Tried the new war game yet? (Kebir Blue)

Contrary to popular opinion, I think we can all agree that Tom really cares. You can't ask for much more.

And a damn good idea BC.

As an edit, i meant to suggest president countries use a max of 50 forts. Wasnt just c3's as i had mentioned previously.

So, I just took a C3. What was once just boring is now costly and incredibly boring.

Wow Really Joe?

I agree.

Blame Dufus

We call him Whiteboy

Vote to repeal on the public voting.

Good idea Blue and I like your idea too BC although I really don't think inactive raiding is as big of an issue as it's being made out to be.

As far as level awards, the entire point isn't just the rewards, I know it's hard to see right now with the system up to level 4, but if/when levels up to 25 are implemented it will be about a challenge, about honor and most importantly, about competition. People already compete, or at least used to (for no real reason), on war ranks which we all know are meaningless. To achieve a high war level there will be a challenge involved and accomplishing it will mean something.

Also, part of this was W3C agreeing to make sure that workers weren't constantly needed at the rate they are now so that we all aren't having to constantly take and strip c3's to fix worker issues which is quite annoying. The only reason there should be to take c3's in the future is to exp

Idiot, shut up, know your place. If you have to beg people to vote on something and are still getting barely any results, it's pretty sad.

Add something constructive or take your trolling elsewhere.

Maybe the kid thinks he is still on campus?

LMAO the Federation Forum is really jumping with all these players asking for membership!

Last time fed posted on the forum was Sept 9th. I though they would be way active thanks to Whiteboy.

I see nothing here to celebrate. Just more people wanting to leave becuase of Whiteboy... again.

You talk about credibility, like you have any? This coming from the one telling WGC we are attacking you to protect you from the likes of Wendy. LMAO oxymoron much. Pun intended.

Constructive... ok let me think.

Repeal Whiteboy's War Engine on the Public Voting Section.

%100 constructive. Maybe half the players will stay if the Gms listen.

I dunno, maybe WB wants to play this game by himself.

Mr Willard please post here when you have made the adjustments and I will try another C3. I know you are sick of hearing this but there really needs to be some small reward for taking a C3 of your own level or it needs to be made easier. There will still be reasons to take C3's other than leveling up.

I had an intresting experience last night with a level 4 C3 on WG.

First of all only 15 int wings and 8 heli wings. The garrisons were the same. Two attack and bomber wings made light work of the air d. The garrisons were not much problem either. Only 1 or 2 bomber loss per garrison.

But what was odd was that war started on May 25. In less than 5 min the air d was down, so I began hitting the cap and city garrisons. The country shared borders with Eastern Diamondback which I used to paint. Bushmaster was the primary attacking country. When I made sf to paint I went back to country and the date was May 26th. The capitol had moved and changed names from Shearing Hill to Keely and respawned as did all the cities and int wings. So I had to make another off wing to finish them off again.

Anyway the whole thing took a GRUELING 29 whole long excruciating MINUTES. Furthermore my losses were 2730 bombers only, but remember I had to take

wb, what do you do if you've got all the countries you want and the only reason to attack a c3 is for the swag? before the change, it didn't amount to much but it sure made those hot summer afternoons bearable. furthermore, i don't have any problems with my neighbors and don't want to attack any of them. since i typically sit at the top of the sand box in the standings, if the war game isn't changed to give a monetary incentive, then i'll have to just eliminate all my countries other than the main and clip coupons until my membership runs out.

Parsifal - I've noted multiple times in my posts that it was never my understanding that the c3's would have nothing in them, my understanding was that they would have approximately equal assets in them when they were taken over as what it would cost to take them efficiently. If taken ultra-efficiently, then there would be room for profit. In Tom's posts he has stated that they are looking into that as it was an unintended consequence (the c3's respawning like normal c3's once taken over).

wb, i understand. but the only reason to make that kind of trade is to expand the empire. a "little" profit with the risk involved is not worth the effort. the problem is not whether i can take the country. it's whether it makes economic sense. if i go into business or buy a stock, i don't expect to just break even or make a "little" profit. my expectation is that i will make a substantial profit. so, the risk reward ratio needs to be adequate (at least 5-1 if efficiently taken and more if ultra-efficiently taken).

that is not to say that the concept that you and others including w3 have conceived is not valid, just that the rewards need to be adequate to play the different parts of the game. i'm hoping that the tweekings will make this a solid part of the game.

I agree with Parsifal 100%. I was not trying to say the whole new concept of war levels, etc should necessarily be abandoned but was complaining about the difficulty and lack of reward when taking a C3, a C3 of your own war level to be more specific.

"that is not to say that the concept that you and others including w3 have conceived is not valid, just that the rewards need to be adequate to play the different parts of the game. i'm hoping that the tweekings will make this a solid part of the game."- Parsifal

i totally agree, i think the extra difficulty of taking c3s is fun, but their also needs to be a reward... a one time gc award for leveling up, just isn't enough.

i mean in the event that some one levels up, and ends up loosing a war against another player, if they try to take c3's to rebuild, its only cutting into the few resources the player has left, if they even have enough to take a c3 (considering what is promised for the higher c3 levels,) meaning, a player may just end up shooting themselves in the foot by leveling up

their is of course going to a be allot of judgement of what level this or that player should be... but staying a lev

There is a lot of 'if' in all of these scenarios, we can all come up with some scenario where whatever system there is will not work but that isn't necessarily productive. As far as the 'if' someone were at a high level and were wiped out, you gave the scenario in the old system that people level up to buy population, mil assets, etc and then if they get wiped out, well then at least there are cheap c3's they can start over with. But cheap c3's will not buy them more population or mil assets...it's not as if the old system was SO much more conducive to rebuilding, that player would always have little recourse but to swipe to rebuild if they hadn't already built up a large GC savings account. I get that there is a difference in the cost to take the c3 at that level, but if those costs are offset by assets in the c3 itself, then everyone is in pretty much exactly the same place as they were. This is another argument whi

Whiteboy you aren't conducive to the game. You are a spoiled punk B*TCH who cried wheeeeeeee all the way home. You need to watch how you talk to Women and everyone else on the forum. Calling someone a bitch doesn't make you cool. Maybe where you are from it does. You need to grow the F*CK up you F*cking pussy and keep the forums clean. You just f*ucked up the game for everyone else. Your changes suck, and judging by how you carry yourself on the forum, you F*cking suck too. So shut the f*ck up. You had your chance and you f*cked it up. You aren't a game maker, you are a game spoiler.

I'd expect to be banned from the forum for this, but I guess we can all play by your rule. So F*ck You Whiteboy.

I wonder who BunnyFace is???

Your Mom?

Does it Matter?

My mom dont play SC. If she did I would prolly dec war on her!

Simple question!

LOL says a lot.

I not sure how anyone can say the game has been ruined due to recent changes. Simcountry has been on its ass for a long while.Everyone has contributed to its slump, not one persons suggestions.
As i said in an earlier post, i thought the scenario played out well.

If ppl bothered to look at some of the products left in these c3's,you may just be suprised at the value.

I have lost count of the ppl that have entered chat and asked for advice.....tell a new player to have just enough weapons to lvl up and concentrate on making ur country profitable, falls on deaf ears. So e1 starts to war,decs,then finds they havent a clue. They then come back to chat, advice is still the same.

My point..we have game docs,they explain econ,weapons,how to run a country...does anyone read these things,NO.do they take advice,NO.
Yet e1 wants to complain.

When i first started i learnt econ then war.The cash u make is what makes you

wb, to the contrary, taking c3's would result in a 15-1 profit margin. without changes,which i know are coming, you can only recoup about 600-900b with an outlay of about 2t. that doesn't make sense. as to why the game is dieing, consider each round of adverse changes to the game, starting with cutting back weapons/ammo/cash in c3's, cutting back on interest to be earned from loans, cutting back on profits to countries, making ceo's at best marginally profitable, to name a few. with each of these changes the base of experienced players dropped and those remaining empires became weaker. instead of protecting newer players and giving them a hand up, we continued to see many of these players quickly take down c3's and incur staggering debt making it impossible for them to dig themselves out.

i personally dropped my two ceo;s that had consistently been in the top five for a year or so, due to the low return. it was not wort

on the other hand i haven't mentioned the other leg on this stool and that's fed wars and gang banging of smaller players. even in situations where a person/fed is the winner of a large war, it takes a toll on the members. i've seen big wars result in most of the combatants leave shortly after the war was over. it currently has resulted in wp being used by many players to protect themselves. i realize that the changes that have been made were to help stabilize the war program and make it so players wouldn't have to be on constant alert, even when they won. some of us are not as thick skinned as Wendy (he tips his hat). So, there needs to be some balance and i commend all of us who have been in the conversation and hope that we can come to an amenable resolution. i've enjoyed SC and i'd like to be a part of it for some time to come. here's hoping.