you buy.
If the market is dynamic I should be corrected by it. I play for several days, 35 companies and I still loose money because I buy more expensive that I sell, the system is good if you login today and return after several days.
I might keep all the products on stock and sell them in november.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
01 Oct 2012 19:47Link
Have you guys checked ALL the settings under automation? (i.e. including the individual ones for corporations)

I joined sep 12th and am free of this junk.
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Alexandru

All worlds
01 Oct 2012 23:40Link
I have only one week since I have registered so I can not say if the automation is still there. But i am eager to get rid of it.
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Andy

All worlds
02 Oct 2012 07:42Link
This parameter is fixed for two weeks to make it more probably you remain profitable.
after two weeks you can change it, but then, swinging into losses will become more probable.

make sure you know a lot before changing everything.

sbroccoli

from your advise you would think that changing it would be good.
you could change it but you didn't.
good for you. Your corporations seem to be profitable.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
02 Oct 2012 14:37Link
Not sure we understand each other Andy.

I did indeed change all the trade strategies at day 15. And it works much better now.

Basically the problem is, that the automatic trade strategy for beginners sets selling price far too low and purchasing far too high.

I can't really see how this is supposed to help anyone.
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Crafty

All worlds
02 Oct 2012 21:04Link
That's what I originally thought sbroccoli but I must tell you the nearer I set my strats to the default for beginners the better my corps did. It did take a while. And I dont use exactly what the default is but I dont reckon its that far off.

If you try to sell stuff much above market it wont sell for several months. You might think you are selling every month but do the math and see what % of the market price you are really getting. As for buying, it's good to produce high quality, so you need to buy high Q supplies, and upgrade.
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Andy

All worlds
02 Oct 2012 21:21Link
Nobody will ever buy above quality.
the products remain unsold or sell for less.
Settings above quality are bad for your corporations.
What I saw is that you kept quality at 150.
These days 170 is OK too. we may change the beginners settings to 170.
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Tarmore

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 04:19Link
Why not have one of those idiot messages pop-up saying it is strongly suggested you not change your rates untill you have more experience.

Some of us are old players come back to the game and would really like to take control ASAP
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Keto

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 07:17Link
Andy, does it not make sense for a corporation selling at Q200+, to sell all of its products when that product is in the red?
Red means there is not enough on the market to supply all corps/countries with that product. Because of that, our corps should still sell our higher Q product to help make up for the shortage.
Why should that corp be penalized because this game set certain standards for all corps to follow?
Also, why even have quality of a product when everyone is only buying a certain quality product? Make it standard that all corps produce at Q150.
This game is being run as a dictatorship, meaning we have to have our settings the way the game wants them, so the game continues as it is, to make us players spend more real $ on purchasing GCs.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 11:41Link
Oh, so you were referring to quality then?

That's right, I didn't touch it.

But I have certainly jacked up my initial pricing.

Unless I'm very mistaken on something, it's easy to tell if your pricing is too high or too low: as long as there are no products left, your pricing isn't too high.
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Crafty

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 14:43Link
Lol, maybe, but you arent getting the high price you asked for. Do the math. Product sold/(price per unit x production number) will give you a rough idea of the mark up you are getting, compare this to the mark up you asked for.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 16:25Link
I don't? Why is that?
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Crafty

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 18:16Link
Nothing sells for over the market price for that quality. Most seem to sell for 10 - 20 below what you make. I have seen FMU sell for 50+ below the quality produced.

Now, I haven't thoroughly checked out contracts, but it seems to me that by contracting you get the full market price increased by quality, so an advantage over the world market, but then, you have to find someone willing to buy on contract. Contracting to yourself would seem to be just moving the extra revenue from one entity to another.

I wish I could concentrate on checking these things out properly, but for now they are mainly suspicions I have, un-proven by math.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 18:31Link
Then I honestly don't understand what the 'trail quality by...' option is for.
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Crafty

All worlds
03 Oct 2012 18:38Link
There's nowt stopping you asking for more, but you wont get it.
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sbroccoli

All worlds
04 Oct 2012 10:23Link
This is very strange. If you're right, it essentially means that the corporations can control their own offering prices. At all?

Does not even setting a fixed price (very bulky) work??
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sbroccoli

All worlds
04 Oct 2012 14:50Link
The above should say 'can't control'.
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Tarmore

All worlds
04 Oct 2012 17:31Link
sbroccoli

'trial' quality (use to anyway) mean if you were trying to sell your goods at 10 points over their quality. If the quality of your goods went up to say from 120 to 125 then your selling price would climb the same number of points from 130 to 135. Thus keeping the same 10 point spread in my example.
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Tarmore

All worlds
04 Oct 2012 17:34Link
This can't control your prices in the first two weeks just means the new players are pretty much religated to loosing money in our corperations.

We have to sell our goods at 10 points below the average going rate. I checked most of my companies and none of them can make money monthly doing that.

I guess it's just bend over and take it for two weeks until I can make any money until then.