Hillary for Prison.

So is she going to wear an orange jumpsuit or do they still have stripes?

Together with trump?

You have to commit and crime and be convicted to go to prison. As much as trump thinks he has all the power in the world, we still (at least for now) have a system of laws that govern us.

Trump is real when he talks about making America great again, but the big changes to USA may not come from him alone...

Yes, there is more to government than the presidency. Where I live the ballot had 17 propositions for the state, 12 propositions for the city, and 2 propositions for the county, plus candidates. The political ads I got in the mail together weighed about 3 lbs. The many people involved in policymaking were offering lots of choices. Voting took a lot of work.

Yes, she has to be convicted through our legal process. However, the 45th president will not be protecting her from the legal process like the 44th was.

And what about the 45th president? Shouldn't he be convicted for his crimes?

My facebook feed has enough of this shit. I can't handle here too. lol

LOL, Zentrino I didn't start this thread. Yeah, if he commits some, he should be charged. No one should be above the law.

Unless he changes the law

Trump isn't a criminal. Hillary is. His "big trial" is a civil matter not criminal.

And food for thought. Martha Stewart is a convicted felon because she lied to the FBI once.

Hillary lied 39 times that the FBI evidence listed.

Either we are a nation of laws or we aren't.

Pretty cut and dried IMO.

I have been curious how this plays out. I see four potential scenarios.

1. Obama pardons Hillary.

-I think this may be the most likely. The need to acknowledge that what she did was criminal is great. It is important that our nation's leaders keep certain information secret. A dangerous precedent is set if Hillary's missteps in this regard are simply ignored by the justice department. The statute is clear that careless handling of such information is criminal and does not require the burden of the prosecution to prove intent. That standard is important and necessary to preserve the integrity of our nations secrets.

-Likewise, the need to move on from a politically sensitive subject is great. Even the majority of Trump's supporters would likely rather Trump get to work on improving the lives of Americans than prosecute the case against Hillary in a new Trump justice department. This mess was left by Obama's administ

I think the majority of Americans have become exhausted over the e-mail controversy. It will continue to become an issue, even if no legal action is taken, the media will keep the discussion alive, especially on slow news days. If Obama pardons Clinton, assuming that it could be proven she did something illegal, it would hopefully just put the whole issue to rest. That's what I hope for anyway, not that I would want her to get away with committing a crime, if that were the case. I just think that we can't afford to be distracted any longer and get back to economic and national security.

On that note, it was surreal watching Obama and Trump sitting next to each other in the Oval Office.

Nothing has to be proven in order for President Obama to issue Hillary a pardon. Precedent has been set when President Ford issued a Proclamation 4311 which stated:

" I, GERALD R. FORD, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

Note that a simple time period was stated that cleared Nixon of all crimes against the United States. Otherwise, I complete agree with your post. I was a Trump voter in Ohio and could not fathom voting for Clinton who seems to only take actions for her own convenience or enrichment. However, I would rather the Trump presidency be free from this me

Can I get a pardon? Ugh...

If your sentiment is that she doesn't deserve leniency, I share it. Unbelievable that she was able to go forward as a major party candidate for President in the midst of what appear to be clear violation of statute in regards to protecting national secrets and then compounded by her dishonesty surrounding the matter to the FBI, congress, and the American people that deserves a strong look into perjury charges. As much as I don't understand the loyalty of her voters through this process I also can't fathom the position of those who align with the ideology of the Democratic party and were left with sparse choices for that party's Presidential nomination. The choice between Hillary and Bernie seemed pretty sad and those few other options on the early debate stage were downright pathetic.

I wonder if Obama simply banked on Hillary winning the election and having her inherit and deal with this mess with her own justice department and ad

A concise and clear analysis of the situation. Well done.

I assume Obama will issue a blanket pardon to protect her from prosecution. And I also assume that her foundation will end up being broken up as it appears to be a direct slush fund for the Clinton's with the money being provided from foreign powers seeking influence.

Maybe trump will pardon Hillary Clinton instead, as if he does a lot of people would forgive him. It is kinda of unlikely though that it will happen.

No one can be sure of what is to happen, it does seem logical for Trump to pardon Hillary Clinton also.

I really hope the matter does not have to be solved by the Trump administration. I am so hopeful for what he could potentially accomplish and don't want any focus or distraction turned to Hillary's mess. Not only do I think an Obama pardon is more likely, if I were Trump I would see if some deal is possible to push for this in return for some negotiated exchange related to Obama's legacy. Remember that whoever does pardon her takes the political fallout. Far better that occurs at the end of Obama's presidency than the start of Trump's.

You heard it here first folks. My prediction is that the new softening of Trump's position on Obamacare is part of a negotiation to have Obama pardon Hillary. The highlight of that 15 minute meeting between Obama and Trump that turned to 90 minutes was all about this. The date is 11-13-2016. Some years later I will point to this post and say I predicted it all. I am a freakin genius.

You know, I thought it seemed odd that they had a 90 min conversation when it was intended to be only 10 min; an hour and a half is a long time to talk between two rivals that just spent two years throwing jabs at each other. Then right after, they seemed almost at ease and conciliatory. I think you're definitely on to something. This is probably the answer why; they just saved each other a lot of work and legacy. Obama spares Trump the headache of a Hillary indictment and Trump preserves some of his legacy. They both save face to. Bonus for Trump: he gets to show he is not 100% by the establishment Republican playbook by saving some of Obamacare. He's calling the shots now, not Mitch n Paul.

The 90 minutes was all about the HRC pardon. It's in the GOP's interest for HRC to face justice. She will take the whole party down with her during her trial. I am concerned that these nightly protests are a strategy the dems are using to pressure trump not to prosecute her. They are continuing, so trump has not agreed as yet. So, Aries you're partially right I think. Very well written as always.

One thing is certain; this is the beginning of the end of the Democrats and Republicans as we know it. Maybe splintering into factions. Reps- Ted Cruz Christian coalition, Donald Trump populist party, Ryan,Romney,McConnel- center right. Democrats- Bernie Sanders Democratic Socialists, then whoever survived any Clinton fallout, the center left liberals. Just a guess.

That would be a great idea. However the two so called parties have made it practically impossible to accomplish this.

In actuality we have a single party with two wings for appearances. The self appointed political elite hated Trump because he isn't a part of that system. The main reason I voted for him actually.

Then you have the social justice warriors. They'll follow anyone who shares their ideology.