W3C - Product Shortages in Countries

Product shortages in countries create severe damage.
when the supply index declines to a level under 70 or even 60,
the population of the country is suffering and
starts leaving the country in large numbers, death rates surge.

The welfare index declines and industry output is diminished.

Product shortages are in fact nonsense.
you cannot have a negative amount of cars or vegetables or anything else.

The way to fix this is as follows:

1. when a country has a shortage, it should buy the products and fix it.
currently, this does not take place if there is a shortage of cash and we will allow this cash shortage to amount to -4T (instead of -2T now).

2. sometimes purchasing does not happen because automatic buying is turned off.

When there are shortages, automatic buying will be turned on to make sure the shortages can be eliminated.

3. when cash shortages are very severe, countries are trying to raise cash by selling products they have. This function will trigger at cash levels -f -5T. (it was -6T).

The cash that is raised in this way, is usually used to eliminate shortages.

All this will not eliminate the shortages but may contribute to gradual reductions in these shortages and make it easier for players to then
resolve the problem.

The same weird population thing with corporations firing employees in the millions is back.
My country The Death Reaper Empire was just about to get back to the stage of surplus working population again and then out of no reason fired about 2-3 million of employed once.
And it's happening across a lot of other countries on GR too.
And High Tech Executives have not been getting educated in several game month's if not as long as 1 game year or more.
It's the second time this has happened now over a fairly short time frame.
What is going on??

Probably a shortage of workers in one of the workers groups.

as you have probably seen before, when you want us to look into it, we need the name of the world, the name of the country and in this case, also
one or two names of a corporations that are firing workers.

I was able to find it as you did name the country.

There is a shortage of hightech executives.
it will get worse if you do not resolve it.

Your education priorities are too low which makes it harder to
resolve quickly.

increase the education priorities for HT executives.

So currently i'm suppose to have 1k HTE being educated every month ingame.
And i have now for several years now not gotten one of those educated at all.
No matter what priorities i change it too makes any difference at all.
I have now again, changed the priority on it, and i'm expecting no changes to happen at all.
So what ever you guy's are doing with the coding is definitely screwing with something that's causing this issue.
And this is not the first time this has happen and this issue is now getting quite common.
And this issue is for a lot of other countries.

I'm glad you found it, i'll remember that i have to add what server/world i play on too, my bad.

Thanks for finding the country and my bad for forgetting to mention what world/server.

And i have now had 0 High Tech Executives being educate for several years now.
And no matter what priority i set it does not help with the actual amount of people being educated.
This has been a common problem/issue now for quite some time now, and this is now the second time this month this issue is happening across the world/server.
I have no idea what you guy's are doing in the back ground but it's effecting people getting educated in all branches.
I'm finding countries that's suppose to educate people that they're short on and 0 people are getting educate per month when it's saying that from 1k people to over 10-20k people are getting educated in the professions and the graph's are not moving at all and the worker problems that that is causing just becomes worse and worse.
I appreciate you taking the time looking and finding my country and looking into it.
But unfortunately the education priorities are not the issue.
The issue is that not one person within that profession is getting educated at all, even though it's saying X amount is suppose to be educated per month.
In my main country it's HTE, in my second country it's Nurses, and in other countries across the server/world i play on GR it's other professions too.

I have to apologies for late answer, IRL stuff has gotten in the way.
And Sorry for double msg, the forum didn't update until i posted the second msg.

The problems your having have nothing to do with what you claim. You just don't understand how to interpret the data, and make the correct edu settings.I'm not going to make any arguments about the differing opinions on whether figuring this out is a part of the game, or should be in the documentation.

So I rarely give very specific advice, so listen carefully. If this were my country this is my analysis, and fix.

You are currently graduating 1080 a month for those HTE, that's a fact. However if you look at your numbers of employed graph you will see that it is falling. This means that your losing more HTEs than your are training. Which is why the number of unemployed is always zero. Your training 1080, but a quick check of the graphs show you still lose around 300 a month. So in reality you train 1080 while 1400 die (why death, see later).

Several reasons may account for this:

1)low education index causes a situation where you cannot educate enough workers to keep up with the demand for those workers. The demand for these workers is driven by purchasing effectivity upgrades, and how many retire each month. If your health index is low, maybe even some die every month too. You need to increase the edu priority for HTE at the expense of something you can lose. Your at around 30K HTE in the hole so you need to double the number trained at least. A worker exchange would be a very good move on your part too. Build schools as well.

2)If you look at your life expectancy numbers your at 59.8 and HTEs don't retire until 65. They are literally falling dead in their office chairs. This can also be seen in the fact that your country is ~145M but losing 50K a day. I would recommend you boost your health care system.

3)When you set your edu priorities, they should always sum up to the same number. And that number should be greater than 120. Sums between 60 and 120 reduce the effectiveness of your schools. You seem to be at 118, so fix that.

a)if your not going to do a worker exchange, then I would do an edu setting like this and adjust as needed (10 10 10 10 10 10 10 20 38 25 40 47).

b)better option is to do a worker exchange to get enough HTE and HTS to get full employment, then adjust your current priorities to 120 by adding 2 to the HTEs.

Either case you need to build more schools and hospitals.

note, your also short HTS, which is why this has been extra frustrating for you. Everytime you fix the HTE, you bump into the the HTS shortage. This probably was confusing.

Hymy1
Thank you, i'll screw around with shit and test out your suggestions.
Info like this is so hard to come by.
And yes, i for sure misunderstood the graphs.
And not being able to have alot of info easily available.

Sometimes I just like to solve a puzzle.

One correction at at least, it does look like HTE retire at 60.
And after looking at some of my slaves, it looks like your life expectancy is about right for a country that size.
And perhaps, the major problem was just that your priority total dipped below 120.

Also Andy,

It would make these settings alot more clear if you added a row for number of workers leaving the workforce. This would save us from alot of these discussions.

Hymy,

Thanks for your help.

I will look at the numbers and find out if we have the numbers leaving
the work force,
I think that computing them is quite easy.
We have also the natural death percentage for each age group.
adding them to the employment page is a great idea.

Here is a hint: (you probably figured it out already):

Each month, 1 in 60 workers in every high age workers group,
moves to the next workers group.
if you have 6000 HT engineers in the 55-60 age group,
100 of them will move each month, to the 60-65 age group.
if these workers retire at 60, then these 100 retire.

you can easily see the age they retire in each group because the next age group shows 0 workers.

I had not really thought about how you would calculate for all. The way I get the approximate numbers is from graphs available, but I need to use different ones for different situations. In the case we discussed here it was easy, but can be less obvious in others.

I think though if you take the number graduated as the first element. The total profession is a graph that must be plotted from numbers held somewhere. Just take the difference in total profession between the current month and past month and compare the change in total profession to number of graduates.

Whatever change in total profession isn't due to graduates, is the number that is helpful. It will include deaths, retirements, and probably migration/population boosts/transfers. It can be positive or negative.

hymy1
I appreciate the suggestions and the help.
I implemented several of em and i followed your suggestion on the education priorities, but unfortunately it's not helping at all.
No change at all.
I've increased the amount of hospitals and schools too, so i got 5k more hospitals than recommended and i'm on the way to get 5k more schools and high schools.
But so far no change at all.
And the HTE are not getting educate at all still and it's actually dropping amount graduated last months over a year now.
I'm now absolutely short on MLW and HLW too now due to the HTE needed.
I've also done a exchange now to test if that solves some of the issues.
Which it might solve some of it.

By the looks of it there's something weird going on, for i got the same weird education issue in both my countries.
And i'm seeing the same issue in many other countries still.
I honestly got no idea what's going on but at this point something is not happening that's suppose to happen.
I'm honestly not sure what more to try or do at this point.
I'll be seeing what happens when the month ticks over and the HTE's get employed.
Is there a way or page to be able to see the amount of people that's dying or getting killed, and how many per job/work force?
I've been going through all the pages and i'm not finding anything!?
The closest i've found is the Death rate distributed by Age.
Which my Death rate distributed by age show's o.ooo all across the board, but then the last total Death Rate show's 1.654.
I'll take a screen shot of it, to document it just in case.

If there's any more suggestions i'm all ear's!?
For this has so far been the only major issue i've had til now.
And i'm very appreciative of the help and suggestions and the time and energy that's being spent on it.
For i'm absolutely stumped.

I looked at your main country again. The edu priorities are working as expected. The worker exchanges will help. But this isn't something your going to be able to fix very quickly; it's going to take awhile. Your expecting progress too quickly.

It seems clear that Larger populations in countries demand much higher indexes in order to keep them running. My countries this size have 140 to 150 edu indexes and are still struggling. So, I'd say you are going to have to pump yours up to that level before you see any relief.

Unfortunately I was hoping what I prescribed would work better, but it just isn't. Notably your educator numbers are still falling and your going to have to divert some more edu priority to that in order to build the schools you need. So things are going to get worse before they get better.

You should probably direct all your energies to getting your edu index upto 150 or 160, so that it will be strong enough to educate these 10s of thousands of missing workers you need. Once you catch up, you may be able to let this index drop a little. But to fix things your going to need to supercharge your education. Use worker exchanges whenever you can to supplement things.

Sorry for slow response, it's been/is and going to be more hectic than what it already is here around me IRL.

Yeah, large populations are needing alot more than what they did not to long ago.
And as of a fix to this solution time frame wise.....I'm just looking for any sign's that what i'm doing and trying to do get's better or is working.
But given that that's quite hard to do or even know, then it's a bit of a guess and wait for a possible hit.
I have no idea about a time frame or what to expect at all.
So as of what to expect and of how quickly...that's not even on a table or thought at all, i got no expectations for i don't have enough experience or even any idea of where to get the experience or any hint's to even get em/it either.
So your insight and help/guiding is for me incredible valuable.

I'm increasing the amount of schools heavily and drastically.
Current goal is twice the set/shown need.

All energy currently is for the most part going towards this issue and to get it resolved.
I'm doing worker exchanges when i can when it's possible.

Thanks again for the info and the look into it.
Much appreciated.

RoronoaDroagon,

hymy1 is right and giving good advice.

I'd say that an education index of 150 is the minimum to not have shortages of trained workers. When a shortage has already developed, an education index of 200 is probably better, to help fix the problem.

When building up an education index, remember that only the lowest part of the index counts. IE you need Schools, Highschools, and Universities, if there is a shortage of one, only the lowest of the three indexes counts.

The needed number is a ratio, not a recommendation on how many you actually need. The number of each should be x1.5 the 'needed' number, to get you an education index of 150, or x2 to get you an index of 200. I'd recommend an index of 200.

Above all, this will take time. It takes 50 in game years for 100% of the workforce to move all the way from education to retirement, that means it can take upto 100 real life days for changes you make to have their full impact.

You are getting good suggestions here.

The education index in countries with high population numbers should be over 200.
I keep it at closer to 250 and the entire education system becomes
easier to manage.
sometimes you can reduce the total of all priorities below 120 because the numbers of educated professionals is growing too fast.
which is better than too slow.

When there are many unemployed in one of the groups, numbers might decline because people are moving to other professions to avoid unemployment.

HT executives and executives are the two groups where the number of people educated each month is the lowest.

low level managers and high tech engineers are educated in larger numbers.

The education index, as mentioned here by Daniel, depends on the lowest of the three partial indexes (school index, high school index and the university index). You need to increase all three.
The education index is NOT the average of the three.

As corporations upgrade each month in the first 50-60 months after they are created, they use more and more professionals and smaller numbers of workers.

It makes sense to have more professionals available as the number of unemployed can decline quickly when corporations upgrade.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
They all helped to some degree.
I just had to ramp it up alot more than what was suggested.
The country is now stable and gaining.
The priority stuff in the education i had no understanding of how worked until you guy's explained it to me.
I'm currently running double of the needed stuff on schools and hospital.
And i will be increasing it a bit more after i've gotten more corps up and running.
Thank you so much again for all help.
And Merry Christmas everyone ^^