Andy

Andy,

something is terribly wrong with the weapons maintenance corporations. Majority of them are having crazy big debt and closing down in hundreds..

please check:

1. conditions to close corporations. Majority of them have high value of materials, much higher than debt and still closing. Only looking into cash is wrong.
2. Profits should not be transfered to CEO or Country while corporation has debt, otherwise it will be impossible to compensate high value purchase of supplies which always uses loan, as corporations are not keeping enough of cash.
3. CEO conditions must be improved, I lost 200T in few days because if this change not counting hundreds of closed corporations. I will close my CEO account if this is not fixed, what a shame that should be.

btw - WHY I cannot log in to CEO account when it has negative cash????I could fix that when logging, there is possible to move cash from corporations etc. but game does not allow that???

below is just example of how bad the situation is... I really expect moved from W3C to fix it and possible to compensation as well

I think you are proving my point about huge enterprises.
the limit is 750.
Larger is very hard to manage.

Corporation closings happen all the time.
In this case, lack of supplies caused production to stop and after some time, when production is at zero levels, corporations close.

the numbers by the way are not huge.
it happens many times.

Huge enterprise must be managed nearly daily, cash transfers and immediate orders and you could prevent this.

on such a scale, it is easy to quickly go into negative cash and loans.

You can login and transfer money into the enterprise.
either from your account or from any other country and resolve the cash problem.

The max negative cash level is hardly ever reached.
it is the huge size of the enterprise that requires a limit of probably 150 trillions to be on the safe side.

I looked into it.

Many corporations do not have the workers they need and are at 5% production.

Many others have very high debt and a warning about pending closure.

we have just several says ago, in the last upgrade, increased the cash levels before automatic transfers and increased, significantly the amount of loans corporations can take.

this is done because of the increasing size of corporations.

I also saw that you have transferred money into the enterprise but you need to resolve the debt issue in many of the corporations.

Andy,

the size of ceo never was a problem, it used to be just fine for year. but currently situation is not managable. corporations had not been closing as money transfer from ceo helped to survive hard times.

now ceo is just losing money all the time, despite that my profit always shows 2,5-3T.

hiring is %5, because i use auto hiring option to decrease it when production is not solved or during lack or supplies. keeping 100% at all times makes no sense.

my corporations have huge stock of materials, usually up to 60 months, that reduces the need of immediate offers to be done manually.

something needs to be done, you better see how to solve this.

if this is my inability to run this big ceo, why only weapon/assets maintenance corporations are closing? something is wrong with their balance.

I think the main disbalance is in buying supplies/minimal cash levels. these maintenance corporations are using insane amounts of materials, so if regular material cost is 20b per month, buying for 15 months is 300B, while cash level is much lower. I just checked few corporations and they were fine until buying of materials then immediatly after started showing risk of closing due to high debt. after buying materials corporations got 250b loans.

cash level should be minimal as 1 year worth of cost of materials

also closing conditions should include check of value of materials, it does not make sense to close corporation when it has 500b materials and 200B debt

Publicly owned Assets maint corps do not hold enough cash and go into debt even when constantly making a profit.

Andy,

one more question, what happens to materials when corporation closes? few hundreds of my corporations were closed but I don't see increase in materials CEO has, there should have been tens of trillions worth of materials transfered to my CEO stock. what happened to them.

It's very simple what I hope for Andy.

I have had defensive weapons maintenance corps since you introduced them, they had some fluctuations but now I can barely keep them open.

I am not a new player asking silly questions.

Something is fundamentally wrong for long term functional, profitable corporations to suddenly start failing.

Something is obviously wrong when multiple long term experienced players point out a problem to you as well.

I would like a simple fix to be able to determine from the orders page which supplies are in shortage and order them to start. The current process involves back and forth between pages to determine which of multiple orders are in shortage.

Second I would like a fix for supply contracts to these corps so my common market orders work.

And third I would like discussion about eliminating the penalty for closing corporations in player controll

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Many of the corporations owned by this enterprise showed lack of workers and produce at 5%.
some closed but many more are showing warning messages about shortage of workers and might close.
they need cash transfers from the ceo and they will survive.

recent changes in maintenance corporations increased their size a bit but the main change is, a much much higher profit potential.

they are now able to increase profits by 50-70%

on top of that, shortages of materials they need (unchanged for a long time), are now less severe. They can now purchase more materials and the average production is increased a lot.
you can see the numbers on the utilization page.

the reduced shortages are causing a broader increase in production levels.
This is reducing shortages.

The increase in the size of some corporations, three rounds of increases, did hit very large enterprises harder.
Countries must find

Mndz,

We have never claimed that bankrupted, or otherwise closed corporations are preserving their assets.

There is a level of processing, aimed at the payment of loans.

the corporation closing process will try to raise cash to pay the outstanding loans, and salaries to workers. It will also try to get rid of all outstanding orders, offers and contracts.
Beyond that, it is unclear what happens.

Closing corporations are no fun.
They cause unemployment and loss of resources.

Many players, probably all, experienced closing corporations but many do now have as many corporations as the number you have lost.

It seems that you did what was needed and stopped the closures.

Hi Andy,

i don't understand why it is unclear what happens to the corporation when it closes. the process must be very clear and documented, how otherwise you would know what happens in general to fix it?

currently corporations hold materials in quantities larger than ever before so prior closing they have to sell that to reduce loans or transfer the materials to the owner of corporations.

p.s. stopping costed me 400T so I really want to understand what is going on before another injection would be needed.

Unclear is not the right term.

When a corporations closes, everything is lost. we have no idea.
except for several things I specified, we do take care of.

Corporations are very large, have many assets and it is essential to make sure they have large amounts of cash to prevent them from going under.
They were producing at 5% for some time before cash started to run out.
It is not the raw materials because at 5% production you use close to nothing.

There is always a lot of time to do so.
they take loans, then more loans, then there is a warning that there are high loans and only then they close.

They did not close all in one month but in 15-20 months.

Takes some time to find out as the corporation list is quite long and most of the problems were close to the bottom of the list.

John,

We just recently increased all cash levels in corporations and increase the loans limits before the first warning appears.

Keeping cash levels in corporations can be done with one action for all 5000+ corporations.

as I wrote above, the problem was not the raw materials. the corporations produced at 5%. many more do so, and at that level also use 5% of materials.

Cargo shuttle corporations use much more cash and you know how to keep them alive.

these corporations are half the size or less.

Johanas,

Check these corporations again.
even in this enterprise owned by Mndz.

Their profits are shooting up.
just give them what they need and their profits will be very high.

you do need to have he raw materials and the workers they need.

The profitability of all the defense related maintenance products is increased gradually over the past weeks and months and is now extreme.

I have a country with a population of 600.000.000 with many such corporations.

none of them closed or even has any loans.

they are very profitable. except for a small number trying to get to 100% hiring but they will not close any time soon.

Needing materials is the entire point.

I asked for a simple way to determine which orders are in shortage from the order page.

You wondered in fact how these corporations could fail.
I explained.

They failed for quite a long time before they closed.
They failed mainly because of shortages of workers.
You need to scroll along the entire corporations page and you quickly see where high loan warnings are showing.
There were many.

scrolling along 5500 corporations is however probably the last thing you want to do.

This happens a lot and adding cash to the corporations prevents them from failing.
Proving this point:
It stopped immediately when cash was added and profitability is increasing.

I do not think I am telling you here something you did not know yet.

The other question:
I do not understand what you mean by

"determine which orders are in shortage from the order page."

The order tab, on the corporations page, shows all outstanding orders and the last column shows shortage or oversu

I believe the original topic of this thread is that owners of the Maintenance corps are tired of babying them. We would like to be able to use the common market but then we have to keep turning off the supply line because they purchase whole units and only use a fractional unit.

The second issue is that the cost of the materials makes them go into to debt regularly. If you use 25 drones per month and have to buy hundreds of them at a time to stay open, you quickly go into debt when more than one weapon is purchased at once. On top of that the corporations keep stacking order one on top of the other and you have to keep canceling the newest ones. Then the lag time for weapons is great, over 5 years and as a result you have to either have orders that are continually on back order until they pop, or you have to immediately order, or you have to have large quantities on hand or you have to make larger purchases all at once. Finally you need a lot of

The first issue was answered.
the raw materials items are large and expensive.

we cannot increase the use to a multiply of 12 of these corporations will become 5 times larger and even harder to manage.

The corporations need cash but also earn a lot of cash.

to make life easier, the last upgrade, today, increased the cash transfer levels to 120B from 80B. (already in place) and automatic transfers out of the corporations is also at the 120B level.
The debt level of these corporations is increased twice recently and they do not bankrupt so quickly at all.

This will make it easier.
In addition, supply shortages are down.

You can of course decide not to have these corporations. There are many other types of corporations that are probably easier to have.
In the past, we advised against cargo shuttle corporations because of the cash management problem.
The maintenance corporations became la