Wisconsin labor conflict (Kebir Blue)

Education does not create high-paying jobs (except for most professors and politicians that use it to get elected), but gives an individual a competitive edge to work for the man, in most circumstances. An equal opportunity for a good edcuation is more important. The government can make laws to make education available to all, but can't guarantee the quality or efficacy of educational institutions. Equally, an MBA won't guarantee a job at all.

The wars don't have anything to do with education, except that they strap a budget and force a government to prioritize. Until they are over and/or we have a sustainable economy, there should be priorities, and education isn't as high on the list. You don't need the government, its (our) money, or a school to educate yourself.

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You're arrogant, profane, close-minded, barely literate, dogmatic, and violent. All indications are that you're the bully.

@pars: it's not necessarily taxes. Even if you have ridiculously high taxes, that's no guarantee that the government will actually spend the money on anything useful. Probably just give it to corporations while cutting THEIR taxes. *cough cough AIG cough*
@border: what I meant was it ALLOWS people to at least look for high paying jobs. And the government WON'T make laws to allow education for all, because ignorance allows them to manipulate the voters easier. I know the wars don't have anything to do with education. I didn't say that the did, I was responding to someone else's comment. And you don't need public education to get educated, but it's better than not have anybody teach you.
@jojo: I mind my own business, respond with profanity when pissed, am willing to listen to other people's arguments, read at a high college level, accept something as true when it's backed up by irrefutable proof, and am violent when pushed hard and for a long time. You insulted me for no discernible reason on a political debate thread. I think that that makes you much more of a bully than I ever was.

I'm still learning. At the school of hard knocks.

The UK went the route of making education more available with equal tuition fees for all (at uni level) subsidised by other countries for foreign students and the state for nationals. To facilitate meeting the demand (the non-exclusivity) it was decided to give many colleges university status and require established universities to accept a higher percentage of less privilidged students. The result - the real value of a degree or masters has been eliminated.

My opinion? You get what you pay for. And before I get slated that doesnt mean only rich people get good educations, you have sponsorships of many sorts. I dont believe in this pinko thinking of the state giving everything equally to all, makes people lazy if they expect things to be provided.

The people get lazy, they don't get a job. And if they do get a job, then they get fired. But everybody deserves an equal chance. At times, I'm ashamed to call myself American. We have terrible health care and education, the rich control the government, press, and media in general, we have some of the worst gun laws in the world, we have a ridiculously high crime rate, an insane national debt, terrible fiscal and foreign policy, and all the while the rich keep getting tax breaks. This country is very obviously fucked up.

BBJBS: We certainly have problems in this country (and you name some good ones), but it is only from the privileged position afforded to the citizens in this country that you can call our health care, our education, our media, our government, our guns laws, our national debt, and our fiscal and foreign policies "fucked up."
In the US, a person who tests HIV + has life expectancy measured in decades; in Africa, it is measured in months. The leading cause of death for women age 15-21 in Africa is child birth. That is not on the list in this country.
People from all over the world come here for our education.
Our free media is the envy of all oppressed people. Ask a dissident in China what they would give to freely express themselves on a forum like this one.
When our military is armed with children who have not hit their teens, then we can decide how bad our gun laws are.
The "debt crisis" is more a conservative constructed problem than a true crisis. Greece has a debt crisis.
While we may not like some of the policies of our government, at least we have one that attempts to represent us. Sure, my Congressman is not the person I want there and I disagree with almost every vote he takes, but the majority of people who live in my community chose him. It is what it is. If I want a Congressman who thinks like me, maybe I need to move to San Fran so Pelosi will be mine.
Yes we have problems. Some of them big problems. But don't let those problems blind you to the problems of the world who were not lucky enough to be born here.

fabricated debt crisis. go to the following link.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

I timed how long it took for the debt to increase by one hundred thousand dollars. It took an average of two and a half seconds. The national debt increased by double my parents' combined salaries in two and a half seconds. You say that that's not serious?

I agree, things could be far, far worse. But they could be much better. You want proof? Look at Canada. Free health care available to everyone, an incredibly strict gun law (I was recently in Canada on vacation, park rangers had no guns, whereas in the U.S. each ranger truck had a shotgun and an M16), and much, MUCH lower crime rates. This tell you anything? Like, maybe, the system is fucked up and designed to represent only the rich?

Move to Canada.

/me luvs Canada.

@Billy Bob: ...and play the victim like a natural. Just pointing out my observations, and calling you out on hypocrisy. Now please don't punch me.

Jojo! Why so grumpy? You're Canadian! You get free healthcare, no crime, and everything a naive little highschooler could ever want!

Well, my thread originally started to get an opinion has turned into a free-for-all insult BBJBS-fest. So long, fuck-faces!

People get so mad when you derail their threads.

BBJBS--I didn't want to attack or insult you. I agree with many of your principles. I just think despite our short-comings, we are incredibly blessed to be born in this country, and billions upon billions around the world would change places with us any day.
Canada is a nice place that is hardly representative of most of the world. I agree though that do many things better than we do.
As far as the debt crisis, I still say it is a fabrication by Republicans, designed to force Democrats into cutting programs we have cherished since FDR. Our debt problems should be measured in decades not seconds, and solving the fiscal problems we face should not be balanced on the backs of seniors and the poor or middle class. I think you actually agree with that from reading your posts. (And notice I didn't mention your comments about the system working for the rich.)

ZentrinoRisen, dun hold back. Attack BBJBS, he likes it :-)

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It's obvious. So discourses like these only piss me off.

So who would you say is fabricating Portugal's "debt crisis"?

sardine fishermen?

There's no link to Europe's issue, but the two linger on due to ideological and political straight-jackets.

But I would answer your question with people who slept through life the past ten years and woke up because of the american-brought financial crisis. : )

Crisis? what crisis?

Do shut up the lot of you. Learn to adapt and survive, jeez.

Oh, so you Europeans get to have crises but we New Worlders only get boring recessions??? Typical European arrogance! Our debt crisis will be beat up your debt crisis any day!

Ahh my eyes! my eyes! Laguna, you should post a warning on a link like that!

Now NASA has stopped letting off billion dollar fireworks, you americans should be fine. I hear McD's are hiring, BC, gonna need a job somewhere, ;)

You want to compare the european price of energy to Americas? Your current generations have no idea what austerity is...(generalisation I know). Heh, you could pay off your debt in no time at all if you would accept a small increase in tax for a short while (so say some economists here).

Crafty'hungry, cold & broke'Cockney.

I hate modern politics. It's all about money and power. No one does anything for the people anymore. Never did, really. Imagine if kids ruled the world. The politicians are going to be dead in the future, so they just think about how to get money. Kids have to live in said future, so we would actually do something about saving it. Hopefully. We'd at least THINK about it. And probably do more than the politicians.

Nice Utopian dream BBJB.

And I mean that sincerely.