Jozi Chat, 30th of October

Nukepana, the system just as any other is dominated by those at the top. The problem is that those that aren't as in-game wealthy or powerful choose not to voice their opinion because they feel it isn't worth it just as many who do not vote in political elections for the same reason. Ultimately what those people have to realize is that they are the MAJORITY, not the minority and if they would voice their opinions, they may not be well received immediately but with numbers they would be listened to.

The problem with SC just as in real life, great/intelligent debates are easily manipulated by those who do not wish to relinquish power so those debates get hijacked by people who have no interest in rational debate but are great at creating drama which distracts.

Don't give up...if you make a point/post an opinion on the forum and you get BS attacks/manipulation, then just press on. If everyone does the same then we might actually be able accomplish something.

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I'm not a whining kind of person but if you really are fair and neutral then you shouldn't need to react defensively. Your actions will speak for themselves.<!-/Quote-!>

Yes... Indeed, they do. They are correcting you.

Evidently, I did not know who the person is, newbie or not.
I just answered as if he was a very long playing person.

by the way:
I now have between 5 and 10 mail messages, unanswered yet because I was too busy.

they sit in the inbox and will be answered.

I cannot deny that in the past, and probably now too, we do miss some of the content. It is sometimes hard to find the real content between the messages and hard words you exchange with each other. (which is part of what the forum should be).

Laguna,

How thoughtful of you to express your need to say I was being "corrected". Speaks alot about how you see things. And to see your name was specifically mentioned by Tom. Are you two working as a team? And why would you need to point out how "wrong" I am? Are you trying to take away my credibility? Seems to me like yur trying to stomp out anything I might wanna say in the future. And yes the actions are speaking for themselves. I do not take back a single thing I said and I have no regrets. I spoke my mind honestly and still havn't seen any reason to change it but I am very open and definitely want to learn. I knew before making a post it would likely lead to snide remarks and verbal attacks. That's what always happens when someone speaks their own mind. But I hope others see what I'm being put through for speaking my mind. I said one comment days ago am spending several more days fighting off verbal attacks and denial comments. I suppose I should have learned my lesson by now to keep my mouth shut and not say a word.

Speaking Generally:

If I was so dead wrong then the ones who think they know better should have asked themselves why someone would say such a thing rather than trying to make the person look bad for speaking. When I reach "expert" levels in other things in life I tend to feel generous toward someone who wants to learn and asks questions or says things. I want to help them or teach them. Ever heard of starting with someone from where they're at rather than where you want them to be? Hopefully I've brought out some things that others will note as far as the forums are concerned and how some attitudes on here are.

Wendy,

Thank you for your very nice and supportive comment. I've seen you speak your mind many times before and yes you've had to fight many battles but you've always remained your own person and that's what counts. I've always had to give you credit for being yourself in any situation that I've known of and I've enjoyed many of your posts. You are a strong person and I admire that. You are exactly right exactly how you are and I know you don't need my approval nor anybody else's for being yourself but you still have my support for being your own person.

WhiteBoy,

Thank you for your thoughtful and supportive comment. You are correct in everything you had to say. I do believe certain people involved in SC are on a power trip and refuse to admit when they are wrong and are terrified to relinquish any form of power or admit to any form of suggestion that might make them lose credibility. Most players wouldn't want to subject themselves to the combative attacks or denial comments I am directly receiving due to speaking out. I'm one of those types who get angry when I feel like the little guy is being picked on or a situation is being exploited unfairly and so I'm putting myself out there to take the heat on their behalf and hopefully they'll be inspired to speak their minds as well. You are also correct that the less in-game rich or powerful players do have to fight extra hard to be heard. Thank you for your inspirational comment about pressing on regardless of what obstacles they put in front of us. Hopefully other players will read this thread and feel inspired too.

L'etat simule, c'est moi.

Tom, Laguna, and Jozi are my puppets. Rest assured, I'll have you banned for your insolence soon.

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Nukepana, you're being corrected because you are wrong. Tell me, who are the members of this SC aristocracy, this SC conspiracy? When has there ever been an audience rapt to hear the words of someone promoting mockeries of conspiracies and ignorance with fear-mongering? The little guy needs a voice!!! Who is this fabled little guy with a valuable opinion? The econ players and incompetent war players decided the future of the war engine by being the most active and numerous speakers with the cry, "It's not fair... THEY know what they're doing! We can't compete! GMs, equalize the playing field!"

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Far from me to do something you already so well achieve.

If you cannot accept the world for what it is, that lies with you. If you cannot accept divergence, that too lies with you.

Naturally, if someone makes a joke at your expense, you are better off laughing than steaming.

Laguna, I believe the appropriate response is: "Bah, humbug!"

Laguna,

Thanks for your advice: "Naturally, if someone makes a joke at your expense, you are better off laughing than steaming."

And yes I do laugh even if the joke's at my expense.

Actually Scarlet, it was all Whiteboy's fault, who was not War incompetent, nor an econ player. The problem is there are too many followers and not enough leaders.

I pointed out the Crisis of leadership more than a year ago on the LU thread. This is exactly why we don't have strong long lasting feds or solid up and coming new feds. Even your fed IDC is restricted to You WB and one or two others, basically.

Whiteboy and ZEBA, started the screaming, the bandwagoners jumped on, and got a surprise. Let's paint it how it really is. Econ players had absolutely nothing to do with the changes to the war engine. They were the scapegoat.

Econ players had about as much to do with the last round of changes as I had to do with WB and his lady friends attacking WGC. Let's get real here.

"Econ players had absolutely nothing to do with the changes to the war engine. They were the scapegoat"

Hey Wendy, did we just find something to agree on?


Oh joy!

Maestro

Ill continue the devolution...

For Nukepapa...

When you have been around long enough we will invite you, formally of course, to this exclusive club....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UdmYInXplY

I think thats laguna with the wine glass.

When do I get to join the Super-Secret-Special-Awesome Club? I've been playing long enough, haven't I? Why am I always on the outside of everything? Seriously guys.

Scarlet fever grips SC and I still don't get an invite! The largest federation on GR two years ago, the largest federation on LU currently... I've been called the fourth Pandemic. Everyone has the itch - and I still don't get an invite!

Audacious travesty!

Hahahahahah....that's awesome Tu.....the official I'm so good I like to smell my own farts club!! Can't wait for the invite!!

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