This is going to sound terrible, but.... (Kebir Blue)

Imagine...

There's no countries. It's easy if you try.

Imagine...

Replacing all those sims. They all have to die.

- John Lenin of the United Beatles Socialist Republic

@Jo. The illusion of power

I agree it's definitely not a nice idea, but it is an idea, and I also agree that it would make politics a lot more intersting and war a lot more rampant.

While interesting politics and more war is almost always fun, if these things could be acheived without genocide, then I would support that.

You know, I thought that everybody would just outright hate that idea. I'm surprised that people seem open to it. @EC: for one thing, it's not real genocide. It's a tiny computer program. @Jo: Fuck religion. God doesn't exist. If you want proof, send me a message.

First off, I think what EC is trying to say is that genocide in the mind or on a computer is still genocide. Even if you are killing 1's and 0's, you are still willing to kill for no apparently good reason accept to gain land for your own people, which rings to the tune of many of the genocides commited in the history of the world.

Secondly, can we try not to be disrespectful of religion, of any kind? I'm a Christian personally but I don't approve of anyone making jokes or insulting anyone else's religion. So, Billy Bob, I don't agree with what you believe, but I refuse to insult and disrespect other people's legiitmate beliefs, and you should try to do the same. Thanks man.

Sorry General, I wasn't thinking. And are you saying that because I'm perfectly willing to kill off 11,000,000 parts of one giant computer program, that means that I would kill real people? There is a major difference between a real person and a computer program. Ever attacked another country in the game? You've killed, and in a way, that was a genocide. So if you've ever attacked another country, or destroyed a hospital, or not built more hospitals to increase health, then you have killed a virtual citizen. No matter what you do, there will be deaths. And what if there was a compromise: you commit an in game genocide, maybe you lose the ability to get security council aid. If you're already ineligible, maybe you become open to attacks from larger empires even if you have protection on. You commit a bunch, the security council could start a trade embargo. You see were I'm going with this.

1. I almost forgot that this was not a game for some folk.
2. The option to kill off the population of a country could be useful since this is a game. However, there would only be a very limited usefulness of this kind of thing (denying population to a conqueror).
3. Personally, I think simlanguage groups would be cool - as in require a minimum percentage (maybe 20%) to speak the "empire language" to attack from countries or to join CMs or federations (basically requiring a lingua franca among the simfolk of groups of players). Homogenous empires could have decreases immigration and rebellions while diverse empires (maybe something like fully public corps, the dominant language only has less than 25% of the population) could have increased immigration and rebellions. The education index could determine the speed at which language demographics shift to the "empire language" and the "empire language&

@Crafty...sigh. Firstly, the rules about homosexuals are from Leviticus, not Revelations - Revelations has nothing at all to do with what is right and wrong. Secondly, although some Christians may disagree, the laws that state that homosexuality is sinful are no longer relevant because of their context. The same passage that forbids homosexuality tells the Israelites to burn everything a menstruating woman touches. Why? Those two rules are *hygiene* laws for a primitive society.

And regardless of whether or not homosexuality is sinful, God repeatedly instructs us to *love* (that is, to the point of being willing to die for) everyone. Just because some Christians are douches doesn't mean all are.

No offense to you, Crafty, but please don't start such an argument with me. I've grown weary of these arguments over the years, this a forum for a game, and I don't want to start debating historical context

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@Jo: Fuck religion. God doesn't exist. If you want proof, send me a message.<!-/Quote-!>

And just where did that come from, when Jo didn't even came close to mention religion?

One's religious alignment does not automatically indicate how tolerant he is. The rest is nonsense.

Accordian, my apologies for not knowing the correct book from whence that passage came, my bad entirely, I should have researched before I posted.

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Sorry to pick you up on that one little statement, but it does kind of suggest that religious people are intolerant.<!-/Quote-!>

But please dont make it sound as if religious people (of any creed, but NO means am I singling out any one religion) are more tolerant than anyone else.

The ethics and teachings of any relgion I know of are obviously for the good of all mankind, but unforunately they clash and seem to be the cause of most, if not all, man made pain and suffering throughout history. Including genocide.

I respect your wish to not want to enter into debate here and dont wish to antagonise you further. Please - enjoy the game.

CC

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The ethics and teachings of any relgion I know of are obviously for the good of all mankind, but unforunately they clash and seem to be the cause of most, if not all, man made pain and suffering throughout history. Including genocide.<!-/Quote-!>

Here's an idea that's thrown around a lot. I don't think people give it much thought when they say it, or when they hear it.

It's actually an outrageous statement. You're smart and thoughtful, Crafty...care to back it up, or is it just throw-away rhetoric?

I hold these truths to be self-evident.

Actually the discussion on homosexuality is in Romans chapter 1 verse 26

Dead horse beaten sufficiently...moving on

Happy Easter by the way ;)

Religion is the root of most the worlds evil.

The US poke their nose into other countries beliefs and the the way they run a country.

World police my arse.

Using religion for oil..poor excuse.

Half of irans pop suddenly woke up one morning, all finding guns underneath their beds....
saying " seems like a nice day to take over the country"

No.
Who you think put the idea there and even the guns

Coming from the god fearing christians you purport to be....Bollocks

Where next? Korea?

@Crafty: Haha, rhetoric it is then.

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Hey Blue, throwing it all out in a shock and awe effort I see. I'm surrounded by your posts and can't keep up... how about the first thing: "Religion is the root of most the worlds evil."...how so?

Persuasion is only needed by your own government so you believe the crap your fed ;)

Jojo... In my part of the world for example, Catholics and Protestants have fought to the death for hundreds of years, they still are, killing and destroying and causing grief in terrible amounts.

Western governments would have us believe the 'crusades' in the middle east are over our moral (read religious) superiority. See Blues post. Talking of the crusades...11th to 13th centuries.

Even slavery, probably the worst atrocity perpetrated by mankind, has some religious roots in that it was the belief of Christian superiority over the black mans ignorance and blasphemy.

You will of course agree that it would take a doctoral thesis to scratch the surface of this subject, but my opinion is that a brief glimpse of history justifies my statement.

And your "throw away" dismissal of my opinion is symptomatic of middle Americas indoctrinated attitude to others beliefs.

Alright everybody, this is going in a very interesting direction, but instead of debating and quoting biblical rules against homosexuality, we could get back to the topic of, as scarlet so intelligently called it, simocide. I actually never thought about it as a possibility of preventing resources from falling into enemy hands. That would probably be the best use of simocide. And I gotta say, I thought that absolutely everyone would hate it. But some people seem to be kind of in favor of it. Although I doubt that even if every player in the game wanted it added in it wouldn't be. And for the record, I believe reading something about someone killing an abortionist, purely for the reason that he was doing his job. I dare you to call that tolerance, and if you can find a way to prove that it was, I'll turn off war protection and give you my country.

BBJBS - WHO are you???? lol

Now who is changing the topic JoeBob? Onto abortion now?

make up your mind

I would actually be in favour of simocide as a way to:
1) Reduce terrorist attacks in large empires.
2) Prevent resources like sims to fall into enemy hands by reducing the population all the way down to say, 10M.
3) Create demand for trains if they become a product.

Wow. I hope I'm not reading into #3 what I think I am...

Okay, it looks as though I am going to have to flex the knowledge muscles. Fuck my life.

Jojo: yes, I also find it humorous that that statement is bandied around so much without a shred of a clue as to why it's said.

EC: No, the original commandment against homosexuality is Leviticus 26. Apologies, my friend.

Blueserpent: Thank you for starting with an outrageous claim. Humorously enough, the US does not actually represent God on Earth. The funny thing is that the United States of America is a multicultural country that is far from dominated by Christianity, and that does not go to war for Christian reasons. There is no commandment to "police thy neighbour".

Crafty:
1: The fighting of the Catholics and the Protestants amounts to politics and tradition and has no spiritual or Biblical basis. The Catholics fought the Protestants to keep control over the Church - for power, because, in that day and age, the

Oh, and Happy Easter to you too, EC. May I add that I hold no grudge against anyone here for their statements - if I come across as irritated or angry, it's because I've been having debates like these for years, and I'm weary of them.

@BBJBS-For one, why would you want to execute a genocide when ethnicity, race, religious and national identity has no function in the game whatsoever? Fantastical fulfillment perhaps?