W3C - Gold Coins in Simcountry

In the near future there will be four ways for anyone to obtain gold coins in Simcountry.

1. Purchase gold coins from Simcountry or extend your account.
2. Win Game Awards
3. Win Game Level Awards
4. Win War Level Awards

Exchanging gold coins for game money will become the domain of the game. Gold coins will be exchanged at a fixed rate.

Game Awards, Game level Awards and War Level Awards will all increase and the number of gold coins that can be won by good players will become much higher.

The gold coins market as we know it now will cease to exist.

This change will bring us back to the situation when good players used the money they earn, to build their economy, extend their empires, purchase weapons and fight wars.

Winning awards was and will become a major challenge with much higher rewards for the winners.

Andy, how do you expect me to continually make 270GC every r/l month to maintain my empires and enterprises.

And I wish to expand with another ent, so thats 300GC a r/l month. No.1 on a world would get me roughly 250GC over 6 months, and 30GC every 3 month for membership - about 50GC income r/l month then if my math is right. A shortfall of 250GC every r/l month, presuming I can win 1st place that is. The math is about the same for monthly smaller awards for 2nd or 3rd place.

Please explain how you intend to arrange the purchase of GC for SC $.

Thanks Crafty

Please read the text of the previous message.
There will be no purchasing of gold coins for Game money at all. It is not one of the four ways to get gold coins.

Players will decide how many gold coins they want to spend, how many they can earn with awards and how many to purchase. This will help them decide how many entities they want to keep active in the game.

We expect that awards 2 to 8 or so will become more significant.

My apologies Andy, but your text clearly states:

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From which I presumed there would be a way to to buy GC for game money.

Crafty, this might be your solution and you are welcome to have your choice.

Your position is that we must allow you to win enough gold coins each month to keep whatever set of empires you want.

The truth is, that you need to decide how much interest you have in the game and how much you are asble and willing to win and contribute to keep an account.

The choice is yours.
Your reaction is exactly what convinces me that management took here a great decision.

I think he wants to limit the size of empires so new player can grow and more room for new countries. New players can then make a small empire as well 2-3 slaves and make the world go round. I am sorry Crafty for your potential downsize, maybe the Gamemaster can compensate older expansive players for their downsize.

I don't believe this is right you shouldn't have to pay cash for something you worked years to get. I mean he's paying for his account why make him pay more to be able to play the game how he enjoys it? That's not gonna help new players prosper its gonna push the older ones away and then eventually the new blood you will get will see how this effects them then they to will leave.

That's -2 now.

Some players will have a chance they did not have for a long time. Awards will be larger and they will be able to fight for them, and will have a great reason to.

Some accounts will downsize. There are some long time players who have huge amounts of gold coins, including crafty and we expect them to complain a lot because they have large accounts.

without getting into too many details, it may be a year before any of these accounts will run out of gold coins even without winning any awards.
some could run for years.

Larger awards, (we had them in the past), will make great competition.

Will I still be able to trade my Nukes for Gold?

I am concerned about recent top finishers and the upcoming February winners who wont be able to complete for the higher rewards. The February finishers should not be in the dark nor penalized for accepting an award that would put them on the sideline when larger awards become available. The higher awards should be available in February and/or the lifting the blackout periods for recent winners should be considered.

The only change is the assumption that you can always exchange your game money into gold coins.

You can trade products on space stations and on the portal market as before.
nothing will change.

There is no intention to change anything.

Instead of automatically trading the surplus of your country into gold coins, you will be able to use the surplus in other ways.

Some may be economic, war or you could develop assets and sell them for gold coins:

1. Develop countries and sell them
2. Make nukes or other weapons and trade them.
3. Same with any other product.

That part of Simcountry will be extended.

In addition, the mission game which is coming closer, will have mission that will deliver both gold coins, and other assets that will help in many ways.

What about the winners of awards in the previous month?

The awards will start increasing in March. The main change will be in having larger awards in the slots following the number one winner.

More details will be published in march, also some numbers on awards for mainly the higher game levels and war levels.

We would like to make an effort to get the higher monthly awards distributed among more players.

I did mention recent award winners as my concern and asked about blackout periods which would include them. Is there an answer available for this?

Andy so you're saying I won't be able to exchange my game money for gold coins with other players anymore? how do you expect me to get a load of gold coins all at once?

I would have thought implementing a SC$ money limit and gold coins limit per account would have done the trick.

I have an enterprise and a country to sell as well and with this new update thats coming, I might not even be able to give them away as the players won't want to pay extra upkeep in gold coins for them once they buy my enterprise and country. This is bad for business.

If this is the case then, I hope you'll implement some other ways of how to earn some gold coins than the 4 options you mentioned. How about earning 10 gold coins every time I win a war against a C3 country for example? as this would the war game side of it alive. Or is that part of option 4?

The awards system will stay the same only numbers will start to increase.
there is no reason to make changes to the past or make it more complex.

Awards went up in the past and down too. It is part of the game.

Edited - Nvm

Andy, I beg you or any other GM to read my post to the end before answering, thanking you in anticipation.
I understand why you dont want people to trade GCs if there are more GCs distributed from Game Levels and so on.
I understand WC3 is an Corporation that wants to make money, nothing bad about that, thats what managing a Corp is all about as we know and I see there is a problem if you can make accounts for gaining GCs through Game Level Awards and then trading it for SC$ and closing the account while making a Net-Profit on the GC side.
But why not implementing a possiblity that the players can only trade GCs they bought and not those that are awarded?
You could give players an option to instead of buying 90 GCs directly to an account that they can buy something like an 'Asset-Package' that they can trade with other players and which can be exchanged into 90 GCs at any time. Would be like the asset trading between players we had some time ago but instead of letting the player produce that Asset-Package, it would be only buyable from the game but tradeable for SC$.
This way Players cant trade awarded GCs, just as you want it with the new update, also it would sustain the ability for players to gain GCs with good gameplay, as the players want afaik.

Would that be a good reasonable compromise with which WC3 could be happy and maybe more important would also keep the players happy?
If you're not sure about if players would like it or not you could put it up for vote.

If someone of the other players (new and old) read this please tell if you like it or not

Another question. The goal of the higher awards is to increase competition. Will the implementation of this push many worlds to or past the 30 GC threshold that puts those players out of awards contention in following months?

Four worlds, all but fearless blue, currently award less than 30 GCs for a finish less then 1st. Assuming worlds pass the 30 GCs and 2nd-8th place finishers on each world receive this, 28 players could be subject to the four month blackout period every month.

If the awards levels are simply changed and the blackout criteria isn't, this will decrease competition and the awards will change to a "next one up" system.

Borg,

There is no problem of gaining gold coins from awards and using them in whatever way in the game.

We also do not want to have two types of gold coins and make it complex.

We do want players to make an effort to get gold coins. Reach high scores, win high game levels or war levels etc.

We might add more war and game levels and extend the numbers of gold coins won each month.

Game money won each day in your countries and enterprises should be used to improve your position in the game and increase your chance of winning awards.
It should not be used to purchase gold coins. Just too simple.

We do not know if people will purchase more or less gold coins from simcountry but they will certainly look deeper into what can be done with the money they have and play the game more.

We will publish details later.

There will be more awards and higher ones.
More players will be able to reach them.

To prevent big empires and some rich players from taking all the largest awards each month a new system will be implemented.

A score penalty will depend on what you won and that penaly will wear off in time. There will be some additional factors. Depending on how excellent you are, you could reach a high score despite a penalty.

A score page will show components of the score, including the penalty and the results of your efforts will be easier to track.

We do not accept the logic of some veterans who own huge numbers of gold coins and want to preserve these and never make a real effort to win a competition.

We agree that it will become harder for some very large accounts to win everything they need but there is no need for that to happen.

There is no need for anyone to be able, nearly effortless to keep a huge account with a major foot print on all our servers.

Some of these accounts make 5T per real day. This is equivalent to 125 gold coins per day or 3750 per real month. There are larger ones.
many make more than 1T per day or the equivalen of 750 GC per real month.

Why would you make an effort to win an award?

The challenge is long gone.

There is now a huge gap between the haves and the have nots. The gap will not be closed but everyone will be playing again if they want to gain gold coins.

Andy

Why did you delete my post?

I didnt say or do anything wrong if i did can you please state and show what i did? i was only asking a Question

We are here to explain what the plan is and how this change will be implemented.

This is not a discussion about a design of anything in the game.

Please ask questions if you have some, about how this is going to work but we are not interested in any text that might suggest that it is an open issue for discussion.

We have announced this change and will be available to answer questions and provide as many details as are known at this time.

more details will become available later.

The feature will be implemented later in March.

So becuase i was stating a suggestion my opinion?

Infact i believe i was discussing the topic at hand.