The end of freedom of speech. (Golden Rainbow)

"In a democratic system, hate speech is considered so serious that it is in the general interest to... draw a clear line," the court in Amsterdam said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7842344.stm

The crusades, the witch trials, the inquisition, and the invasion of the Americas were directly supported and administered by Christians and Christian institutions. Even the Holocaust was mostly organized by Christians. The word "terrorist" was created by Christians in order to describe a group of Christians.

I'm not Muslim or an expert on Islam. However, I am told that the term "jihad" is understood as an internal process. It is about as violent as maintaining a personal relationship with Jesus.

The idea of global political Islam and militant Jihad was spread by the CIA and ISI starting in the 1980s. The goal was to kill Russians in Afghanistan. Most of the pamphlets and textbooks used to educate the Mujahideen were printed on presses owned by Christians. The ideas of Political Islam have roots that go back to the mid 20th century. The suicidal missile toting mountain fanatics showed up in the 80's. The mi

See what I mean, Sam?

Rome burns, whilst Caesar and the plebs fiddle.

Let Rome burn. It lies to us as much as any other.

Pathetic sheep, what a perfect name to descirbe your last post.
Germans in general may have been christian, but Nazis? please...... they were into the occult etc hardly christain. The crusades etc all hundreds of years ago, please talk about live people please.
If you want to drag up history, the Arabs spread islam via jihad many years ago using external swords, spears, arrows etc...not much internal stuggle there.
The ottomans had a rather large empire aswell.
Enough of history, look at muslims today, 50 year old men marrying 8 year old girls in saudi arabia. This is backed by there courts. School girls being forced back into there burning school as they are not dressed properely for the street...again saudi...
The taleban killing those that would dare teach girls.
Iranians hanging gays. The torture of prisoners across the arab world.
blah blah blah I assume you get my drift.
Point being the western world has moved into the

Just to note, even if nobody probably cares, but ...

Personally I'm suspicious of those who's vocabulary (and thus state of mind?) lacks terms like:

In my opinion, I believe, Seems to me, I think, Probably or Its reasonable to assume .. etc etc

I'm also suspicious of those who set up informations so they appear to look as (scientific) facts, when in reality such informations are either opinions, misconceptions, prejudices, false or simply lies.

The way I see it, this thread has quite a few such posters and informations.

Freedoms are privileges granted to the moment you disrespect them.

"Point being the western world has moved into the 21st century. The muslim world has not. Well our version of the 21st century any way. They may like there own 21st century of religious b*&%$£$$
But I am sticking with the western version thanks.'

There's a reason the West is hated. We ain't angels sir.

We digress from the original point.

Why is calling Islam a facist religion worthy of investigation and possible jail time?

Agree or disagree the man has a right to his opinion. I am concerned at the lack of attention given this ongoing issue. If he were being investigated for insulting any other religion the outcry would be enormous. Which leads me to my second question.

What is the Leftist fascination with Islam.

Its the complete opposite of everything they believe in.

theres a young woman in Aust who could tell you about islam after being gang raped by them, reason being and these were their words "you deserve it because you are Australian".

Associated Press June 23, 2009

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In a landmark case yesterday, officials from the Dutch Ministry of Justice requested the extradition of a American citizen for comments reportedly made on an Internet game forum based in the Netherlands. The posts, made back in January, were allegedly of a highly inflammatory nature and directed at a specific religious group. An anonymous E-mail containing the remarks was sent to the Dutch authorities who promptly investigated the allegations.

"After a thorough investigation of the comments reported to us, we determined that this individual had violated our Hate Speech laws and was subject to prosecution in the Netherlands, since the criminal activity was conducted on Dutch property," said Andries Van Hangum, spokesman for the Ministry of Justice. "We, therefore, requested his arrest and extradition for trial in Dutch Courts."

Th

Who needs nipples?

Well done Farmer Bob. Well done.

U dont F@~% with God.
I say, rolling in at this time loaded with Vodka. or as I'm not to sure how I should be feeling right now

Quote 'Associated Press June 23, 2009'???????????
Yes I know......2008 or 2007 or 2006 F it. I Don't know. But does it matter???????????? No. It just seemed like it did at the time.

Anyways. If man had not have dissolved Christianity, it would be us who would not be tolerating the lords name being taken in vain.

I fear we will never get rid, or outgrow god/Gods;
We have too much faith in grammar.

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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
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This would suggest that only true anarchism is desirable. By allowing governments to set laws we are surrendering many freedoms in the name of security. Would you surrender all law to anarchism?

This quote has never really been relevant to any time or place, no matter how inspiring it may appear to the cause of "Freedom of Speech."

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253. THE FOX WHO SERVED A LION

A Lion had a Fox to attend on him, and whenever they went hunting the Fox found the prey and the Lion fell upon it and killed it, and then they divided it between them in certain proportions. But the Lion always got a very large share, and the Fox a very small one, which didn't please

wow, that second quote is the biggest bag of BS I've seen in a while. We must conform for our own safety.
It's more like we must conform for the people in charge's safety.

"It would be quite hillarious, were it not for all the innocent souls caught in the middle."

never truer. Maybe sumday they'll use paintball guns instead of real guns. I think a kid could recover from a rogue paintball.

Simplistic argument, DK. You can do much better than that.

Liberty guaranteed to citizens through rule of and protection of Law is hardly anarchy.

Old Ben's suggestion that throwing away freedoms in exchange for the promise of security was and is quite wise advice.

and whatever happened to
"we have nothing to fear but fear itself"?

now it's
"Terrorists, destruction, terrorists, Evil Scourge, Death, Destruction, Terrorism, Evil Doers, Terrorists, terrorists and so many terrorists..Everywhere...your children will die..Terrorists"

/taken from speech by GW.

FB.
His suggestion was about giving up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.'

Liberty:
'a. The condition of being free from restriction or control.
b. The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.'

There are many liberties that people sacrifice every day to ensure their tolerance and acceptance of anothers rights and powers to act, believe, or express themselves in a manner of their own choosing.
Liberties are also sacrificed in order to understand better, which in turn brings security.


I think the more secure one feels in the world around one, the less one needs to distinguish and reaffirm ones belief from anothers belief. Creating a lesser need for ones own understanding of ones own liberty and a greater need for ones understanding of others liberty.

And visa versa. The less secure you feel