Aristotle on Politics (Kebir Blue)

Filed in the name of "the people", right? Otherwise you'll be the cornerstone of another corporate scam, and we'll have to rise up against your oppression of the hungering masses.

Jojo--i'm sure we'd see legislation enacted to protect us from PH's scam. lol

Actually, they would take it over and change it into business as usual all the while praising PH for her amazing accomplishment.

See here:
They are not serving the country in which they rule, this has become obvious. They have an objective. Watch what they do. They say smaller government and double it's size. They say less tax we get more. Oh and war, war, war.

What a dark time in history. A time in which nations retarded their own children... God help us.

I'm tellin ya, these are things nations don't do to themselves. It's like someone has hacked America's SC account, got in there and started jacking the education index, financial index, nationalizing corporations instead of leaving them private, jacking taxes, poisoning the population and declaring war on a bunch of countries.

Yeah, Americans wouldn't do this... We aren't like that... These aren't Americans, not like any Ameri

We are under attack. You would be wise to read and reread the following carefully
It's a speech in it's entirety it's worth the time to patiently read.

A word from the last REAL President of the United States.


John F. Kennedy

(Directly from the JFK Presidential Library website- I added '(laughter)' because I have the audio.)


The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961


Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen:

I appreciate very much your generous invitation to be here tonight.

You bear heavy responsibilities these days and an article I read some time ago reminded me of how particularly heavily the burdens of presen

so, who is the enemy/s? G20, UN, Rep/Dems, Big Business, Siros, Israel, Big Labor, Ivy League universities, Goldman Sachs, or all of the above and a few more.

Parsifal, I'm not necessarily a pacifist, but ideally, we shouldn't be involving ourselves in wars that do little to protect the security of our nation - but from an honest, long-term perspective. It's not lightly that we should send people to fight and die overseas. Whether or not most of our military actually is being used to promote business interests over security interests would be beyond the scope of my knowledge and not something I'd want to get into right now. I'll just say that I still have some faith - or at least much hope - that when the President sends troops somewhere, he working with the current and future security of American citizens and troops as the prime consideration.

As far as your last statement, I don't understand how it could be "the worst of all bondage" so the statement doesn't make me angry, just very curious on what precisely you mean - especially since it should make me angry.

Scarlet--my statement on bondage is a personal projection. to "me" living into your statement would be bondage. it's akin to being an agoraphobic who is afraid to go outside or to interact with others. For me the good life is about being relational, even when those relationships end in loss, which they all do. i've been very successful in my life and i have given myself to many and many have given themselves for me. i would not be who i am now, if it were not for those relationships. We humans are social creatures with all the frailties of our relationships. i've known numerous people who have been emotially hurt by others, who are bitter and angry and swear off relationships because of the pain they cause. They may keep a strong outer facade but inside they are hurting, angry and lost. on the other hand we have to realize that people as well as institutions are imperfect. in the face of that imperfection, it's easy to fee

Wow dude, did you read it?

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For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever h

I assume Kennedy was talking about the Soviet Union and Communism. Is that what you're talking about. In Kennedy's day things like the UN, and all other international groups were considered by some as involved in the international communist conspriracy. With the fall of the Soviet Union, there's been a shift in conspiracy theories to everything from the IMF, the G20, God, Islamic extremeists, Obama, Ivy League schools, Goldman Sachs etc.,etc.,etc. No doubt that in Kennedy's time the Soviet Union was the main adversary. Today, is seems less focused. It seems to me that there are a lot of large/powerful groups that are seeking to consolidate in themselves, more power. Help me understand better what you mean.

I went back to one of your earlier posts and it struck me that your image of the statue of the eagle as "lucifer" might be what/who you're talking about as the conspiracy. am i right? If so, that puts the conversation into a completely different realm.

You did Parsifal? I realized that he's jokes about communism which the cold war has been going on for 15 years at this point. What's changed that there is such an emergency in 1961.

No, you're missing it. He's joking about the soviet union and then says: "My topic tonight is a more sober one"

It's obvious that it's not the communists. They use armies by day. You really have to stuggle to take it like that.

This is, as I stated, about whether or not the USA is under attack. It looks to me like it is and by the same punks that JFK is talking about.

Ok... Lets get another United States President's oppinion so that we all really have to force our heads into the sand, and see if we think he's talking about Russia too.

Remember hindsight is 20/20.

President Eisenhower


I stumbled across this. I

Bottom line. Politics are weapons of subversion in many cases.

Parsifal: Is it really service to others when you do something for somebody you care about? I would consider that I'm doing myself the real service!

It's difficult to explain beyond that, but I think you'll agree that helping out a friend isn't the same thing as helping out a stranger. My answer is the reason one is completely natural and the other is not easy... also, the reason why I would do one and not the other.

SG--now we're getting somewhere.

I've been hearing about the New World Order and the Illuminati ever since my mother took me to John Birch Society meetings back in 1956. As the people who believe in this movement will tell you, the Illumnati goes back hundreds, maybe thousands of years. Even a significant number of the signers of the Declaration and Constitution were FreeMasons. Did they conform to those tenets that are attributed to the Illuminati/New World Order? They certainly had there own self interest at heart.

there is no doubt those in power pass that power on to their young (skull and bones). And there's no doubt that they network in the circles of power that you and I don't have access.
As far as their influence on world events, you can even make an argument that the war in Afganistan is going on to ensure that the heroin trade is controlled by the powerful western forces of the New World

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I have a feeling you know better than that. I would call it a result not a means. But that's more of a discussion for a private chat.


Otherwise I really enjoyed the read. You make a lot of sense and I agree.

Here is what I think about the New World Order.

I don't think it's a conspiracy. I don't think it's secret. I don't think it's organized.

I think everything that happens that appears to be a step toward the NWO is the result of misguided activists and opportunistic power-seekers. The activists sincerely promote policy that leads to an authoritarian society believing that they'll create a better world. The power-seekers are smart enough to see the trend toward authoritarianism and do what they need to do to be sure they're on top and others are beneath them.

I think drugs, nepotism, extremism, gun control, censorship, corruption, socialism, racism, elitism, corporatism, statism, etc. are what they are. They aren't tools of a vast conspiracy. They are the result of "will to power," of wealth equalization, of ALL ideologies opposed to freedom. Collectively, they are the combination of shor

Scarlet, a man who made it all the way to President of United States and walked in the same circles of power that we're discussing says the exact opposite as your first 4 sentences.

Literally. I can copy and paste him saying the exact opposite.


Sorry dude, you're cool and all but his words carry more weight.

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Wow, the more I go over what you've written the more f***ed up it gets.

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Now THAT's crazy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQv-sdMCClQ&feature=pyv&ad=5953390594&kw=alex%20jones JUST WATCH IT!!!

To Parsifal --- Not a good feeling i think... :D

Just trying to have a look ahead. Talking about taxation or whatever without having a general look about where societies are evolving to is quite senseless. Corporations and capitalism fail to interact with the growing powers of extraeconomical forces. Above all on the field of economical externalities.

Have you guys ever heard about biopolitics?

http://whatinthehell.blogsome.com/biopolitical-capitalism/

http://jdeanicite.typepad.com/i_cite/2010/03/biopolitics-as-event-commonwealth.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopower

Maybe I am OT, if someb is interested we can start a trend about

Good video Sir.

I've liked Gerald Celente since I first listened to him.

I find it interesting and a bit disturbing that the NIA is naive enough to use a pyramid image in their logo.
They should know better.

Here's a little one that pissed me off. The 1 year annivisary of 911.

It's a short clip

It's the eye of horus out of ancient Egypt. Or the all seeing eye of the mason if you believe the later deception. Goes back farther than the Pharos though, the Pharos only adopted the power derived from the service to that demon from the cultures before them.

(note the CBS logo in the lower right, almost creepy)

Scarlet-- i have difficulty judging motive. i don't think any act is totally altruistic. yes, it's probably easier to help a friend than a stranger. with strangers, we generally don't get very close to them. with friends it might be different. thanks though for the explanation.

SG/Scarlet/SSA
My problem with conspiracy theories is that in most cases they only tell you the problem and not a solution. At least NIA suggest buying gold. short of lining up all those "we" think are to blame, up against the wall and shooting them, there aren't many alternatives given. those kind of solutions are usually like moving chairs around on the deck of the Titanic. we just rearrange the players a bit. That's what's probably what's going to happen with Tea Party efforts. Historically, there are some ways of fundamentally bringing systemic change that doesn't just move chairs. Ghandi, MLK, Vietnam protestors, have used mass protest to bring change. the reason that it worked is that enough people decided not to play the game in the old manner. "i'm not going to ride your buses, or buy your products, or fight your war until you change what you're doing." "i'm going to sit in the presiden

Cold Rolling--
The authors of a couple of your cites refer to Michael Foucault. He's a bit opaque in his writing but I think I get his gist. He deals a lot with how power systems work in a civilized society. He contemplates "a dual conception of power: power over life (the administration and production of life associated with government of populations) and then another, power of life, that strives for an alternative existence." As I understand it, the first "power over life" has to do more with how those who have the power manipulate the system to control things. One way is to aggregate people into categories like, male, female, white, black, Christian, Jew, Capitalist, Socialist, etc. This immediately separates us from each other and these catagories become important in defining who we are. It's nice and tidy but while it creates order of sorts, also creates separation that impedes conversation and association.

Solomon, I'm pretty sure that he was referencing the covert actions of the KGB. Just a thought.

Cold Rolling, neat little theory. It explains a world in which society is literally an organism. If only we lived in one...