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Your first post was absolutely directed at me. No distinction was made at all for any reader, including me, when you went off and made countless statements and accusations.

Many of them, were simply false, including these statements:

"Has anybody tried politely requesting to CEO to release his shares because you would rather maintain control of those particular corporations"

"I question whether these 'victims' have even attempted to reach out to the CEOs in question"

I absolutely reached out and asked nicely to sell down to a minority share, not that it requires explaining to you. So open mouth and insert foot. Oh, and what did you close your opening post with?

So, don't take me for stupid. Don't pretend I started an attack on your character while you attack my intelligence. Not smart. I would consider buying more war protection if I were you.

No, as I said before those were generalized statements directed at EVERYBODY,

Unfortunately my friend Aries is technically part of EVERYBODY, but you are taking my comments way too personal. Why would you ever think my comments were directed at you specifically, unless I made that more clear, when I am constantly talking trash to everybody all the time?? because you started this thread? well if you wish I will not speak my mind on threads that you start then, OK.

Like if I had said specifically "ARIES why are you crying a river" (example), but no what I had really said was "I'm not going to cry a river like apparently EVERYBODY ELSE" (somehow directed at Aries?)

Again as I said before I just happened to speak my mind on a thread you had started, and as I said before, I already apologized for my poor choice of words in how I phrased my statements, which is merely background to my questions.

and I'm talking about a specific eco strategy I do not even take part in, but you are the one who says my countries are your new "weapons test[ing area]." A bit of an escalation in talk, is that not? By the way as somebody who's country is in "secured mode," you're not one to say "I would consider buying more war protection if I were you."

People can disagree with my perspective, but nobody has ever gone as far to threaten my nation like you just have. and yeah I know I'm not as polite/respectful as I should be, but I'm not going to repeatedly apologize for my abrasive comments in regards to what CEOs are doing, as I already did. I'm also not a generally polite person so why are you surprised today?

would you like me to send you a paper like I am in detention?

I will be more respectful in my comments on threads started by Aries
I will be more respectful in my comments on threads started by Aries
I will be more respectful in my comments on threads started by Aries
I will be more respectful in my comments on threads started by Aries
I will be . . .

hahahahah man you should relax. I met your threat by merely pointing out I'm going to start a presence on your homeworld. Then you remind me how destructive you can be, something which we all already know. I take that as thought you are implying destruction upon me. hhmmm . . . yes my forces will continue to increase the presence on your homeworld because as offensive you may perceive me to be, I will strive to be as irritating as I possibly can be to meet the challenge.

At any time you can accept my apology though, and you can consider my new presence an augment to your forces and a potential asset in the effort of maintaining peace on your homeworld, but if you do not accept my apology than I must assume you are my opponent ?? On behalf of the security of the good Simitizens of Byzentus, I will make it clear that this country is NOT a "weapon test[ing area]," but I could help you have one if that is what you desire. I think you've tested enough weapons by now that you would not benefit from one, so the choice is yours.

The 100T that this ceo has most likely been bought with gc, that or he may buy cheap corporations and then sell shares at a higher price. However that isn't the case here. If this ceo actually cared for the profitability of the corporations he has taken over he would move them to better host countries after he takes them over, yet he doesn't. He leaves them in their host country. My country has 5% hiring on those corporations he has taken over with 75% tax. A large portion of his public corporations also are in debt. He makes large losses every month.

https://sim02.simcountry.com/cgi-bin/cgi2nova?SN_ADDRESS=wwwCountry&SN_METHOD=w3graph&miTable=corphist&miKey=3185830&miColumn=vCorpMonthNetProfit

This corporation for example which is one in my dead country. Has been losing more and more each month he's been controlling it. He has no interest in fixing the problem. He makes -147.87B profit per month in his enterprise -48.41B enterprise tax. He has 1195 corporations in his enterprise. If I had this many corporations in an enterprise under my control I would be making at least 400B monthly profit or more. The majority of these corps would be in my slaves with 75% tax as well. He obviously doesn't understand or care to improve his enterprise.

Also to point out almost half of his normal private corporations are all nuclear power corps. So if you want to know how he's making any money at all it's because he is buying up his own nuclear power and selling it manually for high profit. Using those profits to buy shares of other corporations. At least, that's the only way that he could have any money at this point.

On another note. Responding to why players should care about their economy on FB. Your country's financial situation is a very very very important part of your defense. Fearless Blue is no exception. The more income your country has the larger your military force may be. Doesn't matter if you own 50T military assets or 500T. If your country can't support the military it simply wont work. That's how aries can defeat countries double or more his size. He knows how to maximize his economy while his enemies or targets don't know how to do so. Example. Say I have a country with 120 million people but I make say 400B monthly income compared to someone with a 240 million pop country that has the same income. May be twice my size but they can only deploy a defense of my size. Less actually. Since they have a larger country, more expenses. Economy is a very important part of war and defense. Not that I have much pvp experience yet. I will soon. This is just common sense things everyone who wants to defend their empire on FB should know. War players who fail to understand this aspect wont be able to defend themselves against a war/econ that understands.

My last post here, sorry Aries for stirring up your thread. Don't blame West for everything. He was responding to me more then you I believe. When it comes to my corporations I get pretty upset when people meddle in my business.

Interesting intel there Zen. Thanks for pointing out to Aries to not blame me for everything, although I'm not sure I would mind being blamed for evverryythiing . . .

I spilled my coffee, DAMN IT WEST!! My dog ran off, DAMN IT WEST!! The restaurant closed an hour early and I spent 30 minutes getting here, DAMN IT WEST!! Somebody scratched my car in the parking lot, DAMN IT WEST!! My package didn't arrive today as it should have, DAMN IT WEST!! I fell off my bike, DAMN IT WEST!!

Nooo, please keep me in your thoughts, as your belief in my demonic effects on your lives energizes me and gives me POWERRR ! !

but in regards to this Netherlands guy, that looks like a very unusual business strategy. He doesn't have any countries on any world anywhere? I suspect he may be an alt account ? ?

well as we come to know more about this character I'm beginning to understand why people are becoming irritated by what's he doing. Looks like I'm going to see Aries' misdirected wrath as a consequence hahahah.

Basically what I was saying though earlier is that I don't mind if a CEO grabs shares than I have, but perhaps I'm wrongfully expecting everybody to be seeking to maintain a decent revenue. I noticed many, although not most, CEOs sell a lot more than 24pc shares, often down to single pc points. I have on rare occasions bought a few of these corporations myself just messing around, but not to run them into the ground though, that still makes no sense to me. I don't know why anybody would do that. Maybe that's why I don't have a hate thread about me though. Why don't I have a hate thread yet??? Where's my anti-West thread ?? ?

BRNN LIVE at Forward Operating Base Kronos, Little Upsilon.

An official-like delegation from Byzentus that landed at FOB Kronos Spaceport, and brought along 300 red heifers, did visit Candinnalm with a message from Club Formerly Known as Aries Fan Club's chairman John West. Unfortunately the delegation was stopped at the border, but they did ask somewhat politely and perhaps somewhat impolitely to the border security officer to pass on their message to the mighty Aries of Candinnalm. The delegation did leave the message in the form of 3 handwritten notes and 300 red heifers with the border security officer, and returned to the spaceport at FOB Kronos, where several shuttle cargo loads of Byzentusian red wine were distributed throughout the land to the surrounding rural peoples.

BRNN reporter Sue Ridge interviewed tank commander Sgt Jack Haas that landed recently at FOB Kronos Spaceport.

Sue Ridge: Why are you here, what's going on?

Sgt Jack Haas: We are here under order from the executive office of the President.

Sue Ridge: Are you concerned about concentrating forces beside the most powerful military ever seen?

Sgt Jack Haas: No, we have commanders who have been trained Aries!

Sue Ridge: but. . .the military I'm speaking of is Aries' military...??

Sgt Jack Haas: Oh well that's a bit of an inconvenience, but our President John West can shoot a .308 while riding a horse, so I'm not really concerned. I know it's true because I saw it on TV back home.

Sue Ridge: What's that have to do with anything?

Sgt Jack Haas: Sorry I was staring at your breasts. What were you saying??

Sue Ridge: umm . . .I was saying what is the strategy here?

Sgt Jack Haas: We are gathering here because we will do whatever is necessary militarily to protect the good people of Byzentus, as well we really appreciate the drinks provided by Club Formerly Known as Aries' Fan Club.

Sue Ridge: OK, well . . .

Sgt Jack Haas: So...What are you doing later?? can I get you a drink??

Sue Ridge: Already have one, but thanks anywa-. . .*TRANSMISSION LOST*

This has been a special report from Byzenti Republic News Network

war clouds gathering?

If you say so. I have sent diplomats and gifts but Aries does not respond. Aahhh whatever, but we have to do what we have to do because, umm well we blame Aries because he trained us !!!!!!11!1 1! 1 111 !1 !1 !

Our mission in Little Upsilon is we ask that Aries retract his statement that Byzentus is a "weapons test[ing area]," or at least something that can be somehwat interpreted as though he retracts the statement.

As President of Byzenti Republic I cannot stress enough that I am. .. . a peace oriented person. We should not. . .usually. . . .destabilize regions. In fact, I am chairman of the World Peace Force. .

. . .and I am a member of security council because , security uhmm . .. .security, security, security . . . we are in danger because .. . security . . . .zzzzZZzzz. ..?? so we can have a country . . .? ? zzzzzzzZZzzz. . .

time for my presidental nap ZZzzzzZZZZZZZzZzzzzzzzz..zz.z........

*TRANSMISSION LOST*

OK, I get bored sometimes. Aries is too serious to reply to me, I know you're there !! He probably doesn't read anything I send him anyway though. If he's going to be that way fine I think I'll support Aries anyway then because he doesn't want my support, so I'll poke my stick somewhere else I guess. That's how I'll really get to you Aries I will fight your battles for you !!!! muahahah hhahah ha hah ahah ahah aha

I'll be watching the skies.People love a show u know

I'd pass you some popcorn but I don't have any Other Food Products corporations.

OK we already know Aries sort of always wins just about every time, so ummm where is Aries when you call him out?? hellooooo ? ? ?

Aries too good for the keyboard warrior??

Come on man you not going to say aannnyything???? like .. . ok,

Here you know what I'll do it for you: West, you suck.

There I did it. and I'm not even Aries. I'm going to fight your battles for you too, including comms battles, since you're not going to represent yourself. Somebody has to do it, you know.

I, on behalf of the mighty Aries, will meet you John West on the battlefield, and I will destroy you!! ! ! ! !1 !! 11! 1 !1 11 ! ! 11!1one 1one oneSHIFT

umm well,. . damn you John West, you bastard ! !

I mean . . ohh never mind. . . .

always remember that the same crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading

hahahahahahah that sentence summarizes well people everywhere

as was my intention

I'm hungry, so let's get back onto the scavenger hunt on this thread.

Interesting to read this thread.
So just for the record:

- I only buy shares on the share market. If you do not want an enterprise taking over your corporations than keep at least 50% (but you could have thought of that yourselves)
- I did not use any GC to buy cash.
- If taxes are above 40% I will request the corporation to lower them; if not I will eventually move them out after the corporation has the shape I want it to have.
-@ Aries: If you call a country stripping a CEO might thing that you are stripping it... And if you than send an ingame message for which you should have been banned: what can you expect.

But if that is what you want: bring it on.

Rhou, I don't have a country called "stripping". Who are you talking about? The message I sent you politely asked you not to purchase controlling shares in my corps. I have no idea what the heck you are talking about in my message.

What you (Rhou) and John don't understand is that the most profitable corp in the game is a truly/full public corp. Keeping an ownership share at 25%, or more, makes a public corp less profitable. Every time you find such a corp and run up your own share greater than 25%, you are making that corp worse. I repeat, YOU MAKE THAT CORP WORSE. Telling other players that it is easy to simply own 50+ percent either demonstrates that you lack this important game knowledge or are counting on the lack of this game knowledge of any reader.

Further, for a CEO to go from a minority share to a controlling share of any corp elevates that ownership to counting against that entity's enterprise tax. If an enterprise simply shops and purchases a non-controlling share in corps, it keeps a low tax profile in this regard and is able to collect more dividends without incurring a higher enterprise tax. There is no financial benefit for purchasing a controlling share unless you intend to maliciously seize control of such a corp with an intention of moving it. This is a malicious act to perform against any player that many econ players (which John isn't) would consider akin to declaring war.

the "stripping"country belonged to Zen; the ingame message might have been either. I don't recall.

I know that the quality of public corps can go up to 250 whereas the others have max 225. But I prefer to stay in control of my corporations.
And I still make sufficient money to maintain my enterprise.

And if you realy want to go to that 25%-type of ownership, at least make sure you control at least 40%-50% of the remaining shares. If not, than enterprises can take over (as you noticed).

As CEO I can only have 500 (i think) different shares so if I want to grew, I need to obtain 100% ownership.

Tax is tax: that does not change when the corporation is public.

Yes, enterprises "can" take such corps over. Just like if a country is at least war level 3, the country is able to be declared war on by another player. Not the nicest thing to do but that is the game.

Just because something is possible does not make it good form. This is a lesson John may soon learn from a more first-hand perspective. The prospect of sending a few strategic weapons to hit him and possible cause nuclear fallout to wipe a few of your corporations from the map at the same time may be too great for me to ignore. Of course, John and you could have avoided that if he were to stay below war level 3 or, more appropriately, if you folks decided to stay off the war world. Since you didn't, I am only using the means the game gave me also. Right?

John, just pretend my new strategic bases and weapon shipments to FB have nothing to do with you. It is better to keep calm before your citizens see the flash and mushroom clouds in their backyard.

Right

Aries complains about CEOs damaging corporations.

Aries threatens to destroy corporations with strategic weapons.

I like Aries.

By the way, have you not noticed I already have my rad proof suit? and if you require additional strategic weapons than you are always welcome to visit our shop at Space Station Carina! We really like mushroom clouds here at West Enterprises Worldwide Weapons Technologies and would be happy upon request to bring a demonstration to your area!! All sales are final and non-returnable.

I respect Aries' foreign policy although I will point out that it is actually Aries that should relax not me. On another note, in regards to our new base on LU: I realized after the fact that I shouldn't have positioned it so umm close to your empire, but that was merely an immediate reaction, so . . .hello neighbor !! We come in peace, which should be evident by the fact we have began the World Peace Force, which Aries empire is of course welcome to join.

A warning to all Enterprises buying my shares while I IPO. I will keep you on a list. On any world you have an empire over wl3 expect full scale military retaliation. I'm getting sick and tired of enterprises who need to buy over priced shares when they have not reached the corporation cap. For all of you who buy up shares, please understand you are hurting yourself and the original owner of the corporation. If you do decide to be a pest, please do them a favor and move the corporation out of their country.

If you move a corporation out of my country I will sell all remaining shares so that you can have full control. It makes no sense for an enterprise to buy shares unless they believe they'll be able to own 100% of that corporation, this is because the larger an enterprise the more enterprise tax they must pay. At the same time, enterprises can not take out or put in cash with public corporations. All profit transfer will go to the share holders. So the enterprise will still be losing money. This is why I don't bother buying shares unless the corporation has 100% investment fund shares.

This is something I put a vote on before. However it seems the GM don't believe we need to control everything. There has to be a way for players to FORCE a foreign public enterprise corporation out of their country raising tax and lowering welfare will not change the mind of a CEO who cares little to none about the player they bought the corporation from. You can not buy shares back because the enterprise will not sell them back. These enterprises, which are too many to name are parasites to my and many other players economic advances.

I understand that a player should own over 50% of the shares so that this doesnt happen, however it is hard when very large empires do massive ipo sessions where their investment funds cant buy the shares back as fast as they're sold.

Also, on FB in particular. There should be a rule where a player can not have an enterprise unless they have an empire on FB that is wl3 or higher. If that player loses his empire, this enterprise will be shut down within one month. I feel it is unfair for players to take advantage of Fearless Blues market without having to defend themselves. I spend hundreds of trillions SC to make sure my empire is safe while others dont spend anything.

If an enterprise really wanted to, they could buy shares of almost all of the CCPC corporations in a country than lower salary and productivity. The country wont be able to do anything about it. Since it is a public corporation and they must buy shares in order to control the corporation. They can not buy shares that arent being sold. This is taking by force. Force should always allow for retaliation. If not, it is unfair and unjust.

If you have ever bought shares of my corporations when I never asked you to. I already know who you are. Expect war when the time comes. My population is getting bored of sitting at home watching day time television. They want to go out and destroy cities.