An interesting thread.
@Jo: "Nothing is ever black and white." Nothing? Ever? Isn't that pretty absolutist, dogmatic, and extreme? "Most things aren't black and white" doesn't have that same ring of certainty, though.
@Wendy: I can't believe I agree with you on a social issue. You're not one of those returned players playing dress-up, are you?
@Smokes: Man, I'm impressed! I wish I could be in
your fed.
@Skandar: What makes Breivik a Christian? The fact that he was born in Norway? Why not just say that Norwegians can do good or bad, and call him a Scandinavian nut, instead of bringing your religious prejudices into it?
@Billy Bob etc: It's not the Republicans who are keeping people stupid. The large US cities with the worst education problems are almost invariably one-party Democrat towns,
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Jo Salkilld (Golden Rainbow)
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LOL Jojo. Ok, I'll amend my statement to read: nothing is ever black and white, other than those things that are clearly black and / or white. However, this isn't one of them
Smokes: guns don't kill people. People kill people. However, people with guns find it easier to kill people than those without.
If people find it more difficult (please note, I don't say 'impossible') to get guns, then it's more difficult to kill people with them. That doesn't mean they can't use other weapons, and we have an acknowledged problem here in the UK with knife crime. However, we do have fewer shootings here in the UK (and presumably Australia, Tom) than in the US. That's fewer shootings by civilians, and fewer shootings by police. However you look at it, the stats speak for themselves.
Sidenote: In the
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Tom Morgan (Kebir Blue)
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What I was trying to say about never winning a war against a government in the first world with guns is that you try and take on the US Government with a pistol. You would lose.
The Right to Bear Arms was an amendment to scare away the British and in today's society, its pretty useless.
Keeping the army in check by having guns in the civil population is an argument I cannot understand. The army has grenades, and missiles and tanks, of which a shotgun is useless against. Any rogue military force with fire power and training will easily defeat a farmer with a shotgun. Probably just as quicky as a British or Australian farmer with a pitch fork. Back in the 19th Century, it would have been far easier to fight against the army because everyone had the same weaponry. Today you don't see ordinary people flying Fighter Jets or using Missile Batteries. The army has far more power than any of you.
If there was an oppresive government in the US,
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Crafty (Kebir Blue)
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Hey, I have an idea!
You can have all the guns you want, but having ammo is punishable by death.
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Skandar (Little Upsilon)
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@Jojo T. Hun
Anders Breivik wanted to roll back the tide of multiculturalism in Europe, he feared the islamification of Europe and wanted to preserve a Christian Europe. His manifesto stated that he was "100 percent Christian" and a "modern-day crusader". He posted a picture of himself dressed as a Knight Templar officer (a medieval military Christian order).
My aim in bringing up Anders Breivik, was not to score points against religion. I simply wanted to point out that when a member of ANY group (religious, geographical, demographical) is involved in unsavoury acts, the remainder of the group is usually very quick in denouncing them as not a "true" X. I think it would be far better to accept that there are members of EVERY group that harbour slightly more extreme views than the average and encourage the group to challenge their views. This is far less likely to result in nutters going out & b
Skandar, I agree with your main points. I'm really objecting to your calling him a "religious nut". Searching on "was breivik a christian" I see some more quotes from his manifesto, where he claims he's "moderately religious", "not an excessively religious man", and that "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person". So why not call him a "not very religious nut"?
He says he wants "a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage". I can see calling him a Christian in the cultural sense, but not a Christian in the religious sense. So how about calling him a "cultural nut"?
In fact, unless you strongly identify as a cultural or religious Christian yourself, and thus are trying to assume blame for the guy, it seems that you're doing pretty much what you're blaming other groups for: disassociating yourself from the nut and paw
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Matt Patton (Golden Rainbow)
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so um what do we hunt with a bow
for my company onjly the sups and managers can touch the guns sorry female sups I can't help you
I misloades firearm = termination
yes US loves guns
now there is
the assault tommy BB gun
the assault AK47 BB gun
all available at Acad sports
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SirSmokesAlot (Fearless Blue)
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SirSmokesAlot (Fearless Blue)
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Oh and that a$$hole that went on that shooting spree in Norway was a freemason.
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Psycho_Honey (Golden Rainbow)
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LoL Jojo long time no see.... its me Hun.
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Matt Patton (Golden Rainbow)
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I think total prohib on all guns would be bad
as in beer prohib bad which did not last long
but prohib on military grad weapons yes
but BB assault is an alternative for those who like full auto and single shot hunting rifles
but yeah selling full auto regular bad idea
if they do get a full auto it is on the black market like dope
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Matt Patton (Golden Rainbow)
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and it was about the same time as the Great depression
Americans like their
booze
guns
and big vehicles
or cars with big block v8
I don't know how many times I've seen a humvee in a movie
probably the most popular vehicle in a movie
but recectly discontinued
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Matt Patton (Golden Rainbow)
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don't take away the alcohol, the guns or the v8 cars n trucks
even though so may get discontinued and come back latter like the Charger
even the Aussie cars are American based
they have US engines and are built like a US muscle car like some have the corvette engine
Are you an... IT, Patton?
I'll have to call the IT especialist Lorelei to be certain.
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Matt Patton (Golden Rainbow)
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no I'm a mlw who works for a company that sells guns
I can touch the ammo and the BB guns but can't touch the real ones
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Lorelei (White Giant)
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Laguna, I got a telepathic message from you that you needed my expertise opinion on a matter..... It brought me right here!
I have evaluated. Matt Patton has passed wif flying colors all the indicators for definite 'IT-dom'. lol
This is most serious. We have to advance in our efforts to control and annihilate thw IT infection. We must stop their propagation before it is too late!
Oh yes! A MUST! What to do???? What to do????