Financial Index (Wind Farms)

Question primarily for Andy as the only one who truly knows the 'under the hood' math, but others can absolutely chime in.

There is an apparent disparity in how income and expenses surrounding Wind are reported for the purpose of the Financial Index.

For the sake of illustrating the current status, I looked up information on Andy's TA country since that appears to be where the focus of his personal play is.

Andy's TA Wind Status
Wind Farms - 679
Electric Power - 182Q
Wind Turbines - 120Q
EP Market Price - 415,800
WT Market Price - 85.47M

So based on Andy's current situation, it is expected that he generates 848,750 EP per turn @ 182Q, and consumes 679 WTs per turn @ 120Q.

Actual Financial Values
Health Cost - 101,831.75M
Wind Farm Income - 642,296.66M
Wind Farm Cost - 69,640.96M

Reported Financial Index Values
Health Cost - 101,831.75M
Wind Far

Just to keep this relatively bumped for Andy's eyes, I wanted to share why I feel this is an issue that should have some sort of resolution either determining that product quality matters for both income and cost or for neither in calculating the Financial Index, by sharing my current situation.

As my current country increases its Wind Farms, more farms obviously means more EP and higher quality EP obviously means more revenue. But because of how the Financial Index is calculated, earning more money with the Wind Farms actually drives DOWN your financial index despite being a clear financial gain.

To illustrate this, I used some trading to change up my EP quality over a few months and came out with these results:

EP @329Q
Health Cost 131B
Wind Farm Income (Financial Index) 30.4B
Wind Farm Income (Actual) 100B

EP @120Q
Health Cost 76B
Wind Farm Income (Financial Index) 30.4

The quality of electric power delivered by the wind farms is not taken into account.
It was discussed in the past.

quality is not always taken into account and this is the case with electric power produced by wind farms.

The cost of maintenance of wind farms has several factors. One wind turbine is used each month but also some other materials.
the computation of the cost of wind farms is done correctly.
It is checked and rechecked many times and it is correct.

wind farms remain veery profitable.

We in fact think that the profitability is too high and unrealistic.
we do not have any current plans to correct it.

The cost of electric power in the health system is a minor factor.
the health system is using many products, among them medical materials and equipment.

Price fluctuations of electric power have a very small influence on the cost of health. It has a small effect on everything

I guess we should redefine "minor factor" since Auditor's test numbers show a 58% reduction in health care cost when he lowered the quality of the electricity produced.

131B x 0.58 = 76B


Long story short the cost of electricity in Healthcare is 86.5B / 131B at 329Q and 31.5B/76B @120Q (napkin math)

I understand the quality produced is not factored in Andy, that is sort of the point that I am trying to make. Would you be able to elaborate perhaps a little on why the true value produced isn’t factored in on the financial index when the true value consumed is? Like for all practical purposes the money comes out fine, it just isn’t reflected that way on the Financial Index. And the index matters, like in my case personally, if I wanted to start producing some corporations that require Game Level 5, I would have to actually reduce the actual income that I am generating in order to increase my Financial Index. I absolutely could do that, but frankly just saying it out loud it makes no sense at all, right? I feel like it is worth a look because the Financial Index is a significant factor in most areas of the game and the information that it provides right now is frankly false for anyone buying into the wind game

Also you ment

The cost of electric power in the health system is too high.
We have looked again into the formula computing the health system cost and found that it is indeed too high.
the cost of electric power increased over the last year and the amount should have been reduced.

we will make some corrections starting with the next upgrade.
We expect the total cost of the healthcare system to remain largely the same but the electric power share in the cost will decline.

The electric power produced by windfarms could have been sold for a price that takes quality into account.

Doing so, would give wind farms a disproportionate profit rate.
the profit of wind farms is far too high as it is.
with the higher price of electric power, it would become even much higher.

As a result, the cost of production in wind farms would have to increase to much higher levels and a wind farm would have to use 4 or 5 wind turbines each game month.

A country with 100 wind farms would need 500 wind turbines each month to maintain the wind farms.
We do not think it will be possible.
it will need 25 wind turbines corporations to maintain 100 wind farms.
with even larger numbers of wind farms, countries will end up with all their corporations producing wind turbines.

wind power is important but should not become the one factor that moves the entire economies in Simcountry.

I'm sorry I'm still not feeling like you may be getting the actual point/concern being brought up. Tell me to move on and I will, I'm just asking for a very specific issue and the responses seem to dance near it but not with it. Like that's great that you want to look at health costs again, but that actually was not the concern that was being brought up in any way.

Finance Index matters in so many areas of the game. It is a factor in Game Level. It contributes directly to the player's country performance score which has a direct relation to premium currency rewards that can be received in a month. Finance Index is a big deal. The way the Finance Index is presented currently where quality is factored into expenses but not factored in on incomes is completely deceptive.

I'm not asking for or demanding any changes to their actual costs or maintenance rates etc as you seem to indicate in your most recent response

The financial index will not change upwards if we take the quality of the EP into account.

The income of wind farms will increase.
The cost of maintaining the wind farms will increase by the same amount.

The ratio between the country income and cost will become lower and the financial index depends on that ratio.

so better leave it as it is.

as I said before, maintenance of the wind farms is already quite demanding by the need to purchase wind turbines each month.
let alone, if you will need to purchase 5 times more of them.

I think we're having a disconnect in understanding what's being presented, but that's perfectly fine I'll drop that issue.

Would you be willing to share what products (and how many of each) go into monthly Wind Farm maintenance? I've been trying to follow the Wind game closely and was only aware of the maintenance cost of 1 Wind Turbine per Farm per turn, and would love to know what the rest of the costs are.

I will do so ASAP.

Wind farms use several products for maiuntenance.

These are the products it uses on a yearly bases:

Wind Turbines 12
Electric power 450 units
Services 12000 units
HT services 18000 units
Other products 6000 units

320 workers and professionals are working at each windfarm and take care of the maintenance.

Thank you for sharing this additional information on WF maintenance.

auditor,

Deciphering what Andy is thinking can be one of the great mysteries of the game. I've talked with him for years, and I think I can safely say he usually understands the issues quite well, but will often have other thoughts he doesn't fully express. This can lead to feeling like he's ignoring what the player is saying, when in practice, he's concerned about another issue he hasn't fully explained.

Having seen this the wind farm finance index issue discussed with Andy many times, I 'think' I understand his thoughts on the matter...

1). Wind farms are far too profitable when they produce high quality electric power.

2). Since fixing this would require a major rework of the wind power system, the 'fix' Andy has relied on, is to use the Finance Index to encourage players to produce wind power at 120Q.

3). I suspect Andy intends for us to produce wind power at

Interesting. and most of it is true.

I like you thinking but some issues are different.

We have nothing with this Q120.

It is in general the base quality and it is also used in wind farms.

the BUG

no bug.

it is a decision to keep the quality of EP produced by wind farms without quality taken into account.

we could take quality into account but then wind farms would be far too profitable. you cannot let one product become 10 times more profitable than all others.

We could take quality into account but then increase maintenance cost in a way that will keep profitability where it is now.
This is easily possible but will require several wind turbines to be used in maintenance each game month.
You will need many, too many wind turbine corporations.

another possibility is to take the quality of EP into account but then make the wind farms produce 400 units of EP each game mo

I was content to let this all go after after bringing up the issue a couple times and giving specific details, but unfortunately Andy your response kind of called me out saying the entire conversation is going on driven by the hope that wind farms will produce 5 times more profit. That response actually has me feeling like you don't understand how wind farms work within your game. That is not meant as an insult in any way, but there are some key points that I think may be escaping you in regards to the wind farm system as far as how it is actually working in game. Again, not meant as an insult in any way. I'm going to try to lay out everything here as clearly as I possibly can for you in how wind is actually playing out in game because what is sounds like you fear is what is actually already happening and what you think my initial message was hoping for was some dramatic boost in my personal income earning, which it was not.

Taking the

Some context from my experience. I have many wind farms in ~30 different countries.

Windfarms are far more profitable than the finance index reports for each of my countries.

ALL electric power I generate from my wind farms is quality 330. This is happening. Now. And has been for 8 months when I started my account. Selling my power results in massively more profit than the finance index ever represents.

Making my finance index accurate will not change what I make. I am making it regardless of the "index," and changes to just the index will not impact my profits.

Andy,

auditor and Eeeee OOOooo's Math and logic is strong. Incredibly enormous unbalanced profits are already being made, they are just hidden from the financial index.

A rebalance is needed, because the true profits that wind farms create is far higher than anything else in the game. And far higher than the financial index currently displays.

Just having the finance index not take the truly excessive profits into account, doesn't fix the problem that the profits are already extreme.

I disagree. Wind farms should stay the same. If anything quality should go into effect because most of mines are 330 quality.

To reiterate for the nth time (I've lost count at this point) I am not calling for wind farm changes. I am calling for finance index incomes and expenses to reflect the actual incomes and expenses that are being earned and spent.