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Oh, Crafty... for the record.... I aint fat!!!

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Nothing "daft" about it, once when I was 6 I was told we went to yellow stone. Don't remember it, haven't been to a national park since. I did go to many "Federal Reservations" during my time in the Military but the only reason happened to be it was part of the job, and I did volunteer for that.

I lived for 18 years without being connected to any part of the grid except the internet and telephone.

I don't "need" it, don't even need the internet or telephone, I'd have to do something to make a living other than what I do now or at least go to work for someone else though.

This so called "grid" is a relatively new thing in many parts of the United States. Other than cities few p

Pancakes with syrup and butter, anyone?!

Crafty is spot on.

America believes that "socialism" is bad. How sad. European countries are more left-wing than the United States, and have identical personal freedoms and standards of living, if not higher, than their American counterparts. Same with Australia/NZ.

Those who believe the welfare system is for bludgers are plainly thick. Many countries (Germany, Australia, Norway) have far more extensive welfare systems than the United States and yet have higher productivity and living standards. The belief that the United States is "the greatest country in the world" is pure delusion.

This is why I hate Republicans. This is why I believe America is doomed if Romney gets elected.

Sometimes I wonder what happened to the US Education system...

Yankee, this "grid" Crafty is referring to is the electricity grid... A pretty vital service.

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Yankee, this "grid" Crafty is referring to is the electricity grid... A pretty vital service.<!-/Quote-!>

I know what he is referring to.

To industry yes, to individual residential properties, it's not vital at all.

This country would be better off to centralize power plants around industrial centers and converting or simply build housing to produce their own electricity.

Been there, done that and you do not have to give up a single thing other than wondering if your power company can keep the lights on in the winter.

And Tom, you have no idea what my living standard happens to be. Yes, I'd like a 180' ocean going yacht, but other than that, there is nothing I desire that I don't have.

I have two houses (one of which is under contract to be sold) both of which are paid for.

I have land in sever

Yankee good for you and your life style. It sounds very nice and you are obviously a very independant person.

Trouble is, not everybody, not nearly, could manage like that. People live in apartment blocks, trailers, yep, in cities. I agree wholeheartedly with you and serpent about the welfare state abuse, but in some cases it is needed. There are areas where there is no work, poverty and crime rule, people who physically or mentally cant operate outside a very closed enviroment, and many other arguements the bleeding heart liberals always bring to this debate. Some of that is also very valid.

Also, the 'grid'. You must think on a wider scale Yankee. OK, localise power generation, well that sort of is the case already, but the idea of the grid is one another can back each other up. Your CO-OPs and different utility companies all sell exactly the same type of electricity, from exactly the same place, all they do is buy and s

Why does it matter just where you live? There are always opportunities and I've found the closer you live to population centers the easier it happens to be.

Now if someone who is physically able to work has no imagination or drive, there is nothing anyone can do about that.

And you miss my point, I lived for 18 years off what you call a grid and only because people know me did they have any inclination my home was anything other than what you'd normally expect in any home. I did not burn wood, I could, was set up to do it, but I chose to spend the time I would need to obtain wood doing things which allowed me to pay for L.P. Gas. I burnt wood one winter just to make sure it worked as I intended.

Anyone that doesn't already know how to produce safe drinking water for themselves and if necessary several others is already at risk. It's harder to find water than it is to make it safe to drink.

I've not ri

Well as my original post said... I do think that SOME social programs are needed and good. My beef is with the extreme amount of abuse that happens. Actually Id be willing to venture out and say that 75% of the social programs are a waste of resources.

As to why the social programs are allowed to be so badly managed? Personally I do think that the government wants to control. And in most cases not for our benefits. But I heard a good point made several months ago, I'll share it with you. The point was that the government uses these social programs to make its citizens dependent. Heres how: When you GIVE somebody something for enough time, they begin to think its no longer a gift, but a right.

For example I own a construction company, lets say I pay my workers a fair wage. They are happy, I am happy! But my business begins to become more profitable, so, I decide to 'share the wealth' and give my employees $100 extra each week.

my friends sister who works in an ALDIs tells us a story

people who come in get soda (not that soda should be given to people on welfare water is just fine) dump it recycle it (thank God) and then buy beer....its not a problem with our welfare system its a problem with our people... and I agree with a previous statement that our big corporations need to take care of there people better that's why we have such large income dispartitys not because of lack of distribtuon....although the rich need to be taxed more you hear story's of millionaires getting taxed less then there secretary's it makes you shake your head

I think obama is useless but I hate neo conservatives and their contradictions (I consider myself conservative) also we don't need to be electing some random rich guys who don't care about the people to office...plus I heard hes a mormon (ibelievein seperation of church and state rut

Un-fat Americans? I withdraw that unnecessary slur.

Look, obviously 'wood burning and horses' was a catch all phrase for a lifestyle, a rancher, farmer, someone with land. Dont pick up on single words like that, its pedantic.

I have arguements for most what you say, you think that traffic management is just a question of plugging lights into a power supply, LOL, ok, more solar generation for individual assets, great. What about the main frames? how would you produce the solar panels with out a grid? a generator? LOL.

Everyone making there own water safe? wtf? are you expecting people to mass upon rivers or seas to collect dirty water and de-salinate it or boil it or use chemicals?

All these things and more are great and admirable, I would like to be able to do a lot of it myself, but it's just not real for the size of the populati

here in new York state you get 5 cents for a can if you recycle it might be more for a big bottle they get it dump it walk over to the place where you recycle the cans put it in get their nickles and buy beer quite inefficient but hey

So are you saying they get given the can/bottle of soda? Or you mean the picking up of discarded cans. I've seen plenty of that in south central LA. Brilliant I think when you see people at bus stops lining up cans for the next bus to crush, and they have a shopping trolley full of them. And still there are cans lying around everywhere!

they get the soda from food stamps or whatever dump out the soda and turn in the cans for money

Dude, that's messed up...

There are Aldis in da UK???? Oh I have to point something out to the UKians....... We have TJMaxx over here. I noted at Blue's over Christmas, y'all have TKMaxx. Now how weird is that?!!! You just had to be different ha ha ha ha :P

So im underweight(5'8"(With boots on(I ALWAYS have boots on))and 109-110 pounds)... I hardly ever eat fast food... Yeah do the brits Idea i wont have to pay that tax :D

Oh Lordy, Lukester, I need to fatten you up!!!! Some good southern, fattening cookin' is what you need!!! :-P

And you guys should tax gas heavier (just for Luke!).

23 MPG in a full size V8 Performance modified xD hurts but not much try again ;P

and thats playing around not driving sensable lol

That is very good milage. But then you Americans have a different gallon measure to us, cant be bothered to figure it out.

And you think 55mph is fast.

And you have no corners or bends in your roads :?

Depends on the part of the country your in. Stick on I90, your in for a boring straight drive. I don't know anybody who drives at 55.


There are welfare cheats, however they biggest cheaters of the welfare system are found on wall st. And no, I'm not occupying wall st, I have to get to work. :P