W3C - Game News Sept. 7, 2017

I did name that thread, its a good read.

Still leaves me smirking.

waste of time.

The cost of ammunition is of course included.

Luckily the subject is trivial and does not make any difference to anyone.

Weapons and ammo are bought in large quantities once in a while.
The cost is treated as capital expense not as defense cost.

The monthly use of ammunition is computed, multiplied by the market price and added to the defense cost. The reduction in value of ammo in the country is compensating the capital expense of the real purchase.

Could be in billions, depending on the number of weapons but we never compute it separately.

we compute the maintenance cost per weapon, including everything used, then multiply by the numbers of weapons and add them all up.

The use of ammo in the maintenance of special forces will increase in the next upgrade from 7.8 to 12 pieces of ammo each game year.
Countries with many such units, can expect a slight increase in the tot

"waste of time."

I am glad you are here to tackle this subject with great interest (sarcasm intended).


"The cost of ammunition is of course included. "

oh, okay. Because you say so? I feel better already. Wait. Included in what? Heeeyyy..


"Luckily the subject is trivial and does not make any difference to anyone."

Try the war game sometime, or, at least, try to consider other players. thanks..


"Weapons and ammo are bought in large quantities once in a while. "

Welcome to the 80+% I was talking about, and the GM said I wasn't giving enough players credit.


"The cost is treated as capital expense not as defense cost. "

Definition= A capital expenditure is an amount spent to acquire or improve a long-term asset such as equipment or buildings. Usually the cost is recorded in an account classified as Propert

I have seen a lot of false information here in the past years and in most cases, we decided not to intervene as it did not damage anyone.

The designers and developers of this game really know how it works while many players are guessing.

What is said here about ammunition is nonsense. There is no way to compute it. The numbers you can find do not need to add up as you miss essential data.
We have never tried to provide all the details. Simcountry is complex as it is and if anything, we will simplify, not add details.

I made the mistake to comment.

In fact, whether ammo cost is included or not, does not matter.
The total defense cost will not change because there is nothing to change. I should have let it go.

The "Truth" is not important. The perception is.
I am sure that players have their own view of the game and how things are computed.
It does not need to be the same for everyone and it

Very well Andy. For the record, I again made a suggestion not for my own benefit. I figured this out years ago. I see it difficult to fault my methods by anyone, given my success in building the largest collection of assets in the game. I can continue and have done so where so many other players identify the current state of the game as being a hard environment to do so.

The problem, at a minimum, as I see it, is that no player, that I know of, who provides for their own defense has found the tools available to them on the finance page as comprehensive in determining the true monthly costs for defense. I provided you my own accounting. That includes the monthly cost values for all products used by the military, save ammo, and monthly military salaries, and I can account for 95% of the costs displayed as "Total Defense Costs". I assume the remainder is the portion of gasoline and electric power devoted to their use that I cannot discern fro

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We are very happy with as many players as possible who have a good understanding of what happens in the game and even make a lot of effort to help others.
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Andy. this is not indented for your response.

https://www.simcountry.com/discus/messages/4969/25099.html?1442676781

AKA Orbiter, Josias of Jorvick

At the time of "Pissing Contest," I had gone through a series of arguments with Aries. Where I was trying to display my game knowledge. Honestly, I was just trying to brag, with the hope that some one would gain from what what I said. And Aries tried, (mostly successfully,) to steal my thunder.

The problem was. I really knew what I was talking about.

Is it I who is "indented" to respond?

I will admit. My finance understanding was high going into the thread, but higher still after. I started my strategy of differentiating the quality of products that influence the welfare index and are compensated by your population and products that also influence the welfare index but are, instead, a straight government consumed product. As I typically do, I shared this information with everyone shortly after and listed a number of products I recommend to purchase at low quality, such as road/train maintenance.

As far as comparing your econ, fundamentally, you wanted to poor your effort into one country and then compare it to one of mine. I was willing to concede this, as I was putting equal effort into my 10 country LU empire. I was also much more successful in generating actual assets through econ, fancy indexes aside.

Don't know what you mean about achieving some level of "

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Thank you. Your message should have ended their.

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As far as comparing your econ, fundamentally, you wanted to poor your effort into one country and then compare it to one of mine. I was willing to concede this, as I was putting equal effort into my 10 country LU empire. -Aries<!-/Quote-!>

My poor effort, was better that you. How does that make you feel?

Considering that I have a life. I have a disabled wife, and 2 autistic sons. I work 12 hour shifts in a foundry. Which is what you don't seem to get...

Aries, You are a sim-bully. I pause as I say that. Because, given the opportunity, so was I.

You are like the cyclops, back handin

Sorry, I was going for "pour", and you were going for "intended".

Yes, you have me beat in life excitement. I am the disabled one in my family. My wife is not used to either being the provider nor managing money. I effectively have a part-time job of seeking benefits that we qualify for and stringing along my creditors, until my disability comes through. Hopefully, I can trade in that job for one taking care of my health a bit better. I have had to put so much off.

Oh, and lately, I have not played a wink of this game. Have you seen my countries? I don't think I have done any in-game actions, at all, going on 9 months, maybe longer. Just check my countries and you will see. You don't have time for the game, I don't either. Oh, and these last few months, I have had to do more than usual since a foreclosure complaint was filed on my mortgage. My only move is to get more time for my disability and pray it comes t

Aww yes, you tone down. After going up one side of LG and the other. And Sam, and any one else. Don't get me wrong, I've done it myself. But these are guys you'd be better off reasoning with. I don't reason with them, because I've done the very thing you have done. Even a little worse.

Look. You are known to be on for 20 hours straight. You want to play the sympathy game. You win. But no one, healthy, will ever compete with your activity.

Listen, NO ONE HEALTHY will play the game at your level.

Now confused, but I will now nod my head and agree.

OK, earlier in this thread I mentioned my issues with the reactivation limits on transported weapons. Still no progress with that, but I have come across something else that really grinds my gears.

Why in the hell am I buying weapons just to find out they are being delivered deactivated? This rule was supposed to be on transported weapons only. I find it completely unacceptable that you would have to reactivate weapons that you purchase. As Sheepman would say, complete and utter bullshit. Fix this please.

Double post.

+1

Weapons you purchase on the market should not go into the reserves.
I will have it checked tomorrow and fix if it is wrong.

Just purchased 50 nuclear defense batteries and got them immediately.
they are active.

Please let me know what you bought and where so we can look into it.

As I see it now, weapons you purchase on the market are active.

So let me see if I have this right. The only weapons that come in active are ones purchased off the market, but not purchases from a ceo? Same money, same spending space booster, different result. This rule was implemented to cease large stockpiles from being injected into countries by shuttle transfers, not to limit cash transactions that are ALREADY limited by spending spaces.

Nope. Still total BS. Using this logic is why I have to wait ten game months to activate 4 air wings worth of weapons to take a C3 that will take me no more than five minutes to conquer. So a thirty minute max time frame it should have been has turned into a two day reactivation fest FOR ABSOLUTELY NO LEGITIMATE REASON WHATSOEVER. Please inject real logic into your rules, it is seriously lacking.

In all cases we have seen, the CEO happens to be owned by the same player.

The whole issue is to reduce the possibility of sudden increase in military power by moving in weapons that were stored in other entities or space stations.

The problem was discussed before and is quite trivial.

There are 12 game months between war declaration and the start of the war and it takes only 10 game months to reactivate everything you have in the reserves and it can be done by a single activation that continues until everything is done.

We will do everything possible to give new players, and players who did not build their armies during several years, a chance to have a more balanced fight.
This will of course include a much larger fighting capacity in such countries.
Such wars used to be trivial and the attacker did not suffer much losses. This will change. Fighting will not be trivial and losses will be large on both sides.