Socialism and Urbanization (Little Upsilon)

I'm only asking about this one source because the only link available simply reiterates the town meeting; no reference to a primary data source is offered. As it fails to provide supportung data for the conclusions he draws I am unable to perform further study upon his position in regards to the topic at hand, and as such am unable to draw a complete conclusion.

There is no explicitly offered factual basis; simply implied.

Hence why I am asking you for access to any primary data source relating to what the gentleman brings up in this video.

If you do not have access to any simply say so and I will drop the point.

Lets see, I googled "Mike Ruppert Confronts John Deutch" which I simply copy & pasted from the top of the Youtube video that was posted.

With that I clicked on the first couple of links and they were the you tube video that I just left, so I backed up and clicked on the third one down:

[John Deutch - FamousWhy
Former LA Police Officer Mike Ruppert Confronts John Deutch.]

With that I saw another video titled "Gary Webb, in his own words" (thinking that may be support evidence I clicked it- lo & behold Gary seems to testify to the same thing)

So, I want to link that video here and I can't do that from 'Famous Why?' so I'll search for the same video on another client... brb

Oops, and there's a google video!

You seem to be missing the point, Solomon, in at least two ways.

Firstly, when one makes a point it is their responsibility to provide information which supports that point. Not the people to whom the point is being made.

Secondly, I'm asking for the primary information which the gentleman references in this video, not a reiteration of points he has already made.

I don't want the gentleman's opinion/comments (secondary source}. I want to see the information upon which he is basing his opinions. In short, the primary source.

If you are simply basing your opinion upon the opinions of others, that is fine. Despite what you are trying to imply I haven't yet taken a side in this discussion. I simply wish to base my own opinion upon the sources mentioned within the video - which I assume to be textual in nature from the way it i

lost me , whats this thread about again?

Latias, I suggest you find someone that will jump when you say 'jump'.

Push

Why don't you condone it
Why don't you set me free
I don't think you own it
Cause it belongs to me
And if I ever want to take it back
You try to lie and hide it
Look who laughing last

Everyone around me thinks they know
They try to see it
But I don't let it show
Stay out of my business
Keep your hands off my door
I've got a bed
I'd rather sleep on the floor
Screaming in my head
I don't like it anymore

No place to go
Leave me alone
I don't want to know

Nobody ever seems to understand
Every day I wake up
And do the best that I can
I've got my problems
You've got yours too
You try to label me
Have you ever looked at you
Nobody's perfect
I really think you do
And if you are why am I standing next to you

Solomon, it would be good if you listen to what Latias is asking of you.
Otherwise you are not arguing, or debating, or presenting any reasoned argument - you are just trumpeting your opinions without anything to back them up.
Geez it is so wearying to listen to conspiricy theorist nutters - they just DO NOT SHUT UP, they gabble on & on & after a while they arnt even funny - certainly never serious.

Thank you, Kali.

Solomon; I will assume that this means you do not have the primary source. Thank you anyway.

Oh, ok... Well then just disregard anything and everything I say in the future then please.

I obviously provide NO sources what so ever and anything I post is boring and uninformative. Oh, and wrong!

Please don't waste your time on reading what I post in the future.

Thanks for your help!

Dear me. If this is how you respond when asked for further information, I'd hate to see how you respond when somebody posts a source to the contrary.

My request was fairly simple; I wished for you to produce the information upon which the gentleman was basing his opinion, assuming you had it. I see now that assumption was erroneous.

It wasn't an attack upon your opinion, though you obviously assumed it was. For that misinterpretation I am truly sorry.

Should you at any point find yourself able to differentiate between a primary and a secondary data source source - and furthermore find yourself in possession of the former - then I would be most delighted to recieve a copy. I do so relish having facts at my disposal when I am forming an opinion.

My most gracious thanks for your time,

Latias.

No, it's not an attack on my opinion. You are correct.

What you've done is go completely off subject because you have no way to defend your position so you take us off to bitching endlessly about references as if that has ANYTHING to do with what's being talked about. JUST SO YOU CAN MAKE SOLOMON WRONG!

Pathetic!

Guess what? Anyone with more than 3 brain cells and has not been afflicted by the same mental illness as the typical liberal can plainly see this for themselves, oh and they do, believe me.


So keep up with your little game, I'm immune. I can easily just never read what you write and never respond when I find myself doing so.

Where you're screwing up is the fact that I'm just waiting for you to pull this bullshit on someone who isn't so immune to your tactics of self denial and all the subject changes and personal attacks that go with it. Yup, you're getting ju

I cannot believe you still don't get it... I stated no position. All I did was ask for elaboration. Repeatedly.

I only wish you could see yourself. The hypocrisy is incerdibly amusing.

Oh, ok, all of your positions go away because you don't state them constantly. I guess I'm beginning to understand your mania. You don't believe you take on the ideals that you champion.

Pressing the 'footnote' crap is rude and you know it.

I'm NOT going to bend over backwards for you... what don't you get about:

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Solomon Grundy (Fearless Blue)
Latias, I suggest you find someone that will jump when you say 'jump'. <!-/Quote-!>

You just seem like you're here to confuse and frustrate and I have no respect for that, as a matter of fact I have disrespect for that.

Go ahead... no really... go ahead...

Ask for more supporting evidence... or explain again how what I supplied to you is insufficient and can't possibly meet your needs and it's Solomon's job to measure up to your expectations on being spoon fed.

Better yet! Accuse me of not getting it again! (fkukkin RUDE!)

Hmm & Kali...

Kali... Kali... Kali...

Might I point out:

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Kali Rivers (Fearless Blue)
Solomon, it would be good if you listen to what Latias is asking of you.
Otherwise you are not arguing, or debating, or presenting any reasoned argument - you are just trumpeting your opinions without anything to back them up.
Geez it is so wearying to listen to conspiricy theorist nutters - they just DO NOT SHUT UP, they gabble on & on & after a while they arnt even funny - certainly never serious.<!-/Quote-!>

Like I was saying... Might I point out that, in YOUR OWN POST you are yourself guilty of what you accuse me:

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Otherwise you are not arguing, or debating, or presenting any reasoned argument - you are just trumpeting your opinions without anything to b

Solomon, how about you STFU
by all means post interesting & meaningful things, but dont go spewing on & on like a bore at a party

To think I came back to SC to hear this.
Where are Calloe Wolfs & Mannys when you want them - at least their crap was witty (sort of) & entertaining

Are you finished throwing a tantrum now Solomon?

Good.

You appear to have many issues, and I'm afraid that one post will be insufficient to address them all.

So let's keep this simple.

Firstly, looking back over our "discussion", you will note that I haven't stated an opinion upon the topic at hand. All I've done is ask you to produce primary source information regarding what this gentleman said. Information which would back up what he say as fact.

You, however, take this as a rude, offensive assault upon your point of view.

The world is indeed a very black and white place for you, isn't it. If they're not with you, they're against you. Anybody that doesn't immediately see the conspiracies that you do is obviously an inhumane monster.

But all that aside, allow me to define primary and secon

Nope, I'm not finished by a long shot.

This WILL take more than one post.

First order of business:

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Perhaps you would learn if only you could see yourself, and what the community as a whole thinks of your opinions.<!-/Quote-!>

Before I continue, I invite anyone who stands with Latias to chime in now.

Don't gang me, Kali, don't get knocked back.

Wow. Just; wow.

Of all the issues there in my post, you choose to address the one about your popularity.

I guess I should've known.

Ok, I have no interest in tearing Latias down. I have no interest in turning Plato's topic into a negative experience FOR A WEEK. (or should I say 'another'?)

I apologize Plato, you don't deserve this. I also apologize to the community as a whole, you don't deserve this either.

With the amount of people that chose to involve themselves after 24 hours opportunity I'm calling this a dead horse.

Lets get back on topic shall we?

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Plato (Little Upsilon)


I have often thought that there is a relationship between socialism and urbanization. It seems to me that the need for government grows exponentially as population density increases.

What do you all think?<!-/Quote-!>

Trying to brings things back on subject.....
in this time of people being able to post almost anything online, you can make a post and if it is repeated and sent out enough places, it takes on an air of credibility, even though there is no substantive evidence to prove it. and if you put it on u-tube and enough people are standing in the background yelling approval, it doesn't matter what the person says, it takes on a sense of truth. that's one reason why eye witnesses in the court of law are being seen as less than reliable. humans see things from the lenses of their perspective. and our perspectives are most often different.

as to the issues of socialism and urbanization the same questions arise about freedom and totalitarianism. is freedom being able to do whatever you want? i don't think so. but deciding what that line is is tricky. for one person freedom is being able to start a new business or believe in a set of val

See? We don't get to decide what that line is, as Americans.

We've had democracy shoved down our throats so often that we've come to believe in it. The truth is that we don't have democracy in America. We don't get to rally 51% of the people and start changing things. Things like freedom are(were) already established in a Constitutional Republic where even 99% of people can't deny 1% of the people the rights recognized(not established) by the republic's constitution.

Democracy = The Mob Rules