<B>W3C - The Simcountry War Game</B>

Farming c3 is now considered the war game? Not pvp?

Totally support this direction by W3C. Raiding is unrealistic. Some players that raid for hours end up with huge amounts of cash and with that huge armies compared to other players that dont have the time to raid for hours. if everyone makes the majority of their cash through economy then you will see less of a disparity between countries cash and therefore their armies.

Raiding isn't unrealistic. In the real world countries have raided other countries since the beginning of time. War protection and war levels are unrealistic.

We should remember why c3 raiding was made more profitable. To keep players happy when the war levels where introduced. That took away the bounty of raiding big fat juicy inactives.

The real prize of raiding those inactives was there pop. Cash from c3's is a poor second best.

I hear the gm say the econ will be made better but I'm sceptical

Also raiding c3s has been part of this game since the beginning. They used to have 30 mill pop or more at 1 stage.

We know what ELCapitano meant. Repeatable and predictable wars against a C3 that does not launch its own attacks is less akin to world history and has more in common with visiting an ATM. This is why this activity has earned the "fake" label.

Real rewards should be earned against real competition, not "skill" against computers and inactives.

In essence all wars on here are fake so I don't get that label.

There's 2 ways to play this game. Either raid or play the econ game for months and months and earn the cash. It's always been this way. Fact is pvps are rare, always have been. There was a period where there was a lot but in general they're rare.

Take away raiding and force people to play 1 way only is a bad idea.

I dont see anything wrong with a player that wants to

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If a player is willing to spend more time than another player, then they should be able to reap the benefits. I personally think there should be multiple ways to be successful at this game. Otherwise just make a how-to guide for us and tell us when to push which buttons and we can all be equal!!!

This game offers allot of realism however there are many unrealistic elements as well such as a very regulated economy. I'm not allowed to choose my own price when selling on the market for example. Also when declaring war, there is a very long wait period before we can launch an attack. Sneak attacks are more of a nuisance.

Raiding exists for an opportunity to invest time in the game, like Serpent's point. If we are not allowed to raid a C3 then what would be the alternative? We are not allowed to attack a C3 at all and give them eternal war protection? (which is unrealistic also as pointed out before).
If the reward seems to be too unrealistic, then let us raid and loot what cash is in there, supplies, weapons, all realistic amounts. Remember that when you conquer a C3, you don't get to keep all of the supplies, weapons or ammo left behind. It all resets to a default amount of just a few missiles and shells. R

VikingX. Andy owns the label. I trust you know the difference between warring a C3 and a player though. These changes are about encouring more pvp. I am glad you see the problem.

I have no problem with those investing more time tending to be more successful. This is as true with econ as it is for raiding. A button-mashing how-to guide fits raiding much more than econ however. The balance in income still favors raiding over econ for most players with some assets. Favoring both styles would seem to mean tilting the balance a bit more.

It was said: "Also raiding c3s has been part of this game since the beginning."

Having personally been here since the beginning, I can personally assure you this is patently false. From the beginning this was a realistic econ game that allowed for some war for realistic reasons.

Currently, it's a game comprised of a bunch of D-bags sitting around complaining about how it's not more of war game than an econ game.

Well...DUHHHHHHHH!

But you guys have nothing to worry about because the only way W3C is going to fix this game, is if they find an old server backup from the begginning and use it to overwrite this pile of dren they have now.

Good Luck,

All

-hymy-

Hey that's actually not such a bad Idea... If such backup existed it would be awesome if they made a new "retro simcountry" world.

I dare you W3C, it'll be by far the most popular world you have. I know for fact you just freed up a bunch servers. Whaddya say, I'll call off the feral mountain lions so ANDY can stop running long enough to consider it.

-hymy-

Tell us how you really feel.

Sorry, I'm angsty.

But really it's funny how in the begginning everybody was like: "those econ only players are making too much money, because they don't have military expenses, it's not fair." And W3C said "we are working towards encouraging everyone to play the war game."

Completely opposite of what it is now. Can't we pick a server backup that was from a time when it was more balanced.

-hymy-

Yes Aries I seen the GM call these wars fake. Like I said I don't get why. It's still a war. There's no risk but the c3 still defends itself. which in a way it's still fighting back.

I agree more pvp's add to the game, For sure. But I don't see how making c3 raiding less profitable will do that. Infact I see it having the opposite effect. With every asset that's been hard earned over months players are less inclined to risk them.

We seen this with war levels. Before players where more likely to risk there assets because they hadn't spent years acquiring them. They raided inactives for them. Therefore they where less attached. That's how I felt about them anyway.


James c3's have always been raided. Not in the way they are now but if you had picked up on what I said in my entire post you'd have understood where I'm coming from. C3's took the place of raiding ina

Fighting c3 countries will remain but it is not the real war game.
It will be profitable to a limit.
The economy is more profitable now and should become even more so.
The game is not about fake wars.
It is about either the economy, or real wars or both.

Everyone can read only one part and jump to conclusions.
Some of you like writing more than they like reading.

Sorry Viking, raiding has not always been a part of the game. Taking inactives was possible in the begginning, but it wasn't possible to clean them out and drop them. Good countries were tranferred to fedmates via war when someone left. The rest weren't worth taking. So no raiding has not always been the norm. Now it's the norm, and while a little is okay, the current situation is not okay.

War makes it interesting, raiding makes it boring for everyone else.

-hymy-

However, in your absence we have all be doing fine overall. Sure we all had our complaints(including me) but coming back after a length of time and start name calling is not going to make the GM jump to your wishes. We all have been here for years and we don't get a full say in anything even with a voting system, so why would the GM start taking a list of your demands? I'm fine with raiding, even with a few adjustments AND I enjoy learning more about the economic factor, as well as all of the other possibilities we could hope for. They already have a system in place that developed over time due to different circumstances, so some of these changes were understandable. So no, when we wake up in the morning we are not going to find ourselves in Folsom paradise because you just returned out of the blue.

Sorry to be adversarial for the moment but after reading a few posts it kind of warrants a response.

Khome y peng,

you kinda make me want to stay an prove a few points about what I know.

But I wouldn't hold my breath, for me this game is far to elementary even with what little development there has been over the years.

"If a player is willing to spend more time than another player, then they should be able to reap the benefits. I personally think there should be multiple ways to be successful at this game. Otherwise just make a how-to guide for us and tell us when to push which buttons and we can all be equal!!!"

Fair point.

Hymy, I feel compelled to smack you. Stop being so pompous or I will stay around and prove some points about what I know!!! SCOWL!

Well Miss Lady,

You can try, your biggest hurdle will be getting me to actually give a rats ass about what you know.

You should probably start with some archealogical digs, though.

-hymy-

Dun piss me off, James Folsom, aka Hymy! You should never piss off The Wicked Lady. Ask anyone around here!

Besides to reciprocate what you said .........why should any of us here actually give a rats ass about what YOU know, huh?

Be kind to the people here ESPECIALLY towards Andy, my adopted son and gamemaster.

You know, there is just no sense in being a veritable smart ass, Mr. Hymy. I don't like smart asses. I throw shoes at smart asses. So expect a shoe to land up side your head.

Yours truly,
The Wicked Lady

Well you clearly do give a rats ass about it, or you would have stopped posting threatening messages (or not be doing it in the first place). Frankly I hope you do get pissed off, it might finnally then occur to you how ineffectual you are.

-hymy-

All of these poor rats loosing their asses..

o jeese, sim-funny is like fine cheese, its takes care and time, for something to be funny

anyways, jan, i've made my new job work, moving across the country to make my family work... i shoulda done it sooner, if only harly davidson sales would pick up, they'd order more parts from my factory, and we'd have more work, but we still have allot of other parts to make

I guess Hymy doesn't know me or my personality. lol I guess this Hymy will have to be added to my list. I dunno why "they" dun get it. They ALL fall in the end! And to call me "ineffectual", I doubt that, love. ha ha ha ha

My warning to you still stands, Hymy. If you are disrespectful to my friends here or to Andy, you will have me on your back! Since your so-called return, you have posted nothing but negative this and negative that. :-( I never make threats, Hymy. They are promises!
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Hey Josias!!!! I'm so glad you are doing well. I think what you did was courageous and outstanding!!! I'm glad that you, the wife and kids are doing great. I'll have to let my cousins know you work on Harley parts. They are big Harley Davidson fans, have bikes! Funny cuz I've never been on a motorcycle in my life! ha ha ha Stay in touch or ELSE you will go back o